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re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun

Here they are at 33 days.

Still not flowering, but they sure look ready. I'm reassured by reading several LR2 journals where flowering occurred later than advertised, so I'm going to wait a bit longer before flipping them myself.

These were genuine Joint Doctor's LR2 beans in the original breeder pack, so they are the real deal, just taking their time getting dressed for the ball.

The air stones *do* make a significant difference. They were kind of a pain when I had to move the pots, so I just left them out for a few days and the plants weren't as happy. After putting them back, I also experimented with just running them in one or two of the pots and comparing the bubbled pots versus without.

The plants are perkier with the bubbles and growth is faster. I was sorta hoping they didn't make any difference so I didn't have to hassle with them, but you'll see them back in these pics because I think the amount of hassle is probably worth it. It's really not that much additional work.



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I really like this last pic. It shows the exuberance and personality of this strain. That's the one in the back in the tent pics with all three. She was late in sprouting and somewhat of a runt for a while, but now has turned into a little butterball, so that's what I'm calling her because she's round like a basketball. She must be a slightly different pheno and has always had a different branching pattern than her more conventional-looking sisters, whom I have named Perky and Halfway.

I only give plants names that have shown enough personality to have named themselves. Autos have never gone nameless.

The breeder says I can drop the light schedule to 16/8 without sacrificing yield, so I will do that tonight. Maybe the extra couple hours of sleep will help push them along into flowerville.

:thanks:
 
re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun

Well, here's what I was thinking when I said that:

1.)normally the plant would be in flower and you expressed concern about the height. Solution: 12/12
2.)You want to get this grow over and move on to the next one: flip
3.)Even auto's can have recessive genetics and might need the photoperiod to stimulate flowering hormones.....flip 'em.
4.)the size of the pots don't seem huge....if you let them grow out too much, you're going to be watering daily to twice a day!

etc.


Thanks doc, I appreciate you taking the time to elaborate.

I'll address your points and express my thoughts.

1. It wasn't so much concern over their height, but rather surprise, since they are only supposed to get about 14" tall, and these are 12-14" and haven't flowered yet. I have the headroom and I'm pretty sure I have the penetration to finish 30" plants, so I'm not worried about the stretch from that perspective, just looking forward to some hopefully larger than average LR2's when they're done.

2. I am very excited and looking forward to the next grow, but these girls have done right by me so far, so I want to do right by them and go for max yield. Both they and I deserve it ;).

3. That's true, some autos just won't auto and you have to flip them, but I'm going to reserve that option for a few more days.

4. The pots are really pretty big at 3-gallons. I don't think I will have to water them more than every other day even if they double in size from now, but if that becomes an issue, I'll just put all the pots inside a tub and fill the tub just a bit over the level of the hole, then place the air stones in the tub to keep things aerated and fresh.

thanks again doc, I appreciate your thoughts and writing mine down always helps clarify things in my head, which I'm getting ready to medicate before going hunting for the mighty and delicious barred surf perch ;).
 
re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun

Here they are at 33 days.

Still not flowering, but they sure look ready. I'm reassured by reading several LR2 journals where flowering occurred later than advertised, so I'm going to wait a bit longer before flipping them myself.

These were genuine Joint Doctor's LR2 beans in the original breeder pack, so they are the real deal, just taking their time getting dressed for the ball.

The air stones *do* make a significant difference. They were kind of a pain when I had to move the pots, so I just left them out for a few days and the plants weren't as happy. After putting them back, I also experimented with just running them in one or two of the pots and comparing the bubbled pots versus without.

The plants are perkier with the bubbles and growth is faster. I was sorta hoping they didn't make any difference so I didn't have to hassle with them, but you'll see them back in these pics because I think the amount of hassle is probably worth it. It's really not that much additional work.



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I really like this last pic. It shows the exuberance and personality of this strain. That's the one in the back in the tent pics with all three. She was late in sprouting and somewhat of a runt for a while, but now has turned into a little butterball, so that's what I'm calling her because she's round like a basketball. She must be a slightly different pheno and has always had a different branching pattern than her more conventional-looking sisters, whom I have named Perky and Halfway.

I only give plants names that have shown enough personality to have named themselves. Autos have never gone nameless.

The breeder says I can drop the light schedule to 16/8 without sacrificing yield, so I will do that tonight. Maybe the extra couple hours of sleep will help push them along into flowerville.

:thanks:

i cant wait to see how this turns out? those girls are stacked! very healthy looking plants brother. :welldone:
 
re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun

Great question.

I think the answer depends on just how "auto" my plants are.

The AF trait is recessive, and some seeds sold as "autos" don't have the AF trait.

If the plants have the AF trait and are just late in flowering, I think they could be bumped into flowering by going 16/8 or 12/12, and then once they're flowering change the schedule to 24/0, or any other schedule, and they would do OK.

On the other hand, if they don't have the AF trait, switching from 12/12 to longer days would throw them back into veg and really mess things up.

Unfortunately, there's no way for me to know if they are AF plants or not at this point, so I wouldn't risk it once they started flowering. I would just keep them at 12/12 until harvest.



If they have the AF trait, you can basically flower them at any light schedule you want, but too short a day would produce small plants, and 24 hours of light does not seem to do better than 18/6 or 20/4 with autos.

Hope that makes some sense.
 
re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun

Great question.

I think the answer depends on just how "auto" my plants are.

The AF trait is recessive, and some seeds sold as "autos" don't have the AF trait.

If the plants have the AF trait and are just late in flowering, I think they could be bumped into flowering by going 16/8 or 12/12, and then once they're flowering change the schedule to 24/0, or any other schedule, and they would do OK.

