480W & 720W LED Grow - Land of Clovers

[Nine Leafer]

re: 480W & 720W Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

The specs of these newer models read very nicely. Can't wait to see what you can do with them IrishBoy!

 

[go green]

re: 480W & 720W Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

thats why i traded out my 600w for the 300's for that reason i get more foot print and more adjust-ability. the smaller units are better then the bigger units IMO.

I did this also! Good advice from Irish...

I have had 3 reports of the wire coming out of a panel so i had to get something stronger plus they are much easier to fix or replace now.

I have been off the forums so I missed the discussion on the new panels. Ill get back tomorrow and see if i can clear some things up.

I had this incident happen to me, and was 1 of the 3, I presume. It's a company that fixes their flaws, and continues to improve on their product that keeps me coming back. Great job, Mike. Good business savvy.


Loving those Jacks Irish!!! They rock bro! Much respect!

-Go

 

[IrishBoy]

re: 480W & 720W Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

I was thinking of purchasing a single 720 unit but now I am reconsidering.
I have a 4' L X 4' W X 8' H closet that I currently run a 600W HPS.
Heat and energy savings are my main reason for wanting to upgrade.
Maybe Mike can guide a noob in making his first LED purchase?

i think for sure the 600w unit isn't a good match for ur area. i think four 180's would be great and be around the same price as the 600w unit. you would have a perfect square with the four 180's to cover that 4x4 area real nice. thats my game plan

The specs of these newer models read very nicely. Can't wait to see what you can do with them IrishBoy!

me either bro

I did this also! Good advice from Irish...



I had this incident happen to me, and was 1 of the 3, I presume. It's a company that fixes their flaws, and continues to improve on their product that keeps me coming back. Great job, Mike. Good business savvy.


Loving those Jacks Irish!!! They rock bro! Much respect!

-Go

jacks are doing great. makes me want to go full organics now witch i just might do. never seen plants so happy

 

[IrishBoy]

re: 480W & 720W Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

I wanted to let you know today i made a change to my DM red Casey Jones 180w girls. i am going to start feeding them Budswell for blooming. its organic teas that has earth worm castings, Kelp, Seabird/Bat Guano. looking to try to add more organics into my plants, the only thing i added thats not organic this grow was the DM red and cal/mag. now they will be fed Budswell, Green Fuse, and sucanat

 

[jdizzle22]

re: 480W & 720W Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

I wanted to let you know today i made a change to my DM red Casey Jones 180w girls. i am going to start feeding them Budswell for blooming. its organic teas that has earth worm castings, Kelp, Seabird/Bat Guano. looking to try to add more organics into my plants, the only thing i added thats not organic this grow was the DM red and cal/mag. now they will be fed Budswell, Green Fuse, and sucanat

Organic nutes are to plants as organic foods are to humans. We provide them with everything they could ever need and they live a great life. Then they die and provide us with organic buds that we can use to feed ourselves and give us a better life. Its the circle of life?

Darn I was hoping Mike would get back to us by my bedtime tonight haha LED grow lights are fing here! And I want to know everything about these awesome lights!

Hey Irish boy, how many days would you guess until harvest time on this grow?

 

[IrishBoy]

re: 480W & 720W Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

Organic nutes are to plants as organic foods are to humans. We provide them with everything they could ever need and they live a great life. Then they die and provide us with organic buds that we can use to feed ourselves and give us a better life. Its the circle of life?

Darn I was hoping Mike would get back to us by my bedtime tonight haha LED grow lights are fing here! And I want to know everything about these awesome lights!

Hey Irish boy, how many days would you guess until harvest time on this grow?

yup organics are some good stuff.

i have a while until harvest i am only on 3 weeks on a 10 weeks strain.

 

[IrishBoy]

re: 480W & 720W Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

Heres my CJ on mid way threw 3 weeks flowering.

i am starting to have some trouble and i am thinking its a IRON problem? it got real cold one night with lights off and temps got around 55F* because my heater did not got on, ive fixed the temp problem but my plants are getting yellow on the newer sugar leafs. most of it on the top growth. thinking its a Iron problem. not sure whats causing it i have plenty of irion in the soil and the PH range for iron is wide, thinking i have too much P maybe and its locking it out?

 

[Nine Leafer]

re: 480W & 720W Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

I remember you saying something about not pH'ing your water recently. Maybe this could be causing it, just a guess? Here are two things I found relevant to your yellowing, both point to high pH/lockout. Let me know what you think.

