480W & 720W LED Grow - Land of Clovers

re: Irish Boy's - 480W & 720w Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

I vote for going with whatever seems like a good idea at the time. There might be one combination that gives better yield but I don't think there will be one that gives a crappy yield.
good answer:thumb:
If you want to compare ferts, do 2 and 2, but if you're mostly after yield and/or quality, and you feel one would do better, then go with that for all 4.

Grow bags seem to work fine for lots of growers.

The small 1/2gal and 1gal sizes are great for sog because they're narrow and ummmmmmmmm, bags, lol, so you can cram them in.

The larger ones seem to work great also from what I've seen, so I don't see any reason why it's not a good idea.

I've read that adding a layer of hydroton at the bottom helps with drainage and stability. Sounds like a good idea to me.

i think i might go with 2 and 2 just because i know DM will work for sure. i haven't seen any grows on these forums using Mykos so i dont think i am willing to put everything on the table just yet.

I was considering adding the compost tea to the DM also to keep things more fair and just see how the TRF's work only, the only thing i am not sure about is mixing organics with synthetic of the DM. but i am also thinking since the DM puts out so little nutes that i might be ok? i am also wondering if i should no PH the DM also and see what happens? IDK what i should do? its going to be a pain in the ass feeding two different ways instead of just one tub. I am just thinking if any of this stuff should be added to the DM also?

i went and checked out the grow bags and their cheap on the price and had allot of drain hole, but at the end i just got plastic 5 gal pots because i only needed 2 of them at the end because i had two already left over. the only thing what i didnt like about the 5gal grow bags was that they didnt seem like they would be as stable and allot herder to LST them in. if i was going to do a larger grow then i would for sure buy those instead of pots.
 
re: Irish Boy's - 480W & 720w Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

The bags are "tippier" than regular pots.

I didn't like that about my 2-gal square rose pots, but I guess that's the price for the smaller footprint.

I'm curious about the air pots with all the holes.

It's more work for sure to keep two different feeding schedules, but that's gotta be your call.

Maybe after the trials and tribulations of the last grow, albeit with a great harvest, you might want to do a more conventional and relaxing grow?
























nah ;)
 
re: Irish Boy's - 480W & 720w Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

Not sure I read far back enouph.For an organic grow using soil I would consider something that would really fill the area and give roots the room to grow.I think something cheep and easy would be to use storage containers.Normally I would use a garbage can but indoor hight could be an problem.A 10-18 gallon storage container seem to be in my opinion to give the most root space given the amount of grow space.:MoreNutes:
 
re: Irish Boy's - 480W & 720w Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

The bags are "tippier" than regular pots.

I didn't like that about my 2-gal square rose pots, but I guess that's the price for the smaller footprint.

I'm curious about the air pots with all the holes.

It's more work for sure to keep two different feeding schedules, but that's gotta be your call.

Maybe after the trials and tribulations of the last grow, albeit with a great harvest, you might want to do a more conventional and relaxing grow?
























nah ;)

it would be nice to have a grow with all the same ferts. plus i have been wanting to try organic nutes. my friends say to just use the one product and see how i like it? but my thinking is it would be nice to have a few plants to compare them to.

i have always though organics produce allot less yield though? but i dont really know? i would hate to use all of their products and get shitty yield. but at least i have a tent with all DM plants to back things up.

ive always wanted to use airports but they are very pricey.

if it were u would u use both or just the Mykos stuff? not in a side x side aspect but just trying it out
 
re: Irish Boy's - 480W & 720w Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

Irish!

I vote for this

" TWO ORGANIC MYKOS STUFF AND 2 PLANTS USING THEIR SYNTHETIC trf WITCH IS A 12-10-10 NPK AND NO DM PURPLE/RED TRF's "

For sure bro! Then we can see what this company is all about, and the differences between sythetic and organic buds, Irishboy style!

-Go
 
re: Irish Boy's - 480W & 720w Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

It's more work for sure to keep two different feeding schedules, but that's gotta be your call.

Maybe after the trials and tribulations of the last grow, albeit with a great harvest, you might want to do a more conventional and relaxing grow?


nah ;)

I agree . :MoreNutes::MoreNutes:
 
re: Irish Boy's - 480W & 720w Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

Irish!

I vote for this

" TWO ORGANIC MYKOS STUFF AND 2 PLANTS USING THEIR SYNTHETIC trf WITCH IS A 12-10-10 NPK AND NO DM PURPLE/RED TRF's "

For sure bro! Then we can see what this company is all about, and the differences between sythetic and organic buds, Irishboy style!

