480W & 720W LED Grow - Land of Clovers
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ya their only a week only going on 2. all new growth is yellow
its not the tea their never got any at that time, but tea is around 70F
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u prob already been asked but have u checked ur soil ph?
spoke with a guy today who does all soil organic grows just feed the plant R/O water. he said whenever he gts yellowing growth, he sprinkles FF all purpose fert. comes in a box, i think he said it was 5-5-5. he just sprinkles it on top of his soil and continues to water and after a bit its all beauitiful green again. had the pleasure of smokin some of his stuff and it was very smelly and tastefull.
u prob already been asked but have u checked ur soil ph?
spoke with a guy today who does all soil organic grows just feed the plant R/O water. he said whenever he gts yellowing growth, he sprinkles FF all purpose fert. comes in a box, i think he said it was 5-5-5. he just sprinkles it on top of his soil and continues to water and after a bit its all beauitiful green again. had the pleasure of smokin some of his stuff and it was very smelly and tastefull.
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havent got to check the soil PH because their too small to water that much in 5 gal pots. i am just leaving them alone, i dont think the yellowing is from lack of food, its somthing els, its weired my soil PH is off on all the plants when all my other plants are using the same mix and water and no problems.
havent got to check the soil PH because their too small to water that much in 5 gal pots. i am just leaving them alone, i dont think the yellowing is from lack of food, its somthing els, its weired my soil PH is off on all the plants when all my other plants are using the same mix and water and no problems.
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Then grab one of those 5-15 dollar cheap soil pH probe things. It should be accurate enough to tell if you your soil is fairly bad one way or the other.
Then grab one of those 5-15 dollar cheap soil pH probe things. It should be accurate enough to tell if you your soil is fairly bad one way or the other.
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i had one of those and it did work at all, wasn't even close when i use it before. neither was the watering one.
i had one of those and it did work at all, wasn't even close when i use it before. neither was the watering one.
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ya u like that stuff? u cut it with perlite? thats stuff hold allot of water from what ive been told. i like the regular roots stuff. if i am going to repot i will just scrap these ones and start fresh.
ya the veins are still green. i am just going to give them XG tea, my friends plants were real bad and he gave it some and now their sexy as hell. worked very good for my Jacks in veg.
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what, hold alot of water, idk about that, for me, yes i did cut with perlite, not chunky tho
to much and to big bag, lol. but for me this stuff seems very airy and im havin to water every 2-3 days, from my other grows, i didnt have to water like this till near the start of flower, and ive had these nearly 2 weeks. seems like it does hold the water better when watering it but doesnt stay like that. for me. im liking this stuff so far, better than FF's.
Leaves are yellow or white, but the veins are mostly green. >> Iron (Fe) deficiency.
stinging nettles has tones of iron in it. find some, make a tea with it and try it! if u want!
what, hold alot of water, idk about that, for me, yes i did cut with perlite, not chunky tho
to much and to big bag, lol. but for me this stuff seems very airy and im havin to water every 2-3 days, from my other grows, i didnt have to water like this till near the start of flower, and ive had these nearly 2 weeks. seems like it does hold the water better when watering it but doesnt stay like that. for me. im liking this stuff so far, better than FF's.Leaves are yellow or white, but the veins are mostly green. >> Iron (Fe) deficiency.
stinging nettles has tones of iron in it. find some, make a tea with it and try it! if u want!
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na its not Iron.
Iron (Fe) Micro Nutrient and an Immobile element
Iron is an important component of the plants enzyme and is also important for the transportation of electrons while photosynthesis is happening...
Iron reacts with many of the components of nutrient solutions, which will cause a nutrient lockup to occur, If you add to much Iron without adding enough Phosphorus, you can contribute to a phosphorus deficiency , so watch out how much iron and phosphorus your nutrients have. The Leaves on the plant can turn a pale yellow along the growing shoots, while the veins remain dark green. When you have pH imbalance, it can make iron insoluble. The tissue between the veins becomes pale or white, kind of mimics the magnesium deficiency, but not yellow, iron has the white where the yellow would be on the magnesium deficiency. The deficiency starts with the lower and middle leaves, while the new leaves become completely lacking in chlorophyll, but with little or no necrotic spots. The chlorotic mottling on new leaves starts first near the bases of the leaflets, so the middle of the leaf appears to have a yellow mark. Iron is difficult for plants to absorb and moves really slowly in the plant.
