480W & 720W LED Grow - Land of Clovers

[IrishBoy]

re: 480W & 720W Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

Did you get my update to my last post?

Anyway I think he said with certain colors like the reds, they degrade quickly. So to combat that he runs them at a lower wattage so they degrade more slowly.

Also I haven't read this whole thread, why is there pics of a 300 grow when this is about a 480 and 720? And what about the 2 180s? I'm so confused! lol

OH.... Are you running two 180s and two 300s?

sorry i did see ur edit until right now.

maybe the higher leds run hotter and their for they dont last as long? IDK? Mike knows more then me and i am sure he has a real good reason why he using them instead?

i dont think the 180's are less quality then the 300's just less intense from lack of leds, but it seems to me that two 180's would be more intense because u have more watts and ur plants will be more in the core foot print of the unit instead of the light spread from the sides. i cant tell you for sure because ive never grown with the 180's but i think if things turn out good i will change out my 300's for 4 180's. I will put it like this, if i were to buy one 300w i would buy two 180's instead.

as far as ur LST deal with one plant i think you would be better off just doing a Scrog (screen of green) i think it would be allot less work and yield great for you.

i have two 180's CJ plants and i have two 300's Jack Herer i just say 180w tent or 300w girls so every one knows what unit i am using/showing on those plants.

my 180's are the new 2011 models and my 300's are the older model, i didnt want to change them out until i can see what the 180's can do.

 

[turttle]

re: 480W & 720W Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

Sorry about that Irish I think I created a little confeusion.In any case I am looking forward to see how they perform.All that truely matters is that they work.Do these new models still have the 11 bandwidth.

Ow and wholey shizzle my nizzle them jacks are growing fast.Looking good Irish.

 

[krillerkoala]

re: 480W & 720W Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

Lookin good Irish!!!
But now I've got a question... I was sitting here caring for my ladies, and somewhere in my hours of daydreaming, it occurred to me that these panels are made from red and blue (for the most part at least) and now that ive come to see your thread, you guys are talking about the REDS being lower wattage, therefore extending their lifetime, but since red is the shortest color on the spectrum for light penetration, wouldnt that mean that the RED light that the plants are recieving is not only less powerful, but does not reach as far?


For example:
at 1 foot, you are receiving blue and red light, red is going to be slightly less due to the fact that it does not travel as far, and it is underpowered... But what happens when you move farther out? Im not sure how far the drop off is for the color red, but there has to be some sort of dramatic effect at distances, as led's do not penetrate fantastically already.

So my question is, does the blue light travel much farther/stronger than the red? and if so, could that account for the deficiencies people previously reported during the flower stage? as having the light at the same distance would not produce the same results once the lights switched, because the plant was looking for the other LED's which did not quite travel as far.

 

[IrishBoy]

re: 480W & 720W Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

Sorry about that Irish I think I created a little confeusion.In any case I am looking forward to see how they perform.All that truely matters is that they work.Do these new models still have the 11 bandwidth.

Ow and wholey shizzle my nizzle them jacks are growing fast.Looking good Irish.

No worries bro all very valid questions you asked. glad u asked them.

IDK if their still the 11 bandwith or what? i know very little about these new lights. i just hope they do better then the older models because that would be very cool because i know the old units kicked ass, so for them to do better it would really kick ass.

The Jack have grow big and fast, remember they started after my Casey Jones these girls seems to just love the Xtreme Gardening organics, very healthy and lots of growth with a huge stalk. cant wait to see the root system when done.

Lookin good Irish!!!
But now I've got a question... I was sitting here caring for my ladies, and somewhere in my hours of daydreaming, it occurred to me that these panels are made from red and blue (for the most part at least) and now that ive come to see your thread, you guys are talking about the REDS being lower wattage, therefore extending their lifetime, but since red is the shortest color on the spectrum for light penetration, wouldnt that mean that the RED light that the plants are recieving is not only less powerful, but does not reach as far?


For example:
at 1 foot, you are receiving blue and red light, red is going to be slightly less due to the fact that it does not travel as far, and it is underpowered... But what happens when you move farther out? Im not sure how far the drop off is for the color red, but there has to be some sort of dramatic effect at distances, as led's do not penetrate fantastically already.

So my question is, does the blue light travel much farther/stronger than the red? and if so, could that account for the deficiencies people previously reported during the flower stage? as having the light at the same distance would not produce the same results once the lights switched, because the plant was looking for the other LED's which did not quite travel as far.

