1st Hydro - LED Grow With Crop King White Widow From Seed

[Bamalabrat]

Thanks for that FE. I am only at 1100ppm at the moment. So I figure I can go up another 300 with out hurting. I keep it a little low because if they decide to start guzzling the water again the ppm will spike on me like it did early last week. That is why there is some slight burn on some of the older leaves. I just did not check it in time. So now I am checking about 3 or 4 times a day.

 

[Far East Buds]

Thanks for that FE. I am only at 1100ppm at the moment. So I figure I can go up another 300 with out hurting. I keep it a little low because if they decide to start guzzling the water again the ppm will spike on me like it did early last week. That is why there is some slight burn on some of the older leaves. I just did not check it in time. So now I am checking about 3 or 4 times a day.

3-4 a day? your attention to detail is dedicated... Don't burn yourself out... Just follow the patterns I just do once a day unless i add water then i follow up again later.. 1500 as I mentioned was what i considered peak but the last strain i ran was poop and didn't like 1200 at all. But you remember she was really bad off..
Funny thinking back to it.. I was such a noob! Still am but I am a little less of one.. lol Your first is looking great bro keep it up. When you have a bunch of glass jars full and I know you will. You will grow the next batch 75 % more relaxed.. Trust me!

The plants will feel it and reward you...ok don't trust me on that part. They won't give a shit. Feed em they will grow!

Have a good night Bro!




FE

 

[Bamalabrat]

3-4 a day? your attention to detail is dedicated... Don't burn yourself out...
The plants will feel it and reward you...ok don't trust me on that part. They won't give a shit. Feed em they will grow!
Have a good night Bro!

FE

I go out to the grow to get some alone time away from wife, kids, jehova's witnesses, you know annoying things. While I am there I break out my turkey baster and pull a sample of water and test it for pH and PPM. All while I am smoking a cigarette. When finished I put everything back in order and go back to being super Labrat! LOL
They had better feel my love and attention and then reward me, if not it will be a wood chipper instead of pruning scissors!
Have a good night bro.

 

[Bamalabrat]

Ok, so I was reading around and trying to find an example of someone using a dehumidifier in the drying room. I did not find anything. Has anyone tried this? Is it useful or harmful to the buds? It seems like it would be very useful. The risk of bud rot would be almost completely eliminated and the drying process seems like it would be shortened with out having to raise the temps of the drying space. My drying space will be indoors in a tent. The temp will be ~68 - 70 degrees and no light. With the dehumidifier the rh should be <10%. I have read that certain oils in cannabis start to evaporate at 80 degrees and that is why a quick dry is so bad for your buds. Those terpines are what gives the flavor profile to the buds. At higher degrees you start to lose CBD and CBN and then the trics. So we all know that a low temp drying is the best practice, and of course low humidity. But, with super low humidity is there any negative affects to the quality of the bud?
This is just something that i was thinking of.

 

[Bamalabrat]

And another thing, lol, if you have not read The Roach's clone guide using a fogger machine, you should. That thing is wicked cool. This close to Halloween, I should have picked up a fogger and used that while I was cloning. Such a cool/fun idea that makes perfect sense, but is not obvious to do it. A $12 tub or 5 bucket and then a fogger machine (and those are not expensive either) and you have a great little cloner.

 

[Hozona]

I use GH Rapid Start in the cloner for root development. After a week you should see

GOOD STUFF

 

[Far East Buds]

Ok, so I was reading around and trying to find an example of someone using a dehumidifier in the drying room. I did not find anything. Has anyone tried this? Is it useful or harmful to the buds? It seems like it would be very useful. The risk of bud rot would be almost completely eliminated and the drying process seems like it would be shortened with out having to raise the temps of the drying space. My drying space will be indoors in a tent. The temp will be ~68 - 70 degrees and no light. With the dehumidifier the rh should be <10%. I have read that certain oils in cannabis start to evaporate at 80 degrees and that is why a quick dry is so bad for your buds. Those terpines are what gives the flavor profile to the buds. At higher degrees you start to lose CBD and CBN and then the trics. So we all know that a low temp drying is the best practice, and of course low humidity. But, with super low humidity is there any negative affects to the quality of the bud?
This is just something that i was thinking of.