Harder for outdoor plants to absorb when in hot weather. Parts affected by the Iron Deficiency are: Young leaves and Petioles.
To much Iron can cause a problem that looks like a PH imbalance, Brown spotting on the top leaves, mainly fan leaves. Can affect the whole plant. Iron Toxicity is rare for Ph below 5.5.
allot of people say its holds allot of water, Roots organic say the 707 is for a more water holding medium. might be just because ur feeding light? you got the huge bag of 707? i think next grow i am going with Roots organic soil.
what, hold alot of water, idk about that, for me, yes i did cut with perlite, not chunky tho
Leaves are yellow or white, but the veins are mostly green. >> Iron (Fe) deficiency.
stinging nettles has tones of iron in it. find some, make a tea with it and try it! if u want!
na its not Iron.
Iron (Fe) Micro Nutrient and an Immobile element
Iron is an important component of the plants enzyme and is also important for the transportation of electrons while photosynthesis is happening...
Iron reacts with many of the components of nutrient solutions, which will cause a nutrient lockup to occur, If you add to much Iron without adding enough Phosphorus, you can contribute to a phosphorus deficiency , so watch out how much iron and phosphorus your nutrients have. The Leaves on the plant can turn a pale yellow along the growing shoots, while the veins remain dark green. When you have pH imbalance, it can make iron insoluble. The tissue between the veins becomes pale or white, kind of mimics the magnesium deficiency, but not yellow, iron has the white where the yellow would be on the magnesium deficiency. The deficiency starts with the lower and middle leaves, while the new leaves become completely lacking in chlorophyll, but with little or no necrotic spots. The chlorotic mottling on new leaves starts first near the bases of the leaflets, so the middle of the leaf appears to have a yellow mark. Iron is difficult for plants to absorb and moves really slowly in the plant.
Harder for outdoor plants to absorb when in hot weather. Parts affected by the Iron Deficiency are: Young leaves and Petioles.
To much Iron can cause a problem that looks like a PH imbalance, Brown spotting on the top leaves, mainly fan leaves. Can affect the whole plant. Iron Toxicity is rare for Ph below 5.5.
allot of people say its holds allot of water, Roots organic say the 707 is for a more water holding medium. might be just because ur feeding light? you got the huge bag of 707? i think next grow i am going with Roots organic soil.
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im feeding the same as always 1 litre a pot. ya got the big bag of it. with my white rhino i added 1 hand full of FF HF - 10 hand fulls roots. might be adopting 1 or 2 crystal chunk plants from a guy here. dunno if ill have room tho for them. be nice tho.
i think next time i want to try the vermiculite soil, lil more expensive then roots but heard great things about it. the roots EWC is hella expansive, lol.
im feeding the same as always 1 litre a pot. ya got the big bag of it. with my white rhino i added 1 hand full of FF HF - 10 hand fulls roots. might be adopting 1 or 2 crystal chunk plants from a guy here. dunno if ill have room tho for them. be nice tho.
i think next time i want to try the vermiculite soil, lil more expensive then roots but heard great things about it. the roots EWC is hella expansive, lol.
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What about just pulling a handful or two of the soil from the 5 gallon pots and run a quick test on that.... Just to maybe get a snapshot of the PH... It just sounds like something is being locked out, every time I see it I think PH.... I just wish we could rule that out.
The Roots 707 was made for outdoor plants, it holds water longer and has food added.. I know people that use it with no problems.. Just add some perlite.
What about just pulling a handful or two of the soil from the 5 gallon pots and run a quick test on that.... Just to maybe get a snapshot of the PH... It just sounds like something is being locked out, every time I see it I think PH.... I just wish we could rule that out.
The Roots 707 was made for outdoor plants, it holds water longer and has food added.. I know people that use it with no problems.. Just add some perlite.
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no shit!! much love bro that sounds good. that should work.
no shit!! much love bro that sounds good. that should work.