Zinc

Zinc plays a roll in the same enzyme functions as manganese and magnesium. More than eighty enzymes contain tightly bound zinc essential for their function. Zinc participates in chlorophyll formation and helps prevent chlorophyll destruction. Carbonic anhydrate has been found to be specifically activated by zinc.

Zinc Deficiencies

Deficiencies appear as chlorosis in the inter-veinal areas of new leaves producing a banding appearance as seen in figure 18. This may be accompany reduction of leaf size and a shortening between internodes. Leaf margins are often distorted or wrinkled. Branch terminals of fruit will die back in severe cases.

Also gets locked out due to high pH. Zn, Fe, and Mn deficiencies often occur together, and are usually from a high pH. Don't overdo the micro-nutrients- lower the pH if that's the problem so the nutrients become available. Foliar feed if the plant looks real bad. Use chelated zinc. Zinc deficiency produces "little leaf" in many species, especially woody ones; the younger leaves are distinctly smaller than normal. Zinc defeciency may also produce "rosetting"; the stem fails to elongate behind the growing tip, so that the terminal leaves become tightly bunched.

Zinc Toxicity

Excess Zinc is extremely toxic and will cause rapid death. Excess zinc interferes with iron causing chlorosis from iron deficiency. Excess will cause sensitive plants to become chlorotic.

Iron

Iron is an important component of plant enzyme systems for electron transport to carry electrons during photosynthesis and terminal respiration. It is a catalyst for chlorophyll production and is required for nitrate and sulfate reduction and assimilation.

Iron (Fe) deficiency

Pronounced interveinal chlorosis similar to that caused by magnesium deficiency but on the younger leaves.

Leaves exhibit chlorosis (yellowing) of the leaves mainly between the veins, starting with the lower and middle leaves.

Caused by factors that interfere with iron absorption of roots: over irrigation, excessive soluble salts, inadequate drainage, pests, high substrate pH, or nematodes. This is easily corrected by adding an iron supplement with the next watering.

Fe is unavailable to plants when the pH of the water or soil is too high. If deficient, lower the pH to about 6.5 (for rockwool, about 5.7), and check that you're not adding too much P, which can lock up Fe. Use iron that's chelated for maximum availability. Read your fertilizer's ingredients - chelated iron might read something like "iron EDTA". To much Fe without adding enough P can cause a P-deficiency.

Note that when adding iron to the solution, it is often necessary to not use fertilizer for that watering. Iron has a tendency of reacting with many of the components of fertilizer solutions, and will cause nutrient lockup to occur. Read the labels of both the iron supplement and the fertilizer you are using before you attempt to combine the two.

Iron Toxicity

Excess accumulation is rare but could cause bronzing or tiny brown spots on leaf surface.

 

[lbezphil2005]

re: 480W & 720W Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

sorry i did see ur edit until right now.

maybe the higher leds run hotter and their for they dont last as long? IDK? Mike knows more then me and i am sure he has a real good reason why he using them instead?

i dont think the 180's are less quality then the 300's just less intense from lack of leds, but it seems to me that two 180's would be more intense because u have more watts and ur plants will be more in the core foot print of the unit instead of the light spread from the sides. i cant tell you for sure because ive never grown with the 180's but i think if things turn out good i will change out my 300's for 4 180's. I will put it like this, if i were to buy one 300w i would buy two 180's instead.

as far as ur LST deal with one plant i think you would be better off just doing a Scrog (screen of green) i think it would be allot less work and yield great for you.

i have two 180's CJ plants and i have two 300's Jack Herer i just say 180w tent or 300w girls so every one knows what unit i am using/showing on those plants.

my 180's are the new 2011 models and my 300's are the older model, i didnt want to change them out until i can see what the 180's can do.

Irishboy, have you ever checked the temps right at the fixture? laid my temp gauge right on the back of the light, temps measured 101. just over 1" away, dropped off to 94, my room with no ventilation, just the cracks around the doors, only gets (now) to 91 max. Just curious to how much heat the 180's and 300's use. My light uses over 600 watts, maybe why the temps are a little higher?

 

[Setting Sun]

re: 480W & 720W Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

Looks like a zinc deficiency.

Get some Liquinox iron plus zinc, should fix it right up.