Very foggy myself this morning....

I read that yes on the fogger and yup was soo close to making one... I think the fogger etc are still in my Amazon wish list.. lol I just thought since I do DWC everything I would stick with the super simple bubbler. I did love the fogger design and someday... That or aeroponic one next. Just that damn bubbler is so simple and works is all. I had all the crap around but the tubs really.

Do some more drying curing research. I think too low of humidity dries the outer of the bud and it can't dry the inner as fast and will be crispy outside wet inside. I was super cautious when hanging to keep humidity in the 50 range but had it more like 70 (my flowering plant was right next to them) The key was even drying if i recall but for some reason i have horrible short term memory. 4 days vs 8 is nothing when you have put 12-13 weeks in the plant at minimum. Slow dry gives better quicker cure Is something I do remember from all my research. The slower the better but too slow will promote mold so there is a balance. a week seems to be about right and was for me too. Then i pulled 1 oz to smoke uncured but my bud really only cured recently.. gained some flavor and almost no more hay smell when i open the jars...(5? weeks?)

Dehumidifier in a room for normal use I tried.. heat sucked... but i debated venting the heat out (tape vent hose to it) but didn't do the research to see if it would still be effective. I was mostly light playing and testing to see the heat results. Mine is right outside room now. But I do run weird humidity and have been not satisfied as of yet.


Keep up the good work bro! A pleasure reading your journal.



FE

 

[Bamalabrat]

Thanks for that pic Hozona. That is inspiration.

FE I was thinking that it might be a problem with the outside getting crispy while the inside remain wet. Your right about taking the time after 3 - 4 months of work during the drying. No since in rushing it the very end.

I am glad to hear that the cure fixed the hay taste. Did the trics continue to mature while curing? have you looked at them with a scope? Something that I am curious about.

 

[Bamalabrat]

Update day 7 of Flower
Ok had a bit of a problem this morning. I like to sleep in on the weekends if I can so I was not in the grow when lights came on. When I went to it an hour and half after lights on, the lights were not on. Nothing was on. Checked the breaker and then the GFE in the outlet for the grow. The circuit had tripped. I had added a small space heater to keep the temps stable overnight. We are dropping down to the high 30's overnight now.
So this is not good. I may have to figure something out because I still have at a least one more light to add. If I have to add another circuit that is going to be a problem.
The girls look really good. The clones are looking really good. The flowers smell pretty nice still. More of a fresh minty or menthol than anything else. So other than electrical issues, everything is good. I took some pics of the tent. It has been 2 days since the last set. I am having a hard time getting them to fit into the shot. But you get the idea when looking at them. There is so much overlap from the big girls onto their neighbors that some of the plants are in multiple shots. Anyway here are the pics.
First up are the Tuts. PPP1 is also in the shot.

Next up are the PPP. Starting with PPP1 and 2.

And now the WW. They are big.

And here is a side pic of the PPP1 and Tut2

 

[OldMedUser]

Looking great so far Bama!

Ought to be busting out in flowers any day now.

I leave the grow nutes in and just add a 50% dose of bloom until the stretch is over then switch to full bloom nutes. They still can use a lot of N during the stretch. After the stretch you want to restrict the N or it inhibits flowering. I'm getting the 3-part nutes next time I stock up so I can cut out the Grow portion later in flowering and better restrict N than I can using the Connie.

I got no plants in my grow room now so I need to clean out my 12 hole tub and get some cuttings into it to get some shizz happening in there. Will need to start another journal I guess.

 

[Bamalabrat]

OMU! I am very glad to see you back online. I hope you are feeling well and everything. Yeah if the grow room is empty then why not do some deep cleaning?
I plan on putting in some more grow nutes this week. As well as increase the supplements as well. I am starting to push the PPM a little at a time to see where the girls push back. This morning the PPM was 1240 I added a gallon of water. I think I need to add another gallon and I will. Then I will take a ppm reading again and see where I am. I will then probably add 60 mL of each of the supplements and see what I see.
Seriously good to have you back. You missed out on my first week of flower. But I am sure you already caught up on that. I am pretty pleased with myself for not having screwed it up yet. Now that your back, I am even more confident.

