1st Hydro - LED Grow With Crop King White Widow From Seed

[jojo677]

Ok, so I was reading around and trying to find an example of someone using a dehumidifier in the drying room. I did not find anything. Has anyone tried this? Is it useful or harmful to the buds? It seems like it would be very useful. The risk of bud rot would be almost completely eliminated and the drying process seems like it would be shortened with out having to raise the temps of the drying space. My drying space will be indoors in a tent. The temp will be ~68 - 70 degrees and no light. With the dehumidifier the rh should be <10%. I have read that certain oils in cannabis start to evaporate at 80 degrees and that is why a quick dry is so bad for your buds. Those terpines are what gives the flavor profile to the buds. At higher degrees you start to lose CBD and CBN and then the trics. So we all know that a low temp drying is the best practice, and of course low humidity. But, with super low humidity is there any negative affects to the quality of the bud?
This is just something that i was thinking of.

As I understand it, you want your bud to dry as slowly as possible to achieve consistent bud humidity, but slowly enough that mold/fungus doesn't become an issue. I think the downside of drying quickly is that the outside of the bud dries too quickly, and even though it can be rehydrated, it won't cure properly. So by drying slowly, you keep everything moist enough that none of your bud goes below whatever good cure-threshold humidity is bad for it. I have no idea what that is, or if my understanding of curing is correct, but that's what I've heard. Most people like ending up with bud in the 58-62% RH range after curing, so wouldn't you want to dry at something close to that? Then lower it ever further after jarring by burping the jars?

Good questions Bama!

Right now I am thinking of cleaning up the bottom 4 inches or so of the plant. The only thing holding me back is I am thinking I may want to hold off until I get the new light set up. Some stuff at the bottom might take off once the new light is on. We will see.

I know the feeling, and it's tough to fight! Just remember that you'll probably set their growth back a bit each time you trim them. I think most people wait until 15-21 days of flower to do their first defoliation/trim, as that's when the stretch slows before budding picks up. I really don't know what the effects of trimming earlier are, though... Shorter/denser growth? Lower yields? It looks like your plants are big enough that you probably don't need to worry though!

 

[sciguy]

Lookin good bama!

 

[Bamalabrat]

Thanks Cogreen. I am glad I am not the only one.

Thanks for the feed back and good vibes JoJo. I appreciate it. I am thinking that you are probably right about drying out too fast if I use the dehumidifier. Will probably just leave that in the flower tent. Yes the feeling of wanting to do something in the tent is strong. lol. I will refrain from doing anything just yet. I have a lot of goodies coming this week to add to the tent and will wait until after next weekend to decide what to do about trimming.

Thanks Sciguy! I wish for a scratch and sniff monitors sometimes when people are describing the smell of their grows. I wish you guys could smell this grow. It really has a strong minty smell with something not quite pleasant in the background. lol The best way I know how to describe it. I would love to be able to smell FE's PC that he has growing.

Anywho, I was going to take a look at the ladies before lights out but, I was a little too late. LOL. The clones have not fully recovered but the ones that have not yet popped roots are very close. They have little bumps all over the base of the stem and some even have little white bumps. So they will be popping this week. I now really wish I had not culled the one little clone. Could have had a 100% success rate with my clone attempt and using FE's cloner setup.

I am anxious for the clones to get to the seedling stage so I can start vegging them. I really want to try my hand at fluxing. lol It will be fun to try this and because of the long veg period if I screw up I will have time to recover. So that helps with feeling pretty confident about it. Have a good night guys.

 

[Far East Buds]

62 % humidity is ideal and a company ?boveda ? make humidity packs you pop into curing jars to keep humidity perfect. I think it is designed for long term storage too.. Yah jojo nailed it as i know it.

I am way way past that point on Defol and i am only considering "some" now.. but only because it became real tight for me now. week 5. If it is still getting light i want it on there. Only reason I am getting rid of some soon is because I do want to make sure some air gets under the canopy. And they really are buried now... Remember though i did take about 10-20 lower leaves as i went in very slow fashion.. Just letting you know what was up with it for me as i know we run similar stuff sorta.

Agreed as well your plants are robust and you will probably not see much for a slow down due to that. Keep all readings in balance and you would be shocked what you could do to them as far as HST ,LST, Defol etc right now.

 

[Far East Buds]

ROFL you lost one clone? two? you did very well bro.. coulda been not a clean cut... just not a strong limb? You are doing some good stuff bro I am very happy for you...

I really do wish you could smell it... strange part is my carbon ... well 2.. filters make the flower tent pretty boring.. until i get that... urge... to rub a leave... Doh!


Pineapple but sweet... Now here is the weird part about that... The sweet is probably from one of two things.. well many... Pineapple is... plus I am using a lot more bud candy on this run... suppose to add a cotton candyish whatever smell... and last there is a chance the seeds had a cross with bubble gum as I have gotten that from the source before but that would be strictly speculation. 3 seeds in 1 oz could have just been a slight Herm trait as well..