-Go

thought about that:thumb:
 
re: Irish Boy's - 480W & 720w Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

heres some up dates. the leds on mixed with my flash with my camera make them look like a shit color. i just took them out of the tent and they are a very nice green color and healthy as hell. I swear by sea weed its so amazing what it dose to ur plants within a day or 2.
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re: Irish Boy's - 480W & 720w Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

Irish!

I vote for this

" TWO ORGANIC MYKOS STUFF AND 2 PLANTS USING THEIR SYNTHETIC trf WITCH IS A 12-10-10 NPK AND NO DM PURPLE/RED TRF's "

For sure bro! Then we can see what this company is all about, and the differences between sythetic and organic buds, Irishboy style!

-Go


That gets my vote too.

Glad you're liking the seaweed.

I think I'll keep using it even with CRF's. I just like what it does so much.
 
re: Irish Boy's - 480W & 720w Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

from what ive been told even with their synthetic TRF you still dont need to PH the water, so that works for me if thats true. i am wondering if we dont need to PH our water with DM or OC+ since its a TRF? but i want to see what their 12-10-10 NPK is all about, so i am down for that. ill talk to them tomorrow and double check about the no PHing because i would love that allot. they told me not to add kelp or molasses because the tea has everything, so that money savings already if it works good. ive also been told we can use organics with the synthetic TRF because since its TR the salts are too low to hurt the microbes. i think it would be allot more funner to use their synthetic TRF because they said its has all the micros we need in it for our plants, so this will be good data to see along with some of their organic TRF for u organic growers. theirs plenty of members using OC+ and DM witch i have a tent with DM so i am good. it would be cool to see a different product that we haven't seen yet.
 
re: Irish Boy's - 480W & 720w Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

Not sure I read far back enouph.For an organic grow using soil I would consider something that would really fill the area and give roots the room to grow.I think something cheep and easy would be to use storage containers.Normally I would use a garbage can but indoor hight could be an problem.A 10-18 gallon storage container seem to be in my opinion to give the most root space given the amount of grow space.:MoreNutes:
Thats a great idea, turttle +reps!! Too bad I just transplanted my 9 babies into 5 gal nursery pots! :lot-o-toke:
 
re: Irish Boy's - 480W & 720w Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

heres some info on my GF addtive i rave about so much, this is a post from Subcool talking about it and what it dose.

Other additives are used to hold plants in a desired stage of growth, or to push them to the next. B'cuzz and GreenFuse are two popular products that fall into this category. Both product lines are kelp based, super concentrate, and expensive ($40 a quart). They come in three flavors - root, growth, and bloom. They are fermented plant tissue cultures from rooting plants, from vegetative plants, and blooming plants. Let's say the plants in your garden have reached a desired size. Now you're ready to cut back the lights and jump into the bloom cycle. These bloom additives will help push your plants into bloom and keep them there. When a vegetative plant takes in blooming cells through the root system, those blooming cells set off a chain reaction within your plant. Coupled with the lights being cut from 18 to 12 hours, your plants will have no choice but to stop growing and start producing fruits and vegetables. The continual use of these bloom additives will ensure your plants will stay on the right course. Stresses such as an interrupted light cycles and temperature variations that come with cold mornings and inevitable power outages will be minimized with these products.

These benefits also apply to the root and growth formulas. Since a cutting is an exact replica of the host or parent plant, a cutting is still a vegetative plant. It takes time to change the cutting's train of thought from growing to rooting. The rooting formula will supplement this change. If you have a garden full of Pomodoro tomatoes that have been harvested and you would like to bring back the plants vigor before the second harvest, use the growth additives. This will help your plants get back on their feet. The stresses of a fruiting cycle followed by a harvest are immense.
 
re: Irish Boy's - 480W & 720w Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

I Talked to the makers of Mykos, and told them what u guys wanted to see. this were more then cool at whatever i choose either test their product to the best product ive used and see for myself how theirs performs compared to whatever i choose or just use all their products. At this point in time I am thinking 2 plants feed with their mykos30 and their compost tea with azos and their Calcarb, then the other 2 plants simple TRF style, with the all purpose feed packs witch are already measured out in tea bags for us mixed with their mykos and azos for roots and thats it. all plants will no be PH'ed like they say its not needed unless i see a major problem then i will adjust the PH if i feel its need no matter what. but i am hoping that i dont have to do that. i got the SS#4 mix and should have some Jack Herer clones rolling tomorrow :thumb: so one will get plain tap water and the others will get compost tea with tap water and NO PH'ing
 
re: Irish Boy's - 480W & 720w Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

Control your cannabis
Why waste light and electricity growing stem? Stretched-out plants are the bane of indoor growers. There are several ways to reduce internodal length and thus grow denser, more efficient buds.


Temperature control

The easiest and most under-used way to control internodal stretch is temperature control. Plant internodal length is directly related to the difference between day and night temperatures — the warmer your day cycle is as compared to your night cycle, the greater your internode length will be. The opposite also holds true; the closer your day and night temperatures, the shorter your internodes will be. Ever notice how as the warmer summer months approach, your plants begin to stretch? Part of this problem may lie in an overall hotter grow-room, but a larger factor is the increased difference between day and night temperatures.

Lets look at putting this to play in your grow room. Maximum temperatures should ideally never rise above 26°C, so you must do everything you can to prevent your room getting too hot (run lights at night, use exhaust fans, air conditioners, etc). An ideal temperature range is 24-25°C when the lights are on, and 22°C when the lights are off.

The temperature technique is most effective under a 12/12 light regime, which is ideal as this is when cannabis stretches the most. When the light cycle is brought to 12/12 we will raise the night temperature to the daytime level of 24-25°C. Space heaters on timers work well for this, and max/min type thermometers are ideal for
tracking temperatures.

It is during the first 2-3 weeks of the flower cycle that most strains begin to lengthen internodes, making it a very important time to control temperature, as this is when the framework for future colas is built. After this 2-3 week window we need to drop the night temperature back down to 22°C, as this is where the plant is happiest.
As floral development begins we need to keep in mind that the total size of your buds is determined largely by average daily temperature, provided it does not exceed optimal. So if you are letting your day temperatures drop below 24°C or your night drop below 22°C, you are costing yourself in overall weight and harvest.

Once your buds have reached optimal size and and you have begun the flushing period, you may consider dropping temperature down to 17-19°C for the final week or two. This drop in temperature triggers anthocyanin production, which intensifies the colour of the floral clusters and makes for a showier bud, especially with "purple" varieties. This final temperature change is not always feasible and can be omitted.

For extreme height control you may even use warmer night temperature than day, but be very careful when running settings like this, as even a zero difference between night and day temperatures will lead to leaf chlorosis (yellowing) after 2-3 weeks.

Some things you will notice while using this technique are a change in the leaf angle, upwards during warm days and downwards during warm nights. There is also the chlorosis if this is done for too long. Neither of these symptoms is nutrient related and will fix themselves when the temperature is changed back.


Moisture and conductivity

Whether you're growing hydro or in soil, the electrical conductivity (EC) and moisture of your medium are two key elements that should be manipulated to meet your needs. Both of these factors are controlling the same thing; the ability of a plant to uptake water and nutrients from the growth medium. (EC measures the level of fertilizer salts in the water.)

A plant grows by first dividing cells then expanding them, and in order to do this it requires water. By limiting the amount of water available to a plant you limit the expansion of cells. This can work for you by keeping your internodes close together, or against you by limiting bud growth. Both the amount of water you give your plants and the EC at which you grow them control the uptake of water.

A plant's roots act much like a pump, using osmotic pressure to move water into the plant. In order for this to work there must be a larger concentration of fertilizer salts in the plant's roots than in the soil or hydroponic solution, so when the medium's level of salt rises above the roots', the plant will wilt. Raising the salt level in the medium closer to that which is in the roots limits the water availability just the same as if we had provided less water.

During the vegetative stage we want our plants to form very tight internodes, especially under artificial lighting. By allowing the EC to drop below ideal during this stage we are wasting valuable space growing stem instead of bud. Most marijuana strains are happiest when grown at an EC of between 1.5 and 1.8, but different strains have different preferences. Try growing one of your plants using straight water for a week or so, you will see the internode length stretch dramatically compared to the ones on a regular fertilizer regime.
Hydroponic tomato growers sometimes will grow their transplants at extremely high EC's (up to 6 EC!) in order to get really nice stocky production plants. Please note that when doing this they use special nutrient formulas designed for this purpose, most of which have potassium to nitrogen ratios of 4:1, much higher than normal, as too much nitrate at this high an EC will easily damage a plant.

