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re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun
So here's where you are Sun Better late than never. Looks like your typical grow. Wonderful!
So here's where you are Sun Better late than never. Looks like your typical grow. Wonderful!
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re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun
Now you have my attention. My HoDePo shopping list just now gained an item.
Looks like I can do a cage run with a dollars' worth of prills. And tapwater.
Could this save enough to buy a fancy LED toplight? Or two
#7 ? Looks like #1 to me.
Now you have my attention. My HoDePo shopping list just now gained an item.
Looks like I can do a cage run with a dollars' worth of prills. And tapwater.
Could this save enough to buy a fancy LED toplight? Or two
re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun
I've led a whole tribe of growers away to the dark side......Osmocote.....oh my.
I wouldn't use it in a reservoir, like a flood and drain, ebb n grow or DWC set up. But in a medium it works scary good.
And the price....well, a 50 pound bag helps get it down under 10 bucks for a 2 year supply. I counted 250 plants per bottle, giving them the "heavy" dose and growing in 2 gallon buckets.
I've led a whole tribe of growers away to the dark side......Osmocote.....oh my.
I wouldn't use it in a reservoir, like a flood and drain, ebb n grow or DWC set up. But in a medium it works scary good.
And the price....well, a 50 pound bag helps get it down under 10 bucks for a 2 year supply. I counted 250 plants per bottle, giving them the "heavy" dose and growing in 2 gallon buckets.
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re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun
I'm curious as to your reasoning.
I'm curious as to your reasoning.
re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun
You don't mind one more viewer, do you?
Overabundance of nitrogen?
You don't mind one more viewer, do you?
Overabundance of nitrogen?
re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun
My new thing is dont trust anyone So i would say why not flip them if it wont hurt them? Or maybe a gradual flip since you in 18/6 can you do like 16/8 to try to trigger them? I honestly personally would not try auto flowering Mary jane seeds/clone because arent they genetically altered? The flowering phase is trigged by mother nature, I kind of associate auto flowering strains with asexual reproduction but not nearly quite as natural for some reason
if that analogy makes sense. They look great though so perhaps its just more of a patience type thing.
My new thing is dont trust anyone So i would say why not flip them if it wont hurt them? Or maybe a gradual flip since you in 18/6 can you do like 16/8 to try to trigger them? I honestly personally would not try auto flowering Mary jane seeds/clone because arent they genetically altered? The flowering phase is trigged by mother nature, I kind of associate auto flowering strains with asexual reproduction but not nearly quite as natural for some reason
if that analogy makes sense. They look great though so perhaps its just more of a patience type thing.- Thread starter
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re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun
I'm really trying to see how these nutes work, and how best to work them.
The application rate of these CRF's needs to be a bit higher in soilless mediums because they are primarily designed to be used in dirt, not inert media.
When I re-potted the plants into the 3-gallon pots, I used a total of 2 Tbsp of prills. One Tbsp was sprinkled about 2" above the hole, and the remaining Tbsp was sprinkled about halfway between there and the surface.
I added one more Tbsp last night by working it into the top 2-3" of the medium, and then watered it well.
The plants had a growth spurt today, so I know I was too conservative in starting with just 2 Tbsp. From all the research I've done on OC+ dosing, the general consensus is to use from 1-2 Tbsp per gallon of *soil*.
With soilless media, I'm thinking it would be better to be up at the higher end of that range.
There is a pretty wide margin of application rates for CRF's, and they will not burn your plants.
These girls are stacked and ready to explode
I'm really trying to see how these nutes work, and how best to work them.
The application rate of these CRF's needs to be a bit higher in soilless mediums because they are primarily designed to be used in dirt, not inert media.
When I re-potted the plants into the 3-gallon pots, I used a total of 2 Tbsp of prills. One Tbsp was sprinkled about 2" above the hole, and the remaining Tbsp was sprinkled about halfway between there and the surface.
I added one more Tbsp last night by working it into the top 2-3" of the medium, and then watered it well.
The plants had a growth spurt today, so I know I was too conservative in starting with just 2 Tbsp. From all the research I've done on OC+ dosing, the general consensus is to use from 1-2 Tbsp per gallon of *soil*.
With soilless media, I'm thinking it would be better to be up at the higher end of that range.
There is a pretty wide margin of application rates for CRF's, and they will not burn your plants.
These girls are stacked and ready to explode
re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun
The more light hours you can get them to flower under, the more yield.
No, they're just crossed at some point with ruderalis.
If "by mother nature," you mean by a certain amount of dark hours, that's true - for non-autoflowering plants.
You mean cloning? Doesn't work with AFs. There are male & female autos and feminized just like with non-autoflowers. Just can't clone one.
The more light hours you can get them to flower under, the more yield.
No, they're just crossed at some point with ruderalis.
If "by mother nature," you mean by a certain amount of dark hours, that's true - for non-autoflowering plants.
You mean cloning? Doesn't work with AFs. There are male & female autos and feminized just like with non-autoflowers. Just can't clone one.
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re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun
I wonder if micropropagation techniques could work with AF. Might be worth the hassel if so. Could keep an archive of strains on hand, as well.
For the photo-period strains I've grown, conventional cuttings from donor plants is most convienient for the plant counts I run, but...
I wonder if micropropagation techniques could work with AF. Might be worth the hassel if so. Could keep an archive of strains on hand, as well.
re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun
cool keep me posted on how those ratios work for you plants, because next grow i will most likely be using those on my plants. its will be allot easier for when i leave town. I will make sure to check back with you and get ur opinion on what might be the best way to add them to some perlite or whatever i use. i am thinking coco with hydroton next round or something like that.
either way you plants are looking as good as it gets, i couldn't see it being any better. i have a feeling this is going to be a very successful grow.
as of right now my girls are also looking great, just the delay in flowering, but as far as health and size with being stacked its as good as it gets also. we just need our girls to flower for us!!! i feel your pain brother, we both in the same boat. i think if we can get them to flower and keep their health as good as they are now threw the whole grow we could change led growing and its rep for small bud and yield. the more we mess with these lights the better we will get with growing with them. cheers brother because i think ur about to change led growing!
I'm really trying to see how these nutes work, and how best to work them.
The application rate of these CRF's needs to be a bit higher in soilless mediums because they are primarily designed to be used in dirt, not inert media.
When I re-potted the plants into the 3-gallon pots, I used a total of 2 Tbsp of prills. One Tbsp was sprinkled about 2" above the hole, and the remaining Tbsp was sprinkled about halfway between there and the surface.
I added one more Tbsp last night by working it into the top 2-3" of the medium, and then watered it well.
The plants had a growth spurt today, so I know I was too conservative in starting with just 2 Tbsp. From all the research I've done on OC+ dosing, the general consensus is to use from 1-2 Tbsp per gallon of *soil*.
With soilless media, I'm thinking it would be better to be up at the higher end of that range.
There is a pretty wide margin of application rates for CRF's, and they will not burn your plants.
These girls are stacked and ready to explode
cool keep me posted on how those ratios work for you plants, because next grow i will most likely be using those on my plants. its will be allot easier for when i leave town. I will make sure to check back with you and get ur opinion on what might be the best way to add them to some perlite or whatever i use. i am thinking coco with hydroton next round or something like that.
either way you plants are looking as good as it gets, i couldn't see it being any better. i have a feeling this is going to be a very successful grow.
as of right now my girls are also looking great, just the delay in flowering, but as far as health and size with being stacked its as good as it gets also. we just need our girls to flower for us!!! i feel your pain brother, we both in the same boat. i think if we can get them to flower and keep their health as good as they are now threw the whole grow we could change led growing and its rep for small bud and yield. the more we mess with these lights the better we will get with growing with them. cheers brother because i think ur about to change led growing!
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re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun
I've been thinking the same thing, although I'm not sure that the metabolic rate of the plants with these higher-powered LED lights is all that much different.
If it was, I don't think Irish's last harvest would have turned out the way it did. Those plants didn't finish late.
