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re: Irish Boy's - 480W & 720w Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

Pool and spa test strip. Depends on what your testing for bro? You can go to the local hardware store and likely pick up a water quality test. I know of a couple different company's.

Culligan makes one, and another one I cant remember the name. You have a local hardware type strore? True-value? Ace? Ma and pop shop

-Go
 
re: Irish Boy's - 480W & 720w Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

I couldn't fix my tap water, it's way too hard and alkaline, so I've started collecting rainwater off the roof. It has a ppm of 25, and with the addition of cal-mag, the ladies absolutely love it.

I wanted bad to be able to use my tap water, but in retrospect, I can now see why I had some of the problems I had in past grows when I was using it, even in soil.

It's around 250ppm, mostly calcium, and even soil can't buffer it well.

If I was growing on a larger scale, I'd set up a more professional rainwater collection system with maybe an underground tank, but for now, a couple of rain barrels will hold enough until the next rainy season.

I prefer using rainwater to RO or distilled. It has some nitrogen in it, and my plants just seem to respond best to it, but RO with cal-mag works great too.

I still wish I could use tap, because it keeps things simple, but the rain barrels will be just as easy and simple once I get them set up on cinder blocks so the spigots are off the ground high enough to put a bucket under them.

Now thats botanicle and veary educated information.:bravo:
The best way to test your water is with a water quality test kit.It will come with everthing you need to check your water for bacteria led clorine ph n stuff.You can also look on ebay for salt water tank omni filters pretty cheep to soften water up.I purchased just a 0ppm filter for about 15 dallars and riged it to my faucet.
 
re: Irish Boy's - 480W & 720w Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

what should i look for mainly in the chart?

Its best to check it your self.You cant trust those guys.LOL they problubly test the water at city hall and call it good.But I have seen people light there water on fire and the city says there water is fine:peace:
 
re: Irish Boy's - 480W & 720w Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

thanks guys! I guess to the hardware store IB !! i needed to go their today anyways for grow supply's. are the test kits allot of money?

HD has pool test kit/strips on sale for 10 bucks. That will tell you the Total Alkalinity... the pH part is pretty bogus. If your TA is under 80, I'd use that water.

I've got well water, but our town water has a pH over 9, but it sounds like the nute co. has that factored, somehow???
 
re: Irish Boy's - 480W & 720w Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

HD has pool test kit/strips on sale for 10 bucks. That will tell you the Total Alkalinity... the pH part is pretty bogus. If your TA is under 80, I'd use that water.

I've got well water, but our town water has a pH over 9, but it sounds like the nute co. has that factored, somehow???

Thank you sir!
 
re: Irish Boy's - 480W & 720w Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

you want to look for sodium, calcium, magnesium, and total alkalinity. My city reports the numbers as a range of min/max, and an average, but since they source our water from more than one source and blend them in different ratios throughout the year, the water report is meaningless and so are the results from using a test kit.

The numbers I get today may not be what I get tomorrow, so first find out where your city sources its tap water and how consistent it is.
 
re: Irish Boy's - 480W & 720w Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

you want to look for sodium, calcium, magnesium, and total alkalinity. My city reports the numbers as a range of min/max, and an average, but since they source our water from more than one source and blend them in different ratios throughout the year, the water report is meaningless and so are the results from using a test kit.

The numbers I get today may not be what I get tomorrow, so first find out where your city sources its tap water and how consistent it is.

these are the AVERAGE results

Sodium 47ppm

it dosent show Ca or mag or TA. has all kinds of other stuff like TDS, screw it ive been feeding my plants this for a while and its done good for me so far with my buds.
 
re: Irish Boy's - 480W & 720w Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

seaweed question

on the Maxicorp package they say 1 oz to a gallon of water. I believe you guys mentioned 1 tablespoon to a gallon. why the difference ? or did I miss read what somewhat wrote
 
re: Irish Boy's - 480W & 720w Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

I've been using the liquid Maxicrop, and the label says two capfuls per gallon of water once weekly.

A capful is about 2.5 Tbsp.

I usually use it at 1/2 strength, so only use one capful per gallon.

Not sure we got exactly the same stuff though, so be careful.
 
re: Irish Boy's - 480W & 720w Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

I've been using the liquid Maxicrop, and the label says two capfuls per gallon of water once weekly.