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ok tried a few hand full on the medium in a cup watered it and tested run off. i tried a few different PH's
Tap water PH 7.4-7.5= Run off PH 7.0
Tap water PH=6.2-6.3= Run off PH 6.8
filtered water witch ive been using PH8.0-8.5= Run off PH 6.8
ok tried a few hand full on the medium in a cup watered it and tested run off. i tried a few different PH's
Tap water PH 7.4-7.5= Run off PH 7.0
Tap water PH=6.2-6.3= Run off PH 6.8
filtered water witch ive been using PH8.0-8.5= Run off PH 6.8
re: 480W & 720W Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers
looks like you are High( hahahahahahaha, no pun intended.. well, maybe a little bit). You look to be in the low 7's somewhere......
looks like you are High( hahahahahahaha, no pun intended.. well, maybe a little bit). You look to be in the low 7's somewhere......
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its crazy that SS#4 PH is high? i am worried if i adjust it and when the DL in it stops working my PH is going to crash hard. kinda like how you were saying after 2 weeks the PH drops fast. any suggestions?
looks like you are High( hahahahahahaha, no pun intended.. well, maybe a little bit). You look to be in the low 7's somewhere......
its crazy that SS#4 PH is high? i am worried if i adjust it and when the DL in it stops working my PH is going to crash hard. kinda like how you were saying after 2 weeks the PH drops fast. any suggestions?
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I would say for now to try to correct the PH through watering. Maybe PH your feeds/water down into the low 6's for a week or two and see if there is any improvement. Once the SS starts to drop let her drop down and when she hits low to mid 6's you should be able to keep it near where you want it with dolomite..
Did you amend the SS with anything? Mine dropped so quick I just can't imagine anyone having a high PH with it... All of my plants that I potted in SS are keeping me busy trying to keep them stabilized. The ones I added lime to are hanging in there...
Like with everything when we change things up it take some getting used to.... Try not to get frustrated, this hard work and all the knowledge you are gaining will hep out in the long run.... Heck, you are actually making me use my brain or what little is left of it.....
If you go back to chems you should leave one organic plant that you can work with, just never know, it may just hit ya.... You are doing a great job Irish... You are bringing lots of new things to the table... Hang in there...
I would say for now to try to correct the PH through watering. Maybe PH your feeds/water down into the low 6's for a week or two and see if there is any improvement. Once the SS starts to drop let her drop down and when she hits low to mid 6's you should be able to keep it near where you want it with dolomite..
Did you amend the SS with anything? Mine dropped so quick I just can't imagine anyone having a high PH with it... All of my plants that I potted in SS are keeping me busy trying to keep them stabilized. The ones I added lime to are hanging in there...
Like with everything when we change things up it take some getting used to.... Try not to get frustrated, this hard work and all the knowledge you are gaining will hep out in the long run.... Heck, you are actually making me use my brain or what little is left of it.....
If you go back to chems you should leave one organic plant that you can work with, just never know, it may just hit ya.... You are doing a great job Irish... You are bringing lots of new things to the table... Hang in there...
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thats some motivation!!
i added a hand full of EWC to each pot with a hand full of Humus and some of that Mykos 30. its weird the PH is 7.0 on SS i dont get it? its has to be either the EWC or Humus? because my jacks got the same batch of SS and same water with Mykos30 and their fine and ive never PH my water. not one problem or bad looking leaf in veg.
the micro life should kick in and adjust things like they did to my jacks. i am really trying hard not to use any PH down because its going to thin out my hurd, but seems i might not have any choice. as of right now i want to leave them alone and see how their drinking?
ive never had any trouble with SS ive been growing in it for years, so not sure whats going on? it has to be the additives i put in my soil? because its the same stuff the JH are in and shit was great until mid bloom.
so you think Roots is allot more stable then ur SS? whats the PH usually on the roots for you? i really want to stick with organics and play around and learn other trade. if they keep getting worse i am going to pull them and start fresh with maybe Roots? i dont really want to waist time. going to talk to a frend and see if they have any cuttings i can snag. i know they had romulan ,Casey Jones and Chocolope. so i might start fresh.
how long would you say roots supply's food for? 3 weeks?