Not sure what color travels less then others? ive read that some do indeed though. but i think its the same as the old model as how much watt's their driven? so i would think its the same as the old model unless if he added more red to these ones then it should be better in flowering.

not sure about the leds creating def problems in flowering? ive only had problem because either A my PH was off or i wasn't feeding them those Micro nutes. i have no Def problems on this grow. i am not sure what light has on effect on def problems?

i think after 2' the red falls out over the blue if i remember right? Maybe this is why mike is still using 3w on his red leds? i think the IR travels the less out of the reds witch i dont think you want a lot of any way.

 

[krillerkoala]

re: 480W & 720W Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

Oh and just saw the pics of the new light!! the LED's definitely look to be of higher quality (at least in comparison to mine) buuuuuuut that case and mounting hooks.... man you led manufacturers must have the same supplier, as they now look IDENTICAL to mine, but only with 6 fans up top, opposed to the 8 on my 600W.

I will say right now too that i am not a fan of this system for mounting, 1 it takes up waaaaaay too much space above the light IMO...These things don't heat up too much, so vertical clearance shouldn't be an issue. AS for the hooks, the 6 skinny wires make me so damn nervous!! i have nightmares of one snapping in the middle of the night, swinging that end of the 30 pound LED down towards a plant, as it swings over my entire garden, coming to a crash on my baby clones at the end Its also very easy to not have them on the hook evenly, or even through the eye holes backwards, which prevents from all the weight being evenly distributed.

I would love to see some sort of hanging system (optional even, hell id pay) that looks slightly more secure, and also removes some of that clearance, as the whole point of LED's is not only stealth, but efficiency of the space you have.

Other than that, mad props on the improvements, I am looking at expanding my lights as i am absolutely astonished with the results, and i cant even imagine what high quality LED's can do!

 

[krillerkoala]

re: 480W & 720W Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

No worries bro all very valid questions you asked. glad u asked them.

IDK if their still the 11 bandwith or what? i know very little about these new lights. i just hope they do better then the older models because that would be very cool because i know the old units kicked ass, so for them to do better it would really kick ass.

The Jack have grow big and fast, remember they started after my Casey Jones these girls seems to just love the Xtreme Gardening organics, very healthy and lots of growth with a huge stalk. cant wait to see the root system when done.




Not sure what color travels less then others? ive read that some do indeed though. but i think its the same as the old model as how much watt's their driven? so i would think its the same as the old model unless if he added more red to these ones then it should be better in flowering.

not sure about the leds creating def problems in flowering? ive only had problem because either A my PH was off or i wasn't feeding them those Micro nutes. i have no Def problems on this grow. i am not sure what light has on effect on def problems?

i think after 2' the red falls out over the blue if i remember right?

Oh ok, thats what i was wondering, where it falls off and only the blue is effective. The deficiency i was talking about tho was the lack of RED light, which is mostly used during flower, so if i left my panel at 2 feet and had great veg, i could ultimately have no flower at the same distance?

 

[IrishBoy]

re: 480W & 720W Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

Lookin good Irish!!!
But now I've got a question... I was sitting here caring for my ladies, and somewhere in my hours of daydreaming, it occurred to me that these panels are made from red and blue (for the most part at least) and now that ive come to see your thread, you guys are talking about the REDS being lower wattage, therefore extending their lifetime, but since red is the shortest color on the spectrum for light penetration, wouldnt that mean that the RED light that the plants are recieving is not only less powerful, but does not reach as far?


For example:
at 1 foot, you are receiving blue and red light, red is going to be slightly less due to the fact that it does not travel as far, and it is underpowered... But what happens when you move farther out? Im not sure how far the drop off is for the color red, but there has to be some sort of dramatic effect at distances, as led's do not penetrate fantastically already.

So my question is, does the blue light travel much farther/stronger than the red? and if so, could that account for the deficiencies people previously reported during the flower stage? as having the light at the same distance would not produce the same results once the lights switched, because the plant was looking for the other LED's which did not quite travel as far.

Oh and just saw the pics of the new light!! the LED's definitely look to be of higher quality (at least in comparison to mine) buuuuuuut that case and mounting hooks.... man you led manufacturers must have the same supplier, as they now look IDENTICAL to mine, but only with 6 fans up top, opposed to the 8 on my 600W.

