480W & 720W LED Grow - Land of Clovers

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There is one piece of information i completely forgot to clarify regarding my new panels and the 2w chips, my panels use actually and truly use a mixture of 3w and 2w single ships.

2w chips are used in two of the 5 Blue wavelengths in the deep Blue spectrum and one Red wavelength out of the six in the far red.

The four remaining wavelengths in the blue are single 3w chips and the remaining five wavelengths in the red are single 3w chips and last but not least the soft white leds that use wavelengths geared towards flowering use single 3w chips.

Of course each individual led is not powered to the max, blue and white range at about 1.87w and reds in the 1.27w range. Some info I thought you guys should know.
 
re: 480W & 720W Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

Looks like some fresh R&D paired with Irish Boy's amazing grow results and reputations! You guys got a good thing going.
 
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I've been following these growledhydro journals for a couple months now. Very impressive stuff, I will be definitely buying one of these new 2011 models.

For Irishboy
Question 1: Do the new 2011 models have the same dimensions?
Question 2: Do you think I would be better off with a single '300' in a 2.5ft x 2.5ft x 6ft space or with 2 of the '180' units? (If I go with a 300 I plan on having its ends point to corners of the tent so it lays diagonally, or getting a device that will slowly rotate it 90 degrees one way and then back 90 degrees)
 
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middleeez said:
Looks like some fresh R&D paired with Irish Boy's amazing grow results and reputations! You guys got a good thing going.
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ive always been lucky with all of the different led company's ive tested to get free lights. bought my 1st led light years ago witch was a 90w ufo then after that ive had a few company's donate their led lights for me to test out and show you guys. kinda worked out for me like that, until some of those company's didnt add up to what they were claiming and i call them out on it and i made some enemies.lol . guess they thought i would lie for them because they gave me free lights, but they were dead wrong.
Qazz said:
Nice thread! :P

I'm wondering how much those new 2011 lights worth? 8)
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not sure you would have to ask the owner
jdizzle22 said:
I've been following these growledhydro journals for a couple months now. Very impressive stuff, I will be definitely buying one of these new 2011 models.

For Irishboy
Question 1: Do the new 2011 models have the same dimensions?
Question 2: Do you think I would be better off with a single '300' in a 2.5ft x 2.5ft x 6ft space or with 2 of the '180' units? (If I go with a 300 I plan on having its ends point to corners of the tent so it lays diagonally, or getting a device that will slowly rotate it 90 degrees one way and then back 90 degrees)
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the 180w new model is a little smaller then the old one from what i seen. maybe 2" or around their, foot print seems to be the same if not better?

i think two 180's might do better because you get more watts. but ive only really seen the 300's in that size or bigger area and they did great. I cant really say how the 180's will do because this is my 1st time using them. i do like the option of the 180's.

i think it all comes down to how many plants ur doing and if their will be a mix of strains? say if you have different strains then the 180w would be good IMO because they might grow different heights and you can adjust each light for each plant. but like i said IDK because ive never used the 180's

I dont think the whole 90 degree rotation thing is really needed IMO.

if the 180's meet my need on this grow i will be swapping my 300's out for 4 180's and do a grow like that. i like the options i could have with the 180's for each stage in the growth and more foot print for the same price. but IDK how the penetration between each light is going to effect the end yield? thinking the 180's will be good because u get more watts more foot print their for keep the lights closer to the plants. but thats just my theory
 
re: 480W & 720W Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

GrowLEDHydro said:
Hello everyone I see irish posted the new lights I sent him and your all probably wondering whats new with these so here you go.

Whats new:

2w single chip led's from Epistar and Cree

Higher quality cooling fans

Patented heat sink

More refined spectrum

Higher quality power supplies

Stronger hanger hooks

Eliminated the PCB board, LED's are directly on the heat sink for greater efficiency

Fail safe technology, if one led goes out only that LED stays out and can be easily replaced


Basically I just took my 2010 panels and researched over the past year on how can I improve them. I had to find a perfect mix of led's, wavelengths and power and at the same time keeping the heat levels either the same or lower than the current ones. I knew I wanted to get more intensity out of my lights but without having to use less led's at higher watts which in turn will raise the operating heat of my panels and take away the ratio of wavelengths. I had the option of going with the 3w/3 chip, 3w single chip, 2w 2 chip or 2w single chip and at the end the 2w led chips came out on top.

The 2w led's allowed me to get enough of the wavelengths I wanted in a panel at the right ratios and intensity with a 90 degree angle lens. The new led's are running closer to two full watts depending on the wavelength unlike my 3w 3 chip that was running at 1w to 1.5w per led because of led integrity issues.

The new models are as follows:

Spectra LED 150w
(100pcs 2w led) True Power 153.29W

Spectra LED 240w
(160pcs 2w led) True Power:239.66W

Spectra LED 395w
(252pcs 2w led) True Power:395.32W

I have a lot more detailed information coming out on these new panels once they get back from the light laboratory I sent them to which will be a few weeks. If theirs any questions please let me know and I will try and answer them to the best of my ability.
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No pun intended but wouldnt it be better to run the 3 watt single chip diodes at the same power your running the 2 watt @ Your taylored spectrum.From my readings it seems they pute out more light when you run the diode under its full wattage.With the cree white diodes they are pretty bright and should be good @ 2 watt but iffy on the rest.And also I was un aware that the diodes were not allready placed in a heat sink?Your previouse units IMO were in a class of their own with the broad spectrum.They work very well.Are the new lights going to carry and cover the same light waves as the older models...Aw man mike just when I thought my led purchasing stresses were over lol....I am just kidding thow:)I am sure they will work you have a good understanding of what looks right..I only wish I would have know about your lights before I made my purchase.Shopping for leds was a very time consuming and stressfull experience.My next purchase will be one of your lights for sure man...:blunt:
 
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turttle said:
No pun intended but wouldnt it be better to run the 3 watt single chip diodes at the same power your running the 2 watt @ Your taylored spectrum.From my readings it seems they pute out more light when you run the diode under its full wattage.With the cree white diodes they are pretty bright and should be good @ 2 watt but iffy on the rest.And also I was un aware that the diodes were not allready placed in a heat sink?Your previouse units IMO were in a class of their own with the broad spectrum.They work very well.Are the new lights going to carry and cover the same light waves as the older models...Aw man mike just when I thought my led purchasing stresses were over lol....I am just kidding thow:)I am sure they will work you have a good understanding of what looks right..I only wish I would have know about your lights before I made my purchase.Shopping for leds was a very time consuming and stressfull experience.My next purchase will be one of your lights for sure man...:blunt:
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Perhaps it's more efficient to run them at 2w. Perhaps there were only limited choices in LED spectral outputs for 3W's vs the 2W's.

Only my guess.

-Go
 
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go green said:
Perhaps it's more efficient to run them at 2w. Perhaps there were only limited choices in LED spectral outputs for 3W's vs the 2W's.

Only my guess.

-Go
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thats a good point, ive been told u can only get certain colors in certain watts. not sure if that is why? maybe the 2w also put off less heat? not to sure why he did them that way? i am sure he had a good reason for it?
 
re: 480W & 720W Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

go green said:
Perhaps it's more efficient to run them at 2w. Perhaps there were only limited choices in LED spectral outputs for 3W's vs the 2W's.

Only my guess.

-Go
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Limited spectra was the reason, as I understand it.
 
re: 480W & 720W Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

IrishBoy said:
from what i understand is the higher watt leds the less color you can get. or els mike would probably have 5-10w leds.lol.. so i am thinking their are certain colors he wanted he couldn't get with the 3w maybe? makes sense to me.
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Yep, that's exactly the reason. There were more choices in 2w to fill out his spectral profile. I love the look of these panels, and I'm sure that results will pan out.

You seeing any difference in the girls since you switched to the new panels, Irish?
 
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Yes I agree.But you can run a 3 watt diode with 2 watt diodes but would half to run them @ 1.5 watts or you would half to run 2 sepperate power supplies of 2.5 watts to 3 watt quality made diodes and 1.5 to run the 2 watt diodes.You cant run led at there peak power they run to hot and loose light outpute.And also currently there is no led diode that will run over 3 watts with out degragation.Just a little thinking out loude.I like his lights just need a little clarification sounds like a forced complete remodel.But in any case much respect for mike just a little curve ball I am sure they will work out.Same parts my led are made of thow but mine is 3 watt and 2 watt cree which is the reason for my suspision.

Well darn LOL.You allready have one of these units irish..How do they relate to the older units is it brighter with same wave leangths?I noticed he said he did upgrade power supply heatsink and fail safe which is really neet but how does she look as far as light outpute compare to the older units.
 
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turttle said:
Yes I agree.But you can run a 3 watt diode with 2 watt diodes but would half to run them @ 1.5 watts or you would half to run 2 sepperate power supplies of 2.5 watts to 3 watt quality made diodes and 1.5 to run the 2 watt diodes.You cant run led at there peak power they run to hot and loose light outpute.And also currently there is no led diode that will run over 3 watts with out degragation.Just a little thinking out loude.I like his lights just need a little clarification sounds like a forced complete remodel.But in any case much respect for mike just a little curve ball I am sure they will work out.Same parts my led are made of thow but mine is 3 watt and 2 watt cree which is the reason for my suspision.

Well darn LOL.You allready have one of these units irish..How do they relate to the older units is it brighter with same wave leangths?I noticed he said he did upgrade power supply heatsink and fail safe which is really neet but how does she look as far as light outpute compare to the older units.
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not sure on the reasons why i have no idea?

the light compared to the older ones seems to run cooler, and the light might be more intense or it could be the different more whiter/crisp its a different looking light out put to me. it could be brighter or it could just be the color making them look brighter? i am just going to go threw with this grow and see what happens? i know the girls are getting frosty as hell but just could be the strain?

when i had them side x side in my tent i couldn't see the new light any less intense. just looks allot cleaner and crisp with the new color it puts out. i like the fact i can now see if any problems are going to happen without having to turn off the light.

time will tell how this new light dose for me, but i would perfer/rather see it on a side x side to know exactly what the difference is. hard to say when ive never used the 180w models before, never grown this strain, never used the soil mix before and never really tested out the DM red enough to know if its truly great. so allot of things that effects the judgement of the new lights on my current grow.

i have no idea the 2w or any of the reasonings, never really asked just took the lights and threw them up in one of my rooms to check out his new tech.
 
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I believe hes said that one major reason he runs some at lower watts because it makes less heat and/or prolongs their life/prevents failure of lights.

I hadn't thought of the advantage of 2 180s allowing you to grow plants of different height. That is something to think about. I guess I'm really wondering Irishboy if you know if the quality of the 180s light is any less than the 300s (is it lower quality and less intense, or just not as strong from lack of lights (and them being further from each other). Or well... considering what I just said, do you still think 2 180s would generally be better for my 2.5ft x 2.5ft x 6ft GL80 than a 300?

I would think that two 180s would be better in my space if I was going to say LST the stem of a single plant by just laying it down to a wall and then along it, and then around until it went all the way around and would hit itself, and then continue to go around until it ended near the center of the tent. Would you agree with that? (I'm hungry and medicated so it was tough to explain that haha).
 
re: 480W & 720W Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

jdizzle22 said:
I believe hes said that one major reason he runs some at lower watts because it makes less heat and/or prolongs their life/prevents failure of lights.
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not sure if driving lower watts leds prolongs their life? i can see them being cooler though. but to be honest i dont know too much about leds and what different whats life line.
 
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Day 14 of flower Jack Herer in the 300w room

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Did you get my update to my last post?

Anyway I think he said with certain colors like the reds, they degrade quickly. So to combat that he runs them at a lower wattage so they degrade more slowly.

Also I haven't read this whole thread, why is there pics of a 300 grow when this is about a 480 and 720? And what about the 2 180s? I'm so confused! lol

OH.... Are you running two 180s and two 300s?
 
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