I would say for now to try to correct the PH through watering. Maybe PH your feeds/water down into the low 6's for a week or two and see if there is any improvement. Once the SS starts to drop let her drop down and when she hits low to mid 6's you should be able to keep it near where you want it with dolomite..
Did you amend the SS with anything? Mine dropped so quick I just can't imagine anyone having a high PH with it... All of my plants that I potted in SS are keeping me busy trying to keep them stabilized. The ones I added lime to are hanging in there...
Like with everything when we change things up it take some getting used to.... Try not to get frustrated, this hard work and all the knowledge you are gaining will hep out in the long run.... Heck, you are actually making me use my brain or what little is left of it.....
If you go back to chems you should leave one organic plant that you can work with, just never know, it may just hit ya.... You are doing a great job Irish... You are bringing lots of new things to the table... Hang in there...
thats some motivation!!
i added a hand full of EWC to each pot with a hand full of Humus and some of that Mykos 30. its weird the PH is 7.0 on SS i dont get it? its has to be either the EWC or Humus? because my jacks got the same batch of SS and same water with Mykos30 and their fine and ive never PH my water. not one problem or bad looking leaf in veg.
the micro life should kick in and adjust things like they did to my jacks. i am really trying hard not to use any PH down because its going to thin out my hurd, but seems i might not have any choice. as of right now i want to leave them alone and see how their drinking?
ive never had any trouble with SS ive been growing in it for years, so not sure whats going on? it has to be the additives i put in my soil? because its the same stuff the JH are in and shit was great until mid bloom.
so you think Roots is allot more stable then ur SS? whats the PH usually on the roots for you? i really want to stick with organics and play around and learn other trade. if they keep getting worse i am going to pull them and start fresh with maybe Roots? i dont really want to waist time. going to talk to a frend and see if they have any cuttings i can snag. i know they had romulan ,Casey Jones and Chocolope. so i might start fresh.
how long would you say roots supply's food for? 3 weeks?
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Don't give up on organic growing, Irish. It's actually easier once you get it wired.
Around here, the organic growers fall into two categories:
One group uses organic fertilizer in the water.
The other group (mostly me) builds up the soil and uses mostly straight water with a few additives here and there.
I'm pretty much the only guy amongst my circle of growers who concentrates on the soil.
The key, from what I've been able to read and learn, is to build the soil, which will be very acidic. You stabilize/buffer that with DL. This mixture must "cook" for 30 days or so in order for it to work. The DL take time to work. Also, things must be mixed VERY thoroughly, or you get hot spots in the soil....and those hot spots can be 2 gallons wide if you mix up several bags.
Since I pretty much specialize in unsolicited advice, why not try this: (use in bottom half of pot only)
Roots
tomato tone
bone meal
greensand
worm castings
compost
micronutes
humic acid conditioner
DL
Epsom salt.
The ratio's are in my journal somewhere. It works like magic for about 2 months, then you need to feed. Use a bigger pot, like 7 gallons, and you don't need to feed at all.
Don't give up on organic growing, Irish. It's actually easier once you get it wired.
Around here, the organic growers fall into two categories:
One group uses organic fertilizer in the water.
The other group (mostly me) builds up the soil and uses mostly straight water with a few additives here and there.
I'm pretty much the only guy amongst my circle of growers who concentrates on the soil.
The key, from what I've been able to read and learn, is to build the soil, which will be very acidic. You stabilize/buffer that with DL. This mixture must "cook" for 30 days or so in order for it to work. The DL take time to work. Also, things must be mixed VERY thoroughly, or you get hot spots in the soil....and those hot spots can be 2 gallons wide if you mix up several bags.
Since I pretty much specialize in unsolicited advice, why not try this: (use in bottom half of pot only)
Roots
tomato tone
bone meal
greensand
worm castings
compost
micronutes
humic acid conditioner
DL
Epsom salt.
The ratio's are in my journal somewhere. It works like magic for about 2 months, then you need to feed. Use a bigger pot, like 7 gallons, and you don't need to feed at all.