On the other hand, if they don't have the AF trait, switching from 12/12 to longer days would throw them back into veg and really mess things up.

Unfortunately, there's no way for me to know if they are AF plants or not at this point, so I wouldn't risk it once they started flowering. I would just keep them at 12/12 until harvest.



If they have the AF trait, you can basically flower them at any light schedule you want, but too short a day would produce small plants, and 24 hours of light does not seem to do better than 18/6 or 20/4 with autos.

Hope that makes some sense.

It does! Thanks. I have been considering AF's for future grows and was wondering about the light schedules. :thankyou:
 
re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun

Hey setting sun, I been following all your grows and first and foremost you have my respect, my hat goes off to all your effort and dedication!

If for one know times get irritating when things don't go as plan. I look at your situation like this. Though LED technology has been around for a little bit now, your still pioneer in your endeavor . What am implying is your probably one of the very first or few at best, in the world to grow an auto strain with LED, and not just any LED, an LED from GLH.

You have a lot of first attempted techniques going on here. Not to mention your medium, those fancy air stones, and your nutrients. For some reason it does not surprise me your plants are doing what they're doing...because you may very well be the first to put this strain in this type of environment.

All the information you have regarding your strain from the breeder was probably more than likely generated using HPS. So the benchmark and standard set in place from the breeder in entirely different then what you have going on. Thats what pioneers do, recreate the benchmark and establish new standards.

Good work sun, yet another beautiful grow.
 
re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun

It does! Thanks. I have been considering AF's for future grows and was wondering about the light schedules. :thankyou:

you're welcome bro,

I may grow something like diesel ryder or some other sativa-dominant auto in the future.

They are fascinating plants, fun to grow, and both yield and potency continue to improve.
 
re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun

I think your plants are abnormally large because:

1.)you're growing them in perlite
2.)You're using a non-jackass nutrient---Osmocote Plus
3.)you know what you're doing.


I think this 300w GLH LED light is a factor also.

Everything is working together very harmoniously, as we were talking about a few posts ago.
 
re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun

Hey setting sun, I been following all your grows and first and foremost you have my respect, my hat goes off to all your effort and dedication!

If for one know times get irritating when things don't go as plan. I look at your situation like this. Though LED technology has been around for a little bit now, your still pioneer in your endeavor . What am implying is your probably one of the very first or few at best, in the world to grow an auto strain with LED, and not just any LED, an LED from GLH.

You have a lot of first attempted techniques going on here. Not to mention your medium, those fancy air stones, and your nutrients. For some reason it does not surprise me your plants are doing what they're doing...because you may very well be the first to put this strain in this type of environment.

All the information you have regarding your strain from the breeder was probably more than likely generated using HPS. So the benchmark and standard set in place from the breeder in entirely different then what you have going on. Thats what pioneers do, recreate the benchmark and establish new standards.

Good work sun, yet another beautiful grow.


Very kind and encouraging words LED-FREAK, thank you.

It's very tempting to play it safe and continue to grow with soil, which I'm comfortable with, familiar nutrients, and familiar lighting technology, but I'm so glad I didn't ;).

What you're saying makes a lot of sense too. This grow environment is no doubt quite different from what the breeder must have used to gather data, so it shouldn't be surprising that the plants behave differently.

thanks again brother ;)
 
re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun

Bad news, and possibly some good news.


One of the plants is a male. The one I named Halfway.

He showed sex today. I was completely taken aback. Sat there staring at those balls in disbelief and denial for several minutes. Not because these were fem seeds, because that happens sometimes (and seems to be happening more lately), but because this plant looks *nothing* like a male. It's not the tallest and it *is* the bushiest. There is nothing about this plant that would make you even begin to suspect it was male, until today.


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So, we're down to Perky and Butterball.

The possible good news is that males generally show first and Perky and Butterball still haven't showed, so that increases the chances of them being female, which is something I shouldn't even be trippin' on with fem seeds, but that's life.

It also increase the chances of them also having the AF trait, so I will keep them on 18/6, and hopefully they'll both be girls.

Halfway will be banished to out behind my garden shed. I'm going to let him grow and then harvest some pollen.

He's a *very* nice chunky male and definitely carries the AF trait, so while I'm not exactly happy he turned out male, I'm very happy I will have some good AF'ing LR2 genes in the fridge.

Never a dull moment.

;)
 
re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun

He's a *very* nice chunky male and definitely carries the AF trait, so while I'm not exactly happy he turned out male, I'm very happy I will have some good AF'ing LR2 genes in the fridge.
Halfway the Yin Yang. :cheertwo:
 
re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun

Hey sun I have a question. I am no pro when it comes to breeding but sense you had a feminized seed go hermie does the mean the mother that passed the genetics had a dominant hermie characteristic?

From what I think I know, when you make feminized seeds you want to promote stress on a real strong pheno to induce a hermaphrodite sex. Does that mean the plant which was used to make your fem seeds had an underlying hermie genotype that the breeder didnt account for which is why it passed to your fem seed? Fem seeds that hermie under normal conditions I thought were a combination of bad breeding and or bad genetics?
 
re: 420 Consumer Reports - GrowLEDHydro Spectra 300w LED / Lowryder II by Setting Sun

This plant has no female flowers, it's a male through and through.

I'm no pro when it comes to breeding either, but as far as I know, when you make fem seeds by self-pollinating or pollinating other females with pollen from stressed females, all the seeds should turn out female, which does make me wonder if Halfway was a reg seed that got put in the wrong pack, or if there is still some degree of sexual determination that hasn't been fully determined with "fem" seeds.

But yeah, any female that exhibits that trait without much stress would be very undesirable from a breeding standpoint.
 
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