I will say right now too that i am not a fan of this system for mounting, 1 it takes up waaaaaay too much space above the light IMO...These things don't heat up too much, so vertical clearance shouldn't be an issue. AS for the hooks, the 6 skinny wires make me so damn nervous!! i have nightmares of one snapping in the middle of the night, swinging that end of the 30 pound LED down towards a plant, as it swings over my entire garden, coming to a crash on my baby clones at the end Its also very easy to not have them on the hook evenly, or even through the eye holes backwards, which prevents from all the weight being evenly distributed.

I would love to see some sort of hanging system (optional even, hell id pay) that looks slightly more secure, and also removes some of that clearance, as the whole point of LED's is not only stealth, but efficiency of the space you have.

Other than that, mad props on the improvements, I am looking at expanding my lights as i am absolutely astonished with the results, and i cant even imagine what high quality LED's can do!

i like these hooks allot better and they are only 1/4" maybe tall so i cant see that taking up too much space? maybe ur are taller?

the old style hooks worried me and if one did break you are SOL and would have to take the while top of the led apart to fix it. wasnt a fan of those at all.

as far as 6 fans on my 180w compared to 8 fans on a 600w i would say the 180w has allot more colling because it has more fans for the amount of watts/leds.

you dont need that intense light to veg plants but in order to get solid buds you do, this is why you want ur lights closer to ur plants in flower. I am sure the color travel play a little effect into this but i think its mainly having more intense light is needed to grow solid buds just like with any HID light. i also do know for sure if that the correct distance the red falls out or even if it travels less then the blue? i just know some colors travel less and remember reading something about 2'

 

[jdizzle22]

re: 480W & 720W Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

Yeah after taking a closer look at the 2011 model pics I think I will be getting two 240w*(180 model) instead of a 395w*(300 model). Looking at those pics... For my horizontal space of 2.5ft x 2.5ft I would definitely rather have 2 lower watt units taking up all but maybe a 2 inch perimeter than a single unit with huge coverage gaps on the side. Plus having two lesser watt units have more light output than a single greater watt unit.

Man now that is going to cost more money though! I hope I can get 2 of the mid-range 2011 models cheap enough so I don't have to wait another 2-4 weeks after my tax refund

Hmm the number of... domes? On the top 2 2011 units is 200 and 252 for a difference of 52. And yet they have a 92 pcs difference. What is pcs? Is that the total amount of watts put into LEDs?

 

[krillerkoala]

re: 480W & 720W Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

i like these hooks allot better and they are only 1/4" maybe tall so i cant see that taking up too much space? maybe ur are taller?

the old style hooks worried me and if one did break you are SOL and would have to take the while top of the led apart to fix it. wasnt a fan of those at all.

as far as 6 fans on my 180w compared to 8 fans on a 600w i would say the 180w has allot more colling because it has more fans for the amount of watts/leds.

you dont need that intense light to veg plants but in order to get solid buds you do, this is why you want ur lights closer to ur plants in flower. I am sure the color travel play a little effect into this but i think its mainly having more intense light is needed to grow solid buds just like with any HID light. i also do know for sure if that the correct distance the red falls out or even if it travels less then the blue? i just know some colors travel less and remember reading something about 2'

Oh the hooks on the light itself are nice, but the wires that connect the golden eye rings to whatever you are hanging from are a foot long... I haven't been able to figure out another way to hang them closer to the ceiling. The cooling is more than enough tho!! i wish there'd be less fans (for the plants heat sake, not the LED's) lol

but the reason i bring that up, is to cover a larger area, you have to bring the lights higher, and when you flower, the tops dont magically come closer together, so you still have to cover just as large of an area, but now if you need to be closer, suddenly you can only light part of your plants as intensely and the other parts around the sides get left without the light.

 

[IrishBoy]

re: 480W & 720W Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

Yeah after taking a closer look at the 2011 model pics I think I will be getting two 240w*(180 model) instead of a 395w*(300 model). Looking at those pics... For my horizontal space of 2.5ft x 2.5ft I would definitely rather have 2 lower watt units taking up all but maybe a 2 inch perimeter than a single unit with huge coverage gaps on the side. Plus having two lesser watt units have more light output than a single greater watt unit.

Man now that is going to cost more money though! I hope I can get 2 of the mid-range 2011 models cheap enough so I don't have to wait another 2-4 weeks after my tax refund

Hmm the number of... domes? On the top 2 2011 units is 200 and 252 for a difference of 52. And yet they have a 92 pcs difference. What is pcs? Is that the total number of actual LEDs within all the domes?

sound like a smart choice.
I thought two 180's were the same price as one 300w?

Mike was offering a discount for every grower that ordered a light from watching my threads if you told him that ur a follower of my journals, maybe he is still offering that discount? aks him and see what he says? let me know also because i am curios?

 

[IrishBoy]

re: 480W & 720W Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

Oh the hooks on the light itself are nice, but the wires that connect the golden eye rings to whatever you are hanging from are a foot long... I haven't been able to figure out another way to hang them closer to the ceiling. The cooling is more than enough tho!! i wish there'd be less fans (for the plants heat sake, not the LED's) lol

but the reason i bring that up, is to cover a larger area, you have to bring the lights higher, and when you flower, the tops dont magically come closer together, so you still have to cover just as large of an area, but now if you need to be closer, suddenly you can only light part of your plants as intensely and the other parts around the sides get left without the light.

thats why i traded out my 600w for the 300's for that reason i get more foot print and more adjust-ability. the smaller units are better then the bigger units IMO.

 

[jdizzle22]

re: 480W & 720W Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

Yeah I think as long as the space has room for more do that instead of a single superior LED. If my space had been 6inches shorter on each side I wouldn't be able to fit more than one unit. Plus if you aren't growing many plants like me, you can get away with using less power with a single smaller unit until they are big enough plants to warrant the second unit!

 

[GrowLEDHydro]

re: 480W & 720W Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

rock on Mike!


are the stronger mounting points on the new panels due to any failures of the mounts in the older panels, or just beefed-up as part of the new box design?

I have had 3 reports of the wire coming out of a panel so i had to get something stronger plus they are much easier to fix or replace now.

I have been off the forums so I missed the discussion on the new panels. Ill get back tomorrow and see if i can clear some things up.

 

[jdizzle22]

re: 480W & 720W Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

I have had 3 reports of the wire coming out of a panel so i had to get something stronger plus they are much easier to fix or replace now.

I have been off the forums so I missed the discussion on the new panels. Ill get back tomorrow and see if i can clear some things up.

Say what are the exact width and length dimensions of your mid 240w lights? My 30 inches by 30 inches is pretty tight. If these things are 15 inches wide or more I don't think I could fit 2 in my tent

 

[IrishBoy]

re: 480W & 720W Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

Say what are the exact width and length dimensions of your mid 240w lights? My 30 inches by 30 inches is pretty tight. If these things are 15 inches wide or more I don't think I could fit 2 in my tent

i just measured mine for you bro. 17"1/4" long and 11" wide

 

[jdizzle22]

re: 480W & 720W Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

i just measured mine for you bro. 17"1/4" long and 11" wide

Sweet thanks! Now if only my tent had been another 3 or 4 inches wider and I could have fit 3 of em in there (although that would be a bit over kill haha). I can't wait to start using one of these awesome lights. I think for my first grow with them I will let the plants grow with minimal (if any) training and trimming since I can raise/lower one of the lights for the taller plants. Then for my second grow with these lights I will try using only one plant and going for a SCROG or an LST job.

Do you guys have any experience with SCROG? I know about letting the main grow tip to grow up a few inches before pulling it under the screen... But what about all the secondary branches? Do I just continue to do the same thing with them every time they grow up a few inches? Then what about all the branches that grow up off of the branches growing off the main stem? How do I know at what point to stop? I imagine that I should train the main grow tip as well as the first branches coming off that main tip/stem but not the branches that grow off the branches growing off the main tip/stem... ? lol Sorry for going off topic in this thread.

PS: Hey mike what would you say the difference in canopy penetrating power is between your '180' and '300' units is?

PSS: For mike and/or irishboy
Do you think two of the 240w lights put off as much heat as a 400w HPS? Now I just realized that maybe I will need to go with a single higher watt light because that should run cooler than 2 (and #1 reason I'm buying LED is because of the lower temps). With my crappy exhaust on my hps (normal PC fan) sucking air out of the sealed HPS ducting & reflector from atop the tent, the ambient temp seems to always run about 10 degrees higher than that of the room its in (there is also my 130cfm carbon filter). What temps do you guys think I might get running a single 395 Spectra vs two 240w Spectras?