Just an attempt at a description.

I am just as excited for my WW though and it is what you are running on some. I never seem to get sick of smoking it. You are doing a good job on it bro... keep it up!




FE

 

[cogreen]

The plants drink a lot of water so the PPM's spike a little. I add water back to original level and the ppm's have dropped. That is why I keep adding a splash of this or that. I also noticed that by adding a little Calmag every three days, the leaves on the plants look better. They seem to be thicker and so do the branches. Once I get the RO filter next week, I will follow the feed chart. I will have an extra 150 ppm to not have to worry about and will be able to more accurately see what the plants are uptaking on a daily basis.

If I see my PPMs go up and water go down, to me that's a sign that my PPM is too high (e.g. over feeding), and vice-versa. Needless to say whatever you're doing is working well for you (your plants look nice and healthy), and I obviously don't have much experience to say what's good vs bad... Just throwing this info out there as food for thought.

 

[Bamalabrat]

Thanks Cogreen for that observation. I have been thinking that I should see a drop in PPM as my water goes down as well. It has been something I have been thinking about. But I also am only getting to 1300 ppm max even with lower water amounts. So I do not think that I am overfeeding. Probably under feeding it a little but I do not want to burn them. It is something that I am watching closely.

 

[Bamalabrat]

Update 9 days of Flower
Well I took some pics when the lights came on. They look really nice. I have wall to wall on the 4 ft side. I am only 4 inches from having wall to wall on the 8 ft side. I still have a few square feet to grow into in the corners and have no doubt that they will get there. The WW was only 4 inches from the light this morning, so I broke out my garden twine and tied them down to even out the canopy more. Worked like a champ. No broken stems and really opened everything up. Now the tops are kind of bunched up with the side growth. I will be tucking and tieing down things for a while. I took some pics to show the difference. It is pretty cool looking. Ugly but cool.

On the Tut side of the tent I did not tie anything down. They really have not been growing tall on that side for a few days now. I do not know why. However they have been bushing out and that is just as fine in my book. The two smaller PPP's are starving for direct light. The new light should be here tomorrow evening. So as soon as it comes in the middle of the tent will be bright as the sun.

The clones are looking like crap. i guess that is normal. The root nubs on all of the clones are visible but only half have real roots. It has been about 13 days now so hopefully soon they will all have roots and can be feed some veg nutes. I am not feeding them anything but canna start at the moment.

Now for the pics. First up is the clones.

Now for the Tuts

These next shots are of the PPP's

This next shot is the middle of the tent which is all PPP and where the new light is going.

And now some before and after of the WW

 

[sciguy]

Nice and green Bama!

 

[cogreen]

Thanks Cogreen for that observation. I have been thinking that I should see a drop in PPM as my water goes down as well. It has been something I have been thinking about. But I also am only getting to 1300 ppm max even with lower water amounts. So I do not think that I am overfeeding. Probably under feeding it a little but I do not want to burn them. It is something that I am watching closely.

We def have different growing styles, which appear to be working well for both of us... There's no way someone could convince me to up my PPM to 1300 right now The highest I've hit is 650, but then again I've also been defol'ing the shit out of my plants.

It would be interesting to see the impact of our grow styles (e.g. push nutes levels high vs. only upping when PPM goes down with water). Guess we can add that to the many experiments we've discussed already

 

[Bamalabrat]

That would be awesome Cogreen. Honestly that is why I started reading this site and why I am subscribed to the journals that I am. It is so I can learn, grow, and experiment with like minded people. No two ways are right or wrong per se, just different. I say if it is working for you and your happy with it, then there is nothing more to do but enjoy. I am a tinkerer by nature. I just love to see what things will do so long as it does not blow up in my face.

For this grow, as it is my first, I tried to incorporate a few things that people were saying improved yield and quality. Now I just want to get a harvest under my belt. The next run will be a few different things but the basics will stay the same. After that who knows?

Thanks for your inputs. I really appreciate people stopping by and making observations, suggestions and who doesn't like the good vibes for the plants!

 

[VladimirPutin]

Your bud factory is operating at full capacity.

Keep this going and you will be next in line for a promotion Mr. Bam


V

 

[sciguy]

Your bud factory is operating at full capacity.

Keep this going and you will be next in line for a promotion Mr. Bam


V

I second this!

 

[Bamalabrat]

What is this promotion you speak of? From Noob to Novice maybe. lol

 

[Far East Buds]

You became Mister Bam A good sign of respect...

 

[Far East Buds]

If I see my PPMs go up and water go down, to me that's a sign that my PPM is too high (e.g. over feeding), and vice-versa. Needless to say whatever you're doing is working well for you (your plants look nice and healthy), and I obviously don't have much experience to say what's good vs bad... Just throwing this info out there as food for thought.

Now I don't have poop for experience as well but I was under the thought of... The PPM's will rise from it drinