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re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun

Setting Sun said:
It wouldn't work and might even be detrimental. Roots can't absorb oxygen in gaseous form, they draw the molecule from H2O in fluid form through the roots.

Adding air directly to the soil could dry the roots out and/or prevent uptake of nutrients.

It would be better to use the air stone to thoroughly oxygenate the water before watering the plant with it.
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Thanks Setting Sun, Once again my question is answered:) I was serious too thought i was making a discovery hahaha! So just leave a bubbler in the water then water the plant. :yahoo:Soaking soaking all the info in thanks guy!:ganjamon:
 
re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun

Those buckets are pretty nuts, whole setup kind of reminds me of a McGuyver episode or something :bongrip:

SG
 
re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun

Or, you can just shake your jug of water/nutes up real good to oxygenate them if you don't want to set up a bubbler.

I usually mix up 3-4 gallons in a bucket, and then use a paint mixer attachment and electric drill to mix things up and oxygenate.

Hey, I got pretty excited about oxygenating dirt a while back too;)
 
re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun

Setting Sun said:
glad you're here KX808!

Is this an auto Northern Lights? Do you know the seed co?

If it's an auto strain, you can't clone them because the clones, being the same age as the mom, would die before they had a chance to grow. Autos have to be grown from seed.

Yeah, if it's an auto, you don't want to stress it in any way because that just slows them down and gives them less time to grow buds.

I made a mistake with these LR2's by starting them in containers that were too small. Transplanting them stresses them and isn't good either. Next time, I'll start them in bigger pots.

Glad she's doing good under the 180w!

These are some very bright lights!
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Wat up! Bean is from Nirv**a and described as noob fav. The write up defies the "Auto" charateristics but I do know she is racing! A couple of friends have tried some white dwarf and blueberry and they got tootsie pops. They are giving up on autos.

You seem to get the Autos "#". Your ladies are looking sassy and phat.

I'm liking them pots and that irrigation sys.

I've got ocular vision and had it since birth so I "forget" my visions not the norm. I'm reminded when a 3-D movie comes out. I've found out that if I wear a headlamp (actually adding white light), I reduce that fuzzy haze effect. :ganjamon:
 
re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun

I haven't tried to grow any of the newer autos, but I've seen lots of nice LR2 grows (for autos).

The blueberry auto isn't really a good beginner plant from what I've read.

Yes, these ladies are looking *really* good. I couldn't be happier, except if they would start to bloom already ;).

I like the pots and the air stones. I think next time, I'll put the whole dose of Osmocote+ about a couple inches above the hole, so I can just bottom water.

take care KX ;)
 
re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun

so I can just bottom water
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How good does that perlite wick? Coir's the stuff for capillary action, and plenty of air space.
Consider a wild plant roots' aeration opportunities. In dirt. How could it grow?
Wait, wait! My tongue is stuck in my cheek. :MoreNutes:
Seriously, green plants release oxygen as an un-needed by-product of photosynthesis.
That's why we can live here, on this planet. Until we finish poisoning it.
 
re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun

Boy, you don't miss a beat Mr. Gator.

Very timely comment, because even with the addition of 20% Turface, I just discovered that bottom watering is not sufficient for these pots with this medium.

I've been just bottom watering for the past 3-4 days, and the pots were dry as a bone.

That's also not good from the standpoint of the OC+ nutes in the perlite not receiving water.

I top-watered them and the ladies are lookin' better than ever.

I think you're right that Coir would work much better for bottom watering.


At the root zone, oxygen facilitates the exchange of nutrients and gases between the plant roots and the surrounding solution.

For that reason alone, I think roots can benefit from more oxygen than you would find in hardscrabble.

The wild dirt plant survives, but it coulda been a contender, at the whim of the wind.
 
re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun

Setting Sun said:
Boy, you don't miss a beat Mr. Gator.

Very timely comment, because even with the addition of 20% Turface, I just discovered that bottom watering is not sufficient for these pots with this medium.

I've been just bottom watering for the past 3-4 days, and the pots were dry as a bone.

That's also not good from the standpoint of the OC+ nutes in the perlite not receiving water.

I top-watered them and the ladies are lookin' better than ever.

I think you're right that Coir would work much better for bottom watering.


At the root zone, oxygen facilitates the exchange of nutrients and gases between the plant roots and the surrounding solution.

For that reason alone, I think roots can benefit from more oxygen than you would find in hardscrabble.

The wild dirt plant survives, but it coulda been a contender, at the whim of the wind.
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Perlite has to be top watered....unless you can flood it from the bottom, a la flood n drain table......or hempy bucket with the damn hole 2 inches from the bottom. In the case of the latter, you've got to put the water in at a pretty good rate of flow.....as we've discussed before.

Are these pots you're using the final home for the plants?
 
re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun

DocBud said:
Perlite has to be top watered....unless you can flood it from the bottom, a la flood n drain table......or hempy bucket with the damn hole 2 inches from the bottom. In the case of the latter, you've got to put the water in at a pretty good rate of flow.....as we've discussed before.

Are these pots you're using the final home for the plants?
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I ran some wicking tests a few weeks ago with perlite and hydroton, both with and without some wicks I made from a micro-fiber towel.

Using a drinking glass and some food coloring, the straight perlite wicked about 5" and the straight hydroton about 1-2".

The wicks did not add much additional wicking to the perlite, but they did help the hydroton, although the additional wicking in the hydroton was localized around the wick and did not spread out much.

Typical hempy buckets being around 9-10" tall, the perlite wicks halfway up, which is adequate, but that wicking action seems to be maintained by top-watering. It won't happen with bottom watering, apparently.

I'm also using #4 perlite, which is really coarse, and it doesn't wick nearly as well as the finer stuff. More Turface would definitely help, but would start to fill in the gaps and decrease aeration. There's just no free ride.

These pots will be the final pots for the LR2's. They are big 3-gallon pots and give them lots of root space, especially with hydro. Transplanting autos is best avoided, so they will stay in these pots for the duration.

I'm not sure yet if I like these pots better than just a regular hempy bucket.

The plants are doing well in them, but I need to weigh things out.
 
re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun

There's just no free ride.
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Resistance is futile. Coco rocks but:
Coir is salty and stains when fresh. You must fill your container and flush first, before transplanting into the settled pot.

It's untidy, unruly(not really), and of suspect origin.
It's HYDRO, which still intimidates? I think not :hmmmm:
I'm just trying to rationalize perlite in any proportion. It's expensive, to boot.
Best for the least $ is Propa style. Coco coir :yahoo:
 
re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun

Hey SS and Doc, I was wondering what you guys thought...is this perlite too small? Only other I have is larger, but has vermiculite mixed in (mistake long ago)....I don't know the perlite by grade so here is a picture.

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I marked off my watering spot with the primary support tie down and another. I water in that wedge with a watering can with a fine spout until I get runoff and then once a week I have been dumping her out by turning her sideways a bit so the reservoir (butter tub) dumps out. Then refilling with fresh...don't know if that is necessary but I am doing it anyway.

I will be transplanting within 2-3 weeks into a 5 gallon bucket with a hole punched about at the 2 gallon line (that is the plan) and here is my question, should I thin the top part out with the bigger perlite and vermiculite except maybe the top couple inches so the roots have more space or is my girl doing fine the way she is.

P.S. Doc if you look close you can see her tip burn...BTW she has load big enough for a 3 gallon pot....:) 1/2 above the reservoir and 1/2 in the spot you see. But I think that tip burn is a good sign that she is AMPED and ready to ROLL...her growth has really picked up over the last few days...her last gallon was phed to 6 and had a drop of superthrive for the babies and that seemed to really induce vertical growth and leaf enlargement. Edit: Forgot to add I dump the Hempy SLH babies overflow through her and it has the runoff from the Mater Magic....I am really testing how stoner proof OC+ is...

She is gonna be a beast to keep in that box for 3 more weeks until my other Cheese is done.

:peace: and :thankyou: ahead of time. (Sorry about the photo intrusion, but is for the purpose of learning so hoped you wouldn't mind.)
 
re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun

the only thing that's held me off from coco is people saying stuff like you have to get used to its peculiarities before using it successfully.

Some talk about PH issues, others about it binding cal and mag.

Then I hear other reports of peeps using it with the same nute regimen they've always used and having no problems at all.

Hydro doesn't scare me, as long as the medium is inert.
 
re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun

MountainHigh said:
Hey SS and Doc, I was wondering what you guys thought...is this perlite too small? Only other I have is larger, but has vermiculite mixed in (mistake long ago)....I don't know the perlite by grade so here is a picture.

Perlite_too_small.jpg

I marked off my watering spot with the primary support tie down and another. I water in that wedge with a watering can with a fine spout until I get runoff and then once a week I have been dumping her out by turning her sideways a bit so the reservoir (butter tub) dumps out. Then refilling with fresh...don't know if that is necessary but I am doing it anyway.

I will be transplanting within 2-3 weeks into a 5 gallon bucket with a hole punched about at the 2 gallon line (that is the plan) and here is my question, should I thin the top part out with the bigger perlite and vermiculite except maybe the top couple inches so the roots have more space or is my girl doing fine the way she is.

P.S. Doc if you look close you can see her tip burn...BTW she has load big enough for a 3 gallon pot....:) 1/2 above the reservoir and 1/2 in the spot you see. But I think that tip burn is a good sign that she is AMPED and ready to ROLL...her growth has really picked up over the last few days...her last gallon was phed to 6 and had a drop of superthrive for the babies and that seemed to really induce vertical growth and leaf enlargement. Edit: Forgot to add I dump the Hempy SLH babies overflow through her and it has the runoff from the Mater Magic....I am really testing how stoner proof OC+ is...

She is gonna be a beast to keep in that box for 3 more weeks until my other Cheese is done.

:peace: and :thankyou: ahead of time. (Sorry about the photo intrusion, but is for the purpose of learning so hoped you wouldn't mind.)
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Since this is SS's journal, my remarks will be very brief!

that perlite will work perfectly.
why are you upcanning to a 5 gallon bucket? That one looks plenty big to me.....you can grow a monster in a one gallon pot, hempy style.

Also, please, if you go to a 5 gallon bucket, follow the hempy motto:

Drill a hole in the damn bucket about 2 inches from the bottom.

Don't, repeat, don't put the hole at the 2 gallon mark. If you do, you'll kill your plants.
 
re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun

Wow thank for you that info, glad I said something. I was just trying to do the required liquid formula in my head. My other plants at their max growing were drinking a gallon a day (I have low humidity, though not so bad during summer with the swamp cooler)...I figured with two gallons of perlite that would only be at most 1/2 gallon of water and probably not even that. Figured I might end up killing them overnight from drought with much less space than that...

BTW why would that kill them? Slime mold?

:peace: brother.
 
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