I haven't noticed any yellowing at all on the LR2's, but I did have some on the two Violator Kush crosses that I'm also growing out in the same style pots with OC+.
I was even more conservative in dosing their containers with the prills, and their growth slowed and they turned light green. I top-dressed the pots with an additional Tbsp, watered them down, and they greened right up in a couple hours.
Next time I use it in soilless media, I think I'll start out with 1.5 Tbsp per gallon, so 4 Tbsp for a 3-gallon pot.
As you've been doing, I'm looking forward to running both soil and hempy pots with the OC+ to compare the results.
So, the only deficiencies I've had thus far have been as a result of me being overly conservative and cautious.
As I mentioned in another post, I think the application rates for soilless media need to be higher than for soil.
I've been thinking the same thing, although I'm not sure that the metabolic rate of the plants with these higher-powered LED lights is all that much different.
If it was, I don't think Irish's last harvest would have turned out the way it did. Those plants didn't finish late.
I haven't noticed any yellowing at all on the LR2's, but I did have some on the two Violator Kush crosses that I'm also growing out in the same style pots with OC+.
I was even more conservative in dosing their containers with the prills, and their growth slowed and they turned light green. I top-dressed the pots with an additional Tbsp, watered them down, and they greened right up in a couple hours.
Next time I use it in soilless media, I think I'll start out with 1.5 Tbsp per gallon, so 4 Tbsp for a 3-gallon pot.
As you've been doing, I'm looking forward to running both soil and hempy pots with the OC+ to compare the results.
So, the only deficiencies I've had thus far have been as a result of me being overly conservative and cautious.
As I mentioned in another post, I think the application rates for soilless media need to be higher than for soil.
re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun
I have not honestly read enough about ruderalis i think its more on some experiment type thing when you decide to grow these strains. I always read Indica and Sativa mainly and rarely see ruderalis or the AF. Good to know about the more light hours the better for flowering which is why i can see the AF being not a bad choice because perhaps more yield? When I said asexual reproduction im talking about more like an insect, trying to draw a parallel because it is not quite the norm. Like nature would not produce an AF strain so its human intervention where as it does make an organism that can reproduce without help.
fftopic: but thats just me rambling
I have not honestly read enough about ruderalis i think its more on some experiment type thing when you decide to grow these strains. I always read Indica and Sativa mainly and rarely see ruderalis or the AF. Good to know about the more light hours the better for flowering which is why i can see the AF being not a bad choice because perhaps more yield? When I said asexual reproduction im talking about more like an insect, trying to draw a parallel because it is not quite the norm. Like nature would not produce an AF strain so its human intervention where as it does make an organism that can reproduce without help.
fftopic: but thats just me rambling - Thread starter
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re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun
I can't think of a good way to use it with DWC systems, but it should work OK with ebb and flow tables and buckets unless I'm missing something.
For the ease of use and the cost, it's worth a shot, but you know, it also just might grow nicer plants than a lot of what we've been throwing at them for a lot more money.
OMM!!!
so nice to see you bro
you're right, #7 is what drives everything.
I would love to see how the OC+ works in coco
I'm sorry sir, but we are at max viewer capacity. We had room, but several of the viewers have been indulging their munchies rather liberally, so..............
brother!
I've thought about that possibility, but lowryders tend to look a little dark, so it would be hard to tell by color. I did lots more reading today on LR2's and flowering, and it seems lots of them don't start until they're older than 30 days, so the seed bank estimates, as usual, are a bit optimistic.
It was reassuring to read, and I'm going to hold off and see what happens.
thanks Tor, glad you're here
I've heard of micropropagation, but know little to nothing.
Do you have to be a micro Propa Gator to use those tiny little instruments?
I can't think of a good way to use it with DWC systems, but it should work OK with ebb and flow tables and buckets unless I'm missing something.
Home Depot..... I gotta try this stuff..
For the ease of use and the cost, it's worth a shot, but you know, it also just might grow nicer plants than a lot of what we've been throwing at them for a lot more money.