(Try this formula if you're interested: calcium nitrate 7 grams, potassium nitrate 0.095 grams, potassium sulphate 9.25 grams, mono potassium phosphate 2.2 gram, magnesium sulphate 5 grams, micromix .02 grams. Slowly raise your EC during veg stage, I would not recommend going above 3 or 4 EC. This is experimental! Do not try on all of your plants at once until you are sure your strain can handle it. All of these ingredients should be available at your local hydroponics store, it is usually called "six pack formula". Be sure to bring your EC back down once you enter floral stage, by the time tufts of pistils are visible you want to be at your ideal EC of 1.5-1.8.)

Try not to change the EC too quickly as a sharp drop can cause root damage. This also goes during your final flushing period when you want to eliminate all fertilizer from the medium — lower the EC over a couple of days, as the sudden change in salt level will harm the roots.

When growing hydroponically, the only way of manipulating water availability is with the EC, while in soil we may also use the moisture level of the medium to the same ends. Many growers are under the mistaken impression that the EC and pH of their nutrient solution remains the same when applied to the soil. This in not the case, and you must test the soil in order to have a true
picture.
To test your soil, take a sample from the center of the root zone at the side of the pot (don't worry the torn roots will be fine). Mix the soil with 2 equal parts distilled water and let sit for 20 minutes. Once the time is up take an EC reading and multiply this number by 2.4 (this takes into account the dilution and the pore space factor) this will give you an accurate picture of the EC the roots are actually being exposed to. The pH should also be checked at this time. It is not feasible in soil to maintain an exact EC at all times, what we need to try and avoid is EC's climbing much above what we want and plants going for long periods with very low EC's.

A frequent mistake marijuana growers make is over-emphasizing the need for a plant grown in soil to dry out completely between waterings. Cannabis does like dry feet but this simply means that the root zone must not be kept extremely wet at all times. Keep in mind that if the soil has an EC of 1.8 and then dries out completely the amount of salt remains the same, causing the EC to double or more.

As a general rule, during the vegetative stage you should keep your plants a little on the drier side as this will restrict cell elongation, creating a shorter noded plant structure capable of creating a dense bud cluster in the floral stage. (Unless of course you are using the high EC method described above, in this case you must not let your soil get too dry because of the increased fertilizer level you will create.) Maintain this level of moisture into the first 14 to 20 days of 12/12 to minimize internode stretch.

As soon as early flowering begins you need to increase soil moisture to a nice evenly moist (not soaked) level to maximize bud expansion. Growing marijuana too dry during this stage will adversely affect your overall yield, as will having too high an EC in the medium.

In these times of government oppression we must make the most efficient use of available growing space in order to produce the copious amounts of cannabis necessary to overflow the boundaries placed upon us. Control your cannabis!
 
re: Irish Boy's - 480W & 720w Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

So you have worked hard for 8 weeks! You have invested money into equipment and possibly genetics; you have invested time and dedication to get to this point. How can you tell when it's time to harvest your gooey girls? Well 'fire one up' and let's take a look at the best way to be sure you're harvesting at peak potency, or at least you will better understand what happens in the final weeks, so you can harvest for the specific type of high you prefer.
The harvest window is one aspect of the craft which unfortunately, gets over looked or the grower simply doesn't have the patience to wait-out the last few days, to insure max THC content. Some strains are better harvested before their peak THC production and some are better harvested after their peak THC production. This is what Robert Clark wrote in his book "Marijuana Botany" about trichomes and what they tell us; "The elevated resin heads appear clear, since fresh resin is still being secreted, often being produced in the cellular head of the trichome. At this time THC acid production is at a peak and CBD acid levels remain stable as the molecules are rapidly converted to THC acids, THC acid synthesis has not been active long enough for a high level of CBN acid to build up from the degradation of THC acid by light and heat. Terpene production is also nearing a peak and the floral clusters are beautifully aromatic. Many cultivators prefer to pick some of their strains during this stage in order to produce marijuana with a clear, cerebral, psychoactive effect It is believed that, in peak floral clusters, the low levels of CBD and CBN allow the high level of THC to act without their sedative effects."
What the hell does this mean?
When growing Indica hybrids, unless you want to end up on the couch, it's best to harvest when the trichome heads are fully formed but before they start to cloud over and turn amber. According to the maturation time of the specific strain this could take as little as five days or as long as two weeks. If you allow an Indica to go too long you can dramatically affect the taste and high. Fortunately going too long is not a real problem for most people. I like to study close-up photos taken with a high resolution digital camera; however an inexpensive hand-held microscope works wonders. It almost looks like you are in an alien world when looking at resinated buds using fifty-times-power.
With the Sativa dominant hybrids you want to make sure that all the trichome heads are fully formed and also about thirty percent amber. Letting a plant mature beyond this will risk flavor as well as, the finished smoke may be harsh with very little "high". There are exceptions as I mentioned; Haze has three different harvest windows all being very late into flower. It is every grower's job to learn what he or his patients prefer in the terms of "High".
We have not yet addressed yields because if you are at the third stage of floral maturity with fully form trichomes, then we will have to assume most strains have packed on all their final weight. Even then, there are variables but we can use the guide-lines spelled out below to help gauge the best harvest window for your plants based on the trichomes.