 

[Far East Buds]

Sounds like I have said this already but great job Bama. Things are still looking fabulous as they should.

Your scrog net.... You could be tieing down the tall ones and making them side grow into another square.... That is how i kept my scrog all within a few inches height. I would lst them with tie downs to another square and then let it get it's vertical grow going then. So the others could gain vertical while it went sideways and the lower ones would catch up. Looks like shit but very effective. tops are very flexible... lower stem is breakable so bend the tops. just an idea to even things out for you... This is my version of sea of green

Looking awesome bro. Keep it up!



FE

 

[Far East Buds]

If you think your plants have used all the cal mag in the res or something but PPm's are high then empty your res..(just the 5 gal overflow) add ph'd water and new cal mag etc but low on other stuff. that way the ppm wont be 1500 when you add more and more cal mag etc... just an idea if you haven't thought of it ...

FE

 

[Bamalabrat]

The plants drink a lot of water so the PPM's spike a little. I add water back to original level and the ppm's have dropped. That is why I keep adding a splash of this or that. I also noticed that by adding a little Calmag every three days, the leaves on the plants look better. They seem to be thicker and so do the branches. Once I get the RO filter next week, I will follow the feed chart. I will have an extra 150 ppm to not have to worry about and will be able to more accurately see what the plants are uptaking on a daily basis.

As an experiment this morning, I turned off my exhaust fan. I wanted to see what the humidity and temp did. I did this to get an idea of what would happen so if it did not get too hot I could think about using CO2. Well the temp did not spike too bad. It only went up 8 degrees to 81F. However the humidity spiked from 48% to 89%. So now I know where all of the water is going. I really like Sciguy's CO2 experiment and believe him when he says that the CO2 should really increase yield and plant growth. I will open a vent at the top of the tent and move a fan up there to see if that will help control the humidity tomorrow. Also I have a dehumidifier on the way. So with that I should be able to keep humidity down and use the CO2. I will probably only have a couple of weeks to use it. They will already be 2 weeks into flower when all of these goodies get here. So that might only give me 4 weeks of CO2 as a beni for this grow. But I will take it.

Once I throw the other light in the tent I will be pulling 960 true watts. A lot of journals on this site show really good and talented growers only getting .5 - 1 gram/watt for a yield. I would love to get 1 gram/watt my first time out but I am really shooting for more than that. I do not know why most people are bound by wattage. There are references in the journals I have read that say a few people have achieved much more than a gram/watt. I remember in Icemud's journal they talked about someone who had 5 grams/watts. But I have never read or heard why the watts would be that big of a limiting factor. Of course par and spectrum are important, but if you have the right spectrum, and I do, and a strong par footprint, which I will, then why can you not get more than the 1 gram/watt?

I will be putting my second net up after I place my third light. I will then be very aggressive with spreading the tall tops out to even the canopy more. Ideally I would not have more than 3 inches of variance. That is probably a lost cause on this grow, but that really will be my goal on the next. Also on this grow I will get a sense of what I can produce. That will be the starting point that I will try to smash on the next grow.

For the clones I have been using the clonex solution, not the gel. I did a res change on it today and did not add any clonex. I added the Canna nutes supplement called start. I also only added 20 mL of it. I will add more once all of the clones have an inch of roots. I really am excited to get started on them. I want to try LA's fluxing on the clones while they are in veg. They will be getting a long veg period while the tent finishes with the current flowers. So I should have plenty of time to grow these little clones into really weird looking shapes. But that will give me incredible branches and just an exciting amount of tops. Ideally they will not be more than 10 inches high when they go into the flower tent but they will have crosed the top of the bucket 2 or 3 times. We will see. Or I could get frustrated with it and just say F@#* it. lol

 

[StillANoob]

Finally caught up, this journal is a great read! It has mystery, drama, suspense and now it's going towards a happy ending...