 

[IrishBoy]

re: 480W & 720W Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

I remember you saying something about not pH'ing your water recently. Maybe this could be causing it, just a guess? Here are two things I found relevant to your yellowing, both point to high pH/lockout. Let me know what you think.

i was thinking it from the soil mix staying too wet, since it sucks for draining, or its the high P in the DM Red? its also dosent have Zinc in the DM red. great info you posted, thanks allot brother

Irishboy, have you ever checked the temps right at the fixture? laid my temp gauge right on the back of the light, temps measured 101. just over 1" away, dropped off to 94, my room with no ventilation, just the cracks around the doors, only gets (now) to 91 max. Just curious to how much heat the 180's and 300's use. My light uses over 600 watts, maybe why the temps are a little higher?

yup used my IR temp thingy. 180w ran at 83F and my 300w with the glass out ran at 113F

Looks like a zinc deficiency.

Get some Liquinox iron plus zinc, should fix it right up.

u think its a zinic instead of Iron?

could be because i should have plenty of Iron in their with the DM red and the Cal/mag+. DM has like 0.20% and cal/mag+ has 0.1% all chelated.

and guess what? the DM Red dosent have any Zinc, any stuff you know how that just has Zinc and know Iron? dont want to over do the Iron

 

[Doc Bud]

re: 480W & 720W Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

I agree with Setting Sun:

Zinc and iron def's go together. Liquinox or Ironite will put things right.
Oh....zinc is really important stuff. If your ferts don't have it, bury a few galvanized nails in the pots, or supplement with Ironite or Liquinox. I've used both with great success.

 

[IrishBoy]

re: 480W & 720W Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

I agree with Setting Sun:

Zinc and iron def's go together. Liquinox or Ironite will put things right.
Oh....zinc is really important stuff. If your ferts don't have it, bury a few galvanized nails in the pots, or supplement with Ironite or Liquinox. I've used both with great success.

very nice post! thanks!!

I was thinking of burying some nails but wasnt sure if that really works?
i will look into both of those products, thanks allot.

 

[Dexter4Morgan]

re: 480W & 720W Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

home depot has Ironite in like 4-5 pound bags like $10 its enough to last you years

Doc can you over do the iron if using ironite and cal/mag plus with iron in it ?

 

[IrishBoy]

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any one know how many nails i should bury in 5gal pots? just stick/push them in the top of the soil?

This is a Check for DM Red!

This is why i am loving my organic XG grow not one problem and the easiest grow ive ever done. i truly think something special is going to happen with those Jacks. Last night i checked the girls and their getting packed with resin at 2 weeks, so much resin i thought it was mold at 1st.lol. if things turn out good on this grow i am going to switch over to xtreme gardening products on all my grows.

 

[go green]

re: 480W & 720W Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

Nails contain coatings known to the state of California to cause birth defects, cancer...

Depends on how anal you are about the chemicals you encounter.

 

[NuhNugz]

re: 480W & 720W Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

Nails contain coatings known to the state of California to cause birth defects, cancer...

Depends on how anal you are about the chemicals you encounter.

So doesn't the sun ..and the air you breathe, cellphone towers, cellphones, tv, microwaves, car exhaust ... and blackened fish/beef/poultry/pork.

I dunno if id want the nails in my growing medium ... while releasing the elements you need ..they also have a bi-product called rust...yes even galvanized items rust.

 

[IrishBoy]

re: 480W & 720W Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

Nails contain coatings known to the state of California to cause birth defects, cancer...

Depends on how anal you are about the chemicals you encounter.

So doesn't the sun ..and the air you breathe, cellphone towers, cellphones, tv, microwaves, car exhaust ... and blackened fish/beef/poultry/pork.

I dunno if id want the nails in my growing medium ... while releasing the elements you need ..they also have a bi-product called rust...yes even galvanized items rust.

very good point. i know allot of things cause problems but i will try to avoid them all i can.

I am wondering if i feed my girls some of that Xtreme tea from xtreme gardening would help them? IDK whats in it but my Jacks dont have one problem. might be something that could help them.

 

[Be Irie]

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Looking good Irish...... I am loving all the good info and the great vibe around this place... I would recommend earth Juice microblast, it might be a good addition to your feed... Good to see you are enjoying the organics, and the best is yet to come....

 

[jdizzle22]

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Unless those nails are organic I wouldn't put them in for fear of any problems the rust and coating of the metal might do to the roots/plant and microlife.