A capful is about 2.5 Tbsp.

I usually use it at 1/2 strength, so only use one capful per gallon.

Not sure we got exactly the same stuff though, so be careful.

I got the gallon liquid too

2 Tbsp is equal to an ounce
 
re: Irish Boy's - 480W & 720w Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

I've been using the liquid Maxicrop, and the label says two capfuls per gallon of water once weekly.

A capful is about 2.5 Tbsp.

I usually use it at 1/2 strength, so only use one capful per gallon.

Not sure we got exactly the same stuff though, so be careful.

I picked up some Maxicrop yesterday. Bunch of other choices, but the chlorine pushed me to buy. I've heard a small amount is a good thing, and I use distilled water.

Watered with some last night, and tonight there was a visible perkitude to the nubile buds... but, it was a little chiily, too :)
 
re: Irish Boy's - 480W & 720w Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

well, then I would just keep on truckin' on ;)


mi casa es su casa, pero mi agua no es su agua ;)
Eso es Una Buena foto!
mi mala hierba es su mala hierba y la maleza es su mala hierba


seaweed question

on the Maxicorp package they say 1 oz to a gallon of water. I believe you guys mentioned 1 tablespoon to a gallon. why the difference ? or did I miss read what somewhat wrote

every company is different, like the Bio Weed i use it only says to use 1/2tsp per gallon.

the trick is to use only sea weed only with sprouting seeds or baby clones and not liquid food if growing in good organic soil. plants grow allot better if we dont over feed them, good organic soil and sea weed should last you threw the whole veg stage with no liquid food added. this dose not apply for hydro of course.

seaweed and fish meal and Sucanat are a must. Fish meal just stinks real bad so allot of people dont use it.

Sucanat is the key and it will save you a ton of money give u super frosty buds that are a little fatter and give you smoke that taste like caramel. Ive been study Cannabis cup growers and breeders the last week and seeing what they use. Do you think they use AN or GH? No! they use organics and stuff like Sucanat. these are some of the best weeds around to, these guys know how to get good quality. my Favorite is (Subcool) he post tons of info and tricks about growing. Super soil is next on my list Google it.

Here is him talking about Sucanat

I have gotten an overwhelming response with questions on sucanat and I find myself writing the same thing over and over.
So what I have done is compile some information for you to sift through and I give the amounts to use. So with what information Im giving you here should answer your questions good enough for you to make an informed decision.

Sucanat (which is a concatenation of Sugar Cane Natural) is non-refined cane sugar that has not had the molasses removed from it like refined white sugar. It is essentially pure dried sugar cane juice. The juice is extracted by mechanical processes.[1]

Sucanat is generally accepted as a substitute for brown sugar. Unlike regular brown sugar, sucanat is grainy instead of crystalline.

"More importantly, Sucanat supplemented herb has an aroma and flavor all its own. It won't cover up the natural smell of your plants, but it'll add an extra richness and flavor to the strain. Some varieties that I've seen grown with Sucanat take on the flavor so much that they smell like carmel candy when you break up a bud. Joints rolled with Sucanat-grown ganja taste delicious all the way down to last ember burning against your fingertip. Bong hits linger on your tongue for hours, and even a quick hit off a pipe during lunch break becomes a momentary orgasm of sweet, savory goodness as the smoke rolls of your lips."

We all know that white sugar is like the devil. It's got zero nutritional value and rots our teeth. It also makes us feel crappy when we eat it because it makes our blood sugar level spike up and then come crashing down. Imagine what it does to our poor plants.

Have you heard of Sucanat? It stands for Sugar Cane Natural. It's sugar in its most natural form - pure cane juice with only the water removed. This process preserves all the vitamin-filled molasses. It's organically grown with no added preservatives or additives.

Sucanut can be used in place of white sugar or brown sugar when baking, and adds a wonderful flavor due to the molasses. Unlike refined white sugar, Sucanat contains iron, calcium, vitamin A, vitamin B6, potassium and chromium. So you will also be getting nutritional value when you smoke your herb.