Keep up the good work Bama

 

[Bamalabrat]

Welcome aboard StillANoob! I am sorry you had to read through so many pages to get caught up. I tend to over post and ramble a lot. You make it sound very exciting and I am glad you enjoyed it.

Well I popped over to Icemud's journal last night and asked him about the whole gram/watt thing. His answering post is very informative. If anyone has ever wondered about light and growth you should check that out.

 

[Bamalabrat]

Update day 8 of Flower:
Well the clones looked like crap shortly after I changed the tub yesterday. I did not put enough water in it. So last night I added more water to it and now they look a whole lot better. Just to clarify, I have them on a 18/6 light cycle. I will give them another splash of Canna Start tomorrow. That stuff was amazing when I was germinating seeds this summer, so I figure it will be amazing for the clones as well.

The flowering tent looks great. I am very close to going wall to wall in the WW/PPP half of the tent. Also the WW just stretched it's butt off. It is about 4 inches from the light so I have bent it down. I will go get some wire today and start trying to tie them down a little. I am waiting until I get the new light before I put the second screen up. I am not sure that I will put the second screen up now. My canopy is all over the place now. I should have been more aggressive with the training the last two weeks.

I had to add 2 more gallons of water last night. I will probably be adding another three gallons today. That seems to be about the normal right now. So all in all everything seems to be going well. Thanks everyone for following along. I did not post pics today because I really did not think that they looked very different today than yesterday. If everyone says they want pics then I will go take some. LOL

 

[Far East Buds]

Update day 8 of Flower:
Well the clones looked like crap shortly after I changed the tub yesterday. I did not put enough water in it. So last night I added more water to it and now they look a whole lot better. Just to clarify, I have them on a 18/6 light cycle. I will give them another splash of Canna Start tomorrow. That stuff was amazing when I was germinating seeds this summer, so I figure it will be amazing for the clones as well.

The flowering tent looks great. I am very close to going wall to wall in the WW/PPP half of the tent. Also the WW just stretched it's butt off. It is about 4 inches from the light so I have bent it down. I will go get some wire today and start trying to tie them down a little. I am waiting until I get the new light before I put the second screen up. I am not sure that I will put the second screen up now. My canopy is all over the place now. I should have been more aggressive with the training the last two weeks.

I had to add 2 more gallons of water last night. I will probably be adding another three gallons today. That seems to be about the normal right now. So all in all everything seems to be going well. Thanks everyone for following along. I did not post pics today because I really did not think that they looked very different today than yesterday. If everyone says they want pics then I will go take some. LOL

You are at the right time to LST the scrog.. The next 2-3 weeks... I didn't even start the scrogging until .. I forget but far after this... The top of plant is very flexible. I found a method i like. I got the green gardners rubber twine. I make a u on each end and kinda gently hook it and lean it down but mine where layed down on top of the scrog net and I hooked it like that as it kept stretching to keep it across. under might be better though as i think of it. You might be able to pull stems down more if the are under net. But side growing things stayed pretty much flat. Every side shoot became a cola...

Lot's of ways to do it but yah I do think you should.... What ever you think... Sorry to post a pic on your page... not even a good one.. lol

Your plants will fill your whole tent in a week or two tops... Then let them reach for the lights.

I think you may need a bigger tent soon...



FE

 

[Bamalabrat]

lol. Bigger tent. I try to get a bigger tent or another and I will need a good divorce lawyer. Or so my wife says.
I am going to start the lst training with the tie downs. I will try to get the canopy more even. It was surprising how fast they grew this past week. I did not think that they were supposed to explode up like that until the second week really. But live and learn.

Right now I am thinking of cleaning up the bottom 4 inches or so of the plant. The only thing holding me back is I am thinking I may want to hold off until I get the new light set up. Some stuff at the bottom might take off once the new light is on. We will see.

 

[cogreen]

lol. Bigger tent. I try to get a bigger tent or another and I will need a good divorce lawyer. Or so my wife says.

that one made lol... I'm in the same boat I think brother!