So here's where you are Sun Better late than never. Looks like your typical grow. Wonderful!
OMM!!!
so nice to see you bro
#7 ? Looks like #1 to me.
Now you have my attention. My HoDePo shopping list just now gained an item.
Looks like I can do a cage run with a dollars' worth of prills. And tapwater.
Could this save enough to buy a fancy LED toplight? Or two
you're right, #7 is what drives everything.
I would love to see how the OC+ works in coco
You don't mind one more viewer, do you?
Overabundance of nitrogen?
I'm sorry sir, but we are at max viewer capacity. We had room, but several of the viewers have been indulging their munchies rather liberally, so..............
brother!I've thought about that possibility, but lowryders tend to look a little dark, so it would be hard to tell by color. I did lots more reading today on LR2's and flowering, and it seems lots of them don't start until they're older than 30 days, so the seed bank estimates, as usual, are a bit optimistic.
It was reassuring to read, and I'm going to hold off and see what happens.
thanks Tor, glad you're here
I've heard of micropropagation, but know little to nothing.
Do you have to be a micro Propa Gator to use those tiny little instruments?
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re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun
Nature did produce the feral ruderalis, which is a landrace strain in Russia that grows wild and has very little THC.
Breeders crossed this natural auto-flowering strain with strains much higher in THC, to create a plant that auto-flowers and has higher THC levels.
Nature produced an AF strain because it's an adaptation that allows survival in short cool summers.
I have not honestly read enough about ruderalis i think its more on some experiment type thing when you decide to grow these strains. I always read Indica and Sativa mainly and rarely see ruderalis or the AF. Good to know about the more light hours the better for flowering which is why i can see the AF being not a bad choice because perhaps more yield? When I said asexual reproduction im talking about more like an insect, trying to draw a parallel because it is not quite the norm. Like nature would not produce an AF strain so its human intervention where as it does make an organism that can reproduce without help.
Nature did produce the feral ruderalis, which is a landrace strain in Russia that grows wild and has very little THC.
Breeders crossed this natural auto-flowering strain with strains much higher in THC, to create a plant that auto-flowers and has higher THC levels.
Nature produced an AF strain because it's an adaptation that allows survival in short cool summers.
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re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun
I can't believe that I am so late to game on this thread! Sitting back and soaking it in.
I can't believe that I am so late to game on this thread! Sitting back and soaking it in.
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re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun
I'll take another pic of it in a couple of weeks so we can see any progress.
nice to meet you grandaddie
thank you
Wow Setting Sun, the trunk on that thing is RIDICULOUS.
Awesome post a few up to, very thorough.
I'll take another pic of it in a couple of weeks so we can see any progress.
nice to meet you grandaddie
thank you
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re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun
welcome bro!
glad you're here and soaking it in, but please add any insights into growing with LED's, or anything else for that matter
I can't believe that I am so late to game on this thread! Sitting back and soaking it in.
welcome bro!
glad you're here and soaking it in, but please add any insights into growing with LED's, or anything else for that matter
re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun
Well, here's what I was thinking when I said that:
1.)normally the plant would be in flower and you expressed concern about the height. Solution: 12/12
2.)You want to get this grow over and move on to the next one: flip
3.)Even auto's can have recessive genetics and might need the photoperiod to stimulate flowering hormones.....flip 'em.
4.)the size of the pots don't seem huge....if you let them grow out too much, you're going to be watering daily to twice a day!
etc.
Well, here's what I was thinking when I said that:
1.)normally the plant would be in flower and you expressed concern about the height. Solution: 12/12
2.)You want to get this grow over and move on to the next one: flip
3.)Even auto's can have recessive genetics and might need the photoperiod to stimulate flowering hormones.....flip 'em.
4.)the size of the pots don't seem huge....if you let them grow out too much, you're going to be watering daily to twice a day!
etc.
grandaddie77
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re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun
Nice to meet you too Setting Sun, Awesome thread and Grow. +Rep
Nice to meet you too Setting Sun, Awesome thread and Grow.
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