Look for Sucanat in the baking aisle at your local health food store. It's a little bit more expensive than refined white sugar, but you're paying for the extra vitamins. Try it next time you bake some cookies or muffins. It can also be used to sweeten sauces and marinades, adds a wonderful flavor to your weed due to the molasses. Unlike refined white sugar, Sucanat contains iron, calcium, vitamin A, vitamin B6, potassium and chromium.adds a wonderful flavor due to the molasses.

use two tbs per gallon, it gives it carbohydrates which the plant has to make to photosynthesize, so it lightens the work load on the plant and all the extra carbs can be used to build bud, and you also get the benefit of the enhanced flavor of the weed.

If you are using another type of carboload then only use one tbs per gallon
 
re: Irish Boy's - 480W & 720w Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

IB,

Sucanat sounds similar to this stuff a guy named Bone Carver likes:

Panela
Panela is an accepted product worldwide and is known by many names such as- Chancaca, Raspadura, Piloncillo, Panela, Panocha..
Chancaca Panela is raw, unrefined, non-centrifugal cane sugar. ccbol

Jaggery, being a wholesome sugar, without doubt is rich in the vitally important mineral salts: 2.8 grams per 100 grams, that is to say 28 grams per kilogram, while only 300 milligrams per kilogram is found in refined sugar.- Magnesium strengthens the nervous system & potassium is vital to conserve the acid balance in the cells and combats acids and acetone. Jaggery is very rich in iron, which, a composite of hemoglobin prevents anemia. - Manufacture of sugar from cane juice employs a potpourri of chemicals-as sulphur dioxide, lime, phosphoric acid, bleaching agents & viscosity reducers. Jaggery is processed the natural way & no chemicals are added at any stage of its processing.
Why have sugar when you can have Panela??....pure, wholesome,

there is many sources of riboflavin in nature, one of them is Panela - concentrated, crystalized sugar cane juice.

Phytopathology - 90(8):801 - Abstract

The role of riboflavin as an elicitor of systemic resistance and an activator of a novel signaling process in plants was demonstrated. Following treatment with riboflavin, Arabidopsis thaliana developed systemic resistance to Peronospora parasitica and Pseudomonas syringae pv. Tomato, and tobacco developed systemic resistance to Tobacco mosaic virus (TMV) and Alternaria alternata. Riboflavin, at concentrations necessary for resistance induction, did not cause cell death in plants or directly affect growth of the culturable pathogens. Riboflavin induced expression of pathogenesis-related (PR) genes in the plants, suggesting its ability to trigger a signal transduction pathway that leads to systemic resistance. Both the protein kinase inhibitor K252a and mutation in the NIM1/NPR1 gene which controls transcription of defense genes, impaired responsiveness to riboflavin. In contrast, riboflavin induced resistance and PR gene expression in NahG plants, which fail to accumulate salicylic acid (SA). Thus, riboflavin-induced resistance requires protein kinase signaling mechanisms and a functional NIM1/NPR1 gene, but not accumulation of SA. Riboflavin is an elicitor of systemic resistance, and it triggers resistance signal transduction in a distinct manner.

Additional keywords: protein kinase cascade, systemic acquired resistance.
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DE CAMBIL’S WHOLE CANE SUGAR NUTRITIONAL FACTS
COMPONENT / COMPONENTE
% VALUE
Humidity / Humedad
6.38%
Fat / Grasa
0.10%
Protein / Proteínas
0.42%
Ash / Cenizas
1.24%
Fiber / Fibra
0
Carbohydrate / Carbohidratos
91.86%
MINERALS / MINERALES mg. / 100 gr.
Calcium / Calcio
80.00
Phosphorus / Fósforo
60.00
Iron / Hierro
2.40
VITAMINS / VITAMINAS mg. / 100 gr.
B1 Vitamin / Vitamina B1
0.02
Riboflavin / Riboflavina
0.07
Niacin / Niacina
0.30
Ascorbic Acid / Acido Ascórbico
3.00
Energy / Calories / 100 gr.
370.00


I haven't found it yet, but I haven't hit any tiendas :)
 
re: Irish Boy's - 480W & 720w Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

Yep. I've been reading all the same stuff you're posting here, Irishboy.

The soil I used for my blackberry....the wicked purple, frosty stuff I posted pics of....that was basically Subcool's soil, fortified with a bit of OC+, because I was growing in pots less than half of what Subcool recommends for volume.

And the taste is really special. I'm using molasses, however, not sucanat.
Hydro for yield, organic soil for quality.
 
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