PSSS: Crap am I hijacking this thread? Sorry!

 

[IrishBoy]

re: 480W & 720W Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

Sweet thanks! Now if only my tent had been another 3 or 4 inches wider and I could have fit 3 of em in there (although that would be a bit over kill haha). I can't wait to start using one of these awesome lights. I think for my first grow with them I will let the plants grow with minimal (if any) training and trimming since I can raise/lower one of the lights for the taller plants. Then for my second grow with these lights I will try using only one plant and going for a SCROG or an LST job.

Do you guys have any experience with SCROG? I know about letting the main grow tip to grow up a few inches before pulling it under the screen... But what about all the secondary branches? Do I just continue to do the same thing with them every time they grow up a few inches? Then what about all the branches that grow up off of the branches growing off the main stem? How do I know at what point to stop? I imagine that I should train the main grow tip as well as the first branches coming off that main tip/stem but not the branches that grow off the branches growing off the main tip/stem... ? lol Sorry for going off topic in this thread.

PS: Hey mike what would you say the difference in canopy penetrating power is between your '180' and '300' units is?

PSS: For mike and/or irishboy
Do you think two of the 240w lights put off as much heat as a 400w HPS? Now I just realized that maybe I will need to go with a single higher watt light because that should run cooler than 2 (and #1 reason I'm buying LED is because of the lower temps)

just keep pulling all the branches under the until its fills up then flower those girls. its best if you know ur strain and how much it stretches. search Google their are a ton of pics showing step x step how how to do it.

now the 240w will run cooler, because on SS side x side his 360w ran cooler then his 400w hps. now i dont know how two 180's? i would still say they run cooler. mine dont seem to run to hot. but it is also freezing cold here.lol

no worries ur not hi-jacking this thread, this is what my threads are for bro. ask away! Knowledge is power

 

[jdizzle22]

re: 480W & 720W Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

Thanks, I'm always coming up with questions I didn't think of or forgot to ask. Normally that is bad enough but I'm also so excited and anxious (in a good way) about these Spectras that I'm having a hard time figuring out and deciding which ones I want.

There are a ton of advantages to getting two 240w units instead of a 395w. And so I sent some questions to the growledhydro site about getting two 240s. But just a moment ago I realized that my tent temps might not be any better with 2 LED lights and that would negate the most significant factor in my decision to switch to LED in the first place. So now I'm not sure if I want two lesser lights or a single superior light, I'll probably end up getting the two. Because with all their advantages, even if they ran the tent as hot as my HPS (10 degrees F above my room temp) I think they would still be worth it.

Anyway... Any news on this grow? Or what you plan to do with your new 2011 models?

 

[IrishBoy]

re: 480W & 720W Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

Thanks, I'm always coming up with questions I didn't think of or forgot to ask. Normally that is bad enough but I'm also so excited and anxious (in a good way) about these Spectras that I'm having a hard time figuring out and deciding which ones I want.

There are a ton of advantages to getting two 240w units instead of a 395w. And so I sent some questions to the growledhydro site about getting two 240s. But just a moment ago I realized that my tent temps might not be any better with 2 LED lights and that would negate the most significant factor in my decision to switch to LED in the first place. So now I'm not sure if I want two lesser lights or a single superior light, I'll probably end up getting the two. Because with all their advantages, even if they ran the tent as hot as my HPS (10 degrees F above my room temp) I think they would still be worth it.

Anyway... Any news on this grow? Or what you plan to do with your new 2011 models?

my gut tells me maybe the 300w model might run cooler? not sure though maybe the 300w models heat up the inside more and their for put off more heat? maybe Mike would be able to help you more?

by the way i just talk to Mike and the reason why he went with a couple of leds in the 2w rang is because their were wavelengths that were not out until recently and their only available in 2w leds. so basically certain colors are only available in certain watt leds.

my girls dont seem to mind the new lights one bit their happy as can be. i just plain to use my new 180's and see if i want to keep my 300's or just swap everything out for the 180's? having all 1802's could help me allot

 

[wkpjr1967]

re: 480W & 720W Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

I was thinking of purchasing a single 720 unit but now I am reconsidering.
I have a 4' L X 4' W X 8' H closet that I currently run a 600W HPS.
Heat and energy savings are my main reason for wanting to upgrade.
Maybe Mike can guide a noob in making his first LED purchase?