480W & 720W LED Grow - Land of Clovers

re: Irish Boy's - 480W & 720w Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

28.349523125 grams = 1 oz
487 gram = 17.178419469 ounce
16 oz = 1 pound
17.178419469 ounce = 1.0736512168 pound


can you do a gram/watt estimate? i know results will be thrown off because of extra flower time but would be interesting to know.
 
re: Irish Boy's - 480W & 720w Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

go green said:
not counting the person who had to explain the rules!

Roorrip

oops. Irish posted before i did. Lol nevermind this.
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see i am the winner now i get to keep the bud. Ill follow that rule.lol
thinkerr said:
28.349523125 grams = 1 oz
487 gram = 17.178419469 ounce
16 oz = 1 pound
17.178419469 ounce = 1.0736512168 pound


can you do a gram/watt estimate? I know results will be thrown off because of extra flower time but would be interesting to know.
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not a good way of looking at it at all but i think its around .45gpw witch you just hurt my feeling.lol. dont even want to know GPKW?lol. this grow was a big waist of time IMO. i could have had 2 harvest done in that time frame, but i did show its possible to grow in 100F+ and still pull over a pund. My 600w grow is still undefeated, but i am hoping to take it on this grow, i really think i can do it for sure with my two 300's depending on the strain. not sure about this soil/coco grow? i have faith in SS#4 and will return to it for sure on this next grow. i am going to hit those girls with that Mykos for sure when i trans plant. I must sound like a unthankful ass to most viewers.lol. bitching about getting a pound.lol when most would be happy as hell. i am just looking at the big picture, on the time it took and watts used and plants# compared to my last grow. i hate not topping my past grows. but condition's were what i was dealt so i am lucky i was able to keep them alive this long. MJ plants are some tuff plants!!
 
re: Irish Boy's - 480W & 720w Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

Unless you're growing with tropical strains, you're lucky to have a (substantial) harvest when you're dealing with temperatures like that. Many types will just stop growing for the most part. Heat, experimenting with different brands of non-traditional (for cannabis) fertilizers, et cetera... You did good with what you got, I say.

As always, thank you for your honesty in reporting and for correcting your mistakes.
 
re: Irish Boy's - 480W & 720w Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

i found this while searching for growing mediums SunGro Horticulture Sunshine Advanced Mix #4, 2 cu ft - Style # 714767, organic potting soil,fox farm soil,hydroponic soilless mix,pro-mix,hydroponic perlite,pro mix,ocean forest soil

it says it has endomycorrhizal built in along with some coco/perlite/peat/lime i dont know if the price is competitive for what you usually pay for SS #4 but it combines a lot of the different grows you and settingsun are currently doing into one.
 
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TorturedSoul said:
Unless you're growing with tropical strains, you're lucky to have a (substantial) harvest when you're dealing with temperatures like that. Many types will just stop growing for the most part. Heat, experimenting with different brands of non-traditional (for cannabis) fertilizers, et cetera... You did good with what you got, I say.

As always, thank you for your honesty in reporting and for correcting your mistakes.
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well said :thankyou:
thinkerr said:
i found this while searching for growing mediums SunGro Horticulture Sunshine Advanced Mix #4, 2 cu ft - Style # 714767, organic potting soil,fox farm soil,hydroponic soilless mix,pro-mix,hydroponic perlite,pro mix,ocean forest soil

it says it has endomycorrhizal built in along with some coco/perlite/peat/lime i dont know if the price is competitive for what you usually pay for SS #4 but it combines a lot of the different grows you and settingsun are currently doing into one.
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ya ive seen it and have been trying to get my local spot to get it, but no luck yet.

The price is right but the shipping is what gets you. if a local place carries it ill get it for sure. Also the fact your getting a big as bag of special soil delivered to you.lol
 
re: Irish Boy's - 480W & 720w Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

we need to get a really rich weed friendly investor. then he/she can open hydro shops in cities and the growers can go in with an online grocery list and that store purchases the items and all the orders are shipped to that store. that way no one (feds) knows where the products are going to and the growers are safe. the store could be nonprofit and would only charge customers enough to keep the staff happy.
 
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thinkerr said:
we need to get a really rich weed friendly investor. then he/she can open hydro shops in cities and the growers can go in with an online grocery list and that store purchases the items and all the orders are shipped to that store. that way no one (feds) knows where the products are going to and the growers are safe. the store could be nonprofit and would only charge customers enough to keep the staff happy.
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yup that would be kick ass:yahoo:
 
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alright guys i talked to the guys who make mykos and their sending me their TRF's witch are organic and they told me that with all their products we dont have to PH the water. i was told even with their synthetic stuff. they also want to to try out some compost tea thats to be out of this world. i am not sure put they want me to put their product up against any product i choose and do a side x side. so this grow i will try their organic TRF and tea, then the next grow i will try their synthetic TRF witch is a (12-10-10) and has everything in it as far as micros from what i am told. all i know is if i dont have to PH my water then i am a very happy man!:yahoo::yahoo::yahoo: I will Choose to use DM purple for this next grow. then maybe some DM Red for Bloom
 
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IrishBoy said:
alright guys i talked to the guys who make mykos and their sending me their TRF's witch are organic and they told me that with all their products we dont have to PH the water. i was told even with their synthetic stuff. they also want to to try out some compost tea thats to be out of this world. i am not sure put they want me to put their product up against any product i choose and do a side x side. so this grow i will try their organic TRF and tea, then the next grow i will try their synthetic TRF witch is a (12-10-10) and has everything in it as far as micros from what i am told. all i know is if i dont have to PH my water then i am a very happy man!:yahoo::yahoo::yahoo: I will Choose to use DM purple for this next grow. then maybe some DM Red for Bloom
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Nice that they are willing to put their products where their bragging is. Not PHing the water would be real cool. A no PHing product line would get a huge following.:MoreNutes::MoreNutes::yahoo:
 
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im wondering if Mycorrhizae would be as effective in a hempy bucket. im sure they would be fine above the drilled hole but that cuts out the root tips where the Mycorrhizae would be most beneficial (i would think). wouldnt they drown and rot in the res where most of the neuts and roots are?
 
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Two Tokes said:
Nice that they are willing to put their products where their bragging is. Not PHing the water would be real cool. A no PHing product line would get a huge following.:MoreNutes::MoreNutes::yahoo:
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i would be very happy if that were the case. but i wont get my hopes up yet. their is one problem i can see though, this wont be the most accurate test because i will be using their organic TRF plus some compost tea and some other things. So basically the DM purple plants will be a base line for me and by doing the compost teas it will be to show us a new way of growing. making the tea will be easier then PH'ing our water, the tea mix is in little 2" tea bags you drop into a gal of water and let sit for 24hrs and only feed once a week. they want me to use the cal/carb foliar spray but ill think about that one. i want to stay away from adding all this type of stuff. i guess i am getting a big box of stuff to mess around with even after this grow.
thinkerr said:
im wondering if Mycorrhizae would be as effective in a hempy bucket. im sure they would be fine above the drilled hole but that cuts out the root tips where the Mycorrhizae would be most beneficial (i would think). wouldnt they drown and rot in the res where most of the neuts and roots are?
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they make stuff that will work called Mykos WP or mykos drops, it was one of the 1st things i asked.lol you can use these in DWC and ect. claimed not to clog drip lines also from what i was told.
 
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pretty cool organisms. i still question not having to pH the water. dont certain neuts get locked out above and below certain a pH?

maybe a side by side using regular tap and one using regular tap with pH up/down to test their claims?
 
re: Irish Boy's - 480W & 720w Grow LED Hydro - Land Of Clovers

VOTING TIME GUYS!! HERE THE DEAL I WANT TO GET UR VOTE ON. I WILL BE DOING 4 PLANTS ONLY ON THIS 600W LED GROW. DO YOU WANT TO SEE 2 PLANTS WITH THE ORGANIC MYKOS STUFF AND THEIR ADDITIVES VS 2 DM PURPLE/RED TRF's? OR DO YOU WANT TO SEE THE TWO ORGANIC MYKOS STUFF AND 2 PLANTS USING THEIR SYNTHETIC trf WITCH IS A 12-10-10 NPK AND NO DM PURPLE/RED TRF's? I REALLY WANT TO JUST DO THEIR trf'S ALONE BUT I WANT TO TRY THEIR RECIPE THAT THEY SAY THAT WILL BLOW OUR MINDS IN EVERY WAY YIELD AND QUALITY. i AM JUST TRYING TO THINK OF A WAY TO KEEP IT FAIR WITH THE DM PRODUCTS WITCH I CAN SEE A WAY TO DO THAT WHEN ADDING OTHER STUFF TO THE MYKOS STUFF? I DONT WANT THIS TO BE A CRAZY SIDE X SIDE AND GET BASHED FOR WHAT I DO BECAUSE THATS NOT MY THING. I WILL LEAVE THAT UP TO SETTING SUN BECAUSE THATS HIS THING AND HE GOOD AT THAT. THE DM WILL JUST BE AS A GUIDE LINE FOR ME TO SEE IF I LIKE THIS PRODUCT, BUT JUST NOT SURE IF I WANT TO SKIP THE DM AND USE ALL THEIR PRODUCTS AND GIVE IT A TRY? PLEASE LET ME NOW UR OPINIONS ON WHAT U WOULD LIKE TO SEE?
 
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thinkerr said:
pretty cool organisms. i still question not having to pH the water. dont certain neuts get locked out above and below certain a pH?

maybe a side by side using regular tap and one using regular tap with pH up/down to test their claims?
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ITS SAID THAT THE MICRO LIFE WILL PH THINGS FOR US AND BREAK DOWN THE FOOD FOR THE PLANTS. IVE BEEN TOLD PH'ing WITH MICRO LIFE HURTS THEM. ILL GIVE IT A SHOT AND IF I SEEM TO HAVE DEF PROBLEMS ILL PH THAT WATER FAST,LOL
 
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If you mix their products with anything else, you're not going to be able to evaluate how they perform on their own.

Experimenting can sometimes cost yield, and the grower and experimenter have very different agendas, although it's a beautiful thing when they come together.
 
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Setting Sun said:
If you mix their products with anything else, you're not going to be able to evaluate how they perform on their own.

Experimenting can sometimes cost yield, and the grower and experimenter have very different agendas, although it's a beautiful thing when they come together.
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i here you. i want to try their product alone just the TRF's but i also want to take their advice and use their teas witch they say will do crazy wonders. this is a good size company and they said all the produce farmers cant believe the wonders their tea dose.

the main question is should i use DM in 2 plants or just all 4 with their products? i would be very happy if i can get good yield doing it the organic way. they told me they have been using CRF's for 17 years and they have all the micros and every thing ur plants want, but the teas are kelp, fish, meals and who knows whatever that they say will create some happy micro life that will take care of my plants.

also on this grow i am thinking of using grow bags and not pots any reason why i shouldn't? all i have is the Hempy buckets but i dont feel good about adding organic to it yet. rather use pots and i know the grow bags are allot cheaper and easier to store, give me a reason why i not a good idea please?
 
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id vote all 4 with mykos products with all the same strain. we have seen DM used on your last grow and on SettingSuns current grow. we know they work and what quality you can get with them. id like to see what mykos brings to the table standing on its own two hyphae.

as for adding organic to the hempys --- isnt coco organic and SettingSun has proved it works in hempy?
 
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thinkerr said:
id vote all 4 with mykos products with all the same strain. we have seen DM used on your last grow and on SettingSuns current grow. we know they work and what quality you can get with them. id like to see what mykos brings to the table standing on its own two hyphae.

as for adding organic to the hempys --- isnt coco organic and SettingSun has proved it works in hempy?
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thanks for the input.

has far as coco being organic and adding organics that 2 different things, organics arnt made for hydro really, things get nasty in the res. but having a organic medium and feeding organics in sitting water in different. if i do opt out the DM, then maybe ill do 2 plants with the tea and 1 plant with just their synthetic TRF and maybe 1 with their organic fert and no tea. the one thing that worries me is not getting good yield. i might just add 1 DM plant and 1 Mykos synthetic TRF and the other two with the organics TRF and the tea like they want me to do? lots of options. my last grow wsnt a good base line for the OC+ or DM because of the crazy temps.

All i know is if i can get good results and not have to PH my water i am sold.i will be very happy. i hate PHing my water

I am also thinking of getting grow bags because i can get 25 of them for the price of one 5 gal pot, from what ive been reading lots of people lie them
 
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I vote for going with whatever seems like a good idea at the time. There might be one combination that gives better yield but I don't think there will be one that gives a crappy yield.
 
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IrishBoy said:
i here you. i want to try their product alone just the TRF's but i also want to take their advice and use their teas witch they say will do crazy wonders. this is a good size company and they said all the produce farmers cant believe the wonders their tea dose.

the main question is should i use DM in 2 plants or just all 4 with their products? i would be very happy if i can get good yield doing it the organic way. they told me they have been using CRF's for 17 years and they have all the micros and every thing ur plants want, but the teas are kelp, fish, meals and who knows whatever that they say will create some happy micro life that will take care of my plants.

also on this grow i am thinking of using grow bags and not pots any reason why i shouldn't? all i have is the Hempy buckets but i dont feel good about adding organic to it yet. rather use pots and i know the grow bags are allot cheaper and easier to store, give me a reason why i not a good idea please?
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If you want to compare ferts, do 2 and 2, but if you're mostly after yield and/or quality, and you feel one would do better, then go with that for all 4.

Grow bags seem to work fine for lots of growers.

The small 1/2gal and 1gal sizes are great for sog because they're narrow and ummmmmmmmm, bags, lol, so you can cram them in.

The larger ones seem to work great also from what I've seen, so I don't see any reason why it's not a good idea.

I've read that adding a layer of hydroton at the bottom helps with drainage and stability. Sounds like a good idea to me.
 
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