1. Fully formed but still clear will provide a cleaner 'up' high with less sedative effect; this is the best window for heavy Indicas.
2. Fully formed and turning slightly cloudy or milky; this is probably the best time to pick most hybrids available today.
3. Fully formed completely cloudy or milky with at least thirty percent of the heads turning amber; this is usually best window for the late maturing Sativa's such as Haze. This is also a good window when using the plant primarily for Hash production.

Take for instance the Jacks Cleaner harvested at fifty-six days; all trichomes are still visibly clear with very few turning cloudy. At this point it has a very 'up' high and an 'in-the-head' buzz. I get some good visuals and the lemon flavor is sour and a tad tart. The same plant, left just one more week at sixty-three days flower; the trichomes have turned milky white and a good portion, about thirty to fifty percent, are deep amber almost the color of cola. Taken at this time the smoke is heavy and thick, the lemon zing has been replaced with a musty sweet lemon smell that reminds me of 'Lemon Heads' candy. The high is now all body high and very much a sedative. We would smoke this only as our night time medication. It is almost an example of a plant taken too late, however we do this because of the medicinal properties she takes-on at this late stage.
Another example is Killer Queen. At forty-nine days flower, she has a candy-like smell and taste with that same 'up' high. If you were to harvest her at sixty days flower, she becomes 'Super' Killer Queen, with a more skunk-like smell and a thicker trance-like high.
The mistake to try and avoid is harvesting before the trichomes are fully formed, so as mentioned in the guideline; most growers whom use this method, harvest at the point in which the majority of the heads are cloudy. Harvesting before this window will produce bud that is less potent, containing less essential oils and trepans, causing your finished stash to take on a grassy or green taste, even if it is dried and cured correctly.
Another good method would be harvesting some of the more mature buds, usually being the upper or main colas. This will allow more light to shine down on the lower portion of the plant, not only will the buds mature further but they will also pack on some extra size.
If you have a nice digital camera with a macro feature, try taking some close-up photos and use a photo editing program such as Adobe. This will allow you to zoom in close so you can see what the necked eye cannot see. If this is not an option, Radio Shack sells battery-powered hand-held microscopes for about fifteen dollars.
Take advantage of this information, it will help maximize the results of your favorite strain, or help you determine the harvest window of something new.

Written by Subcool
 
re: Irish Boy's - 480W & 720w Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

As floral development begins we need to keep in mind that the total size of your buds is determined largely by average daily temperature, provided it does not exceed optimal. So if you are letting your day temperatures drop below 24°C or your night drop below 22°C, you are costing yourself in overall weight and harvest.


boy, I sure saw that in action recently when I increased my lights-on temp from 70-71 to 75-76.

buds started to get fatter as soon as temp went up.

Another example of how environment is far more important than nutes when it comes to yield.


It almost looks like you are in an alien world when looking at resinated buds using fifty-times-power.


at 200 and 400x, it's hard to leave.
 
re: Irish Boy's - 480W & 720w Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

boy, I sure saw that in action recently when I increased my lights-on temp from 70-71 to 75-76.

buds started to get fatter as soon as temp went up.

Another example of how environment is far more important than nutes when it comes to yield.





at 200 and 400x, it's hard to leave.

76-78 seems to always treat me great! as day temps. i will say i am not a big fan of space heathers though during the day temps i much rather add heat by buying a cheap 250-600w light setup and save money, running those 1,500w heater 24hr is not cheap.

looking at the trics nice and close is out of this world, its very hard to leave.
 
re: Irish Boy's - 480W & 720w Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

I want to give a big thank you to Xtreme-Gardening for the sample package. they hooked it up for sure i have all of their products plus their Xtream tea brew thats not out in stores yet. i have 4 Jack Herer clones getting planted tomorrow under the two GLH led lights. Have the sun sine#4 mix ready to go.

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re: Irish Boy's - 480W & 720w Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

DOOOOOOOD I am so envious! Damn! Well played Xtreme gardening!

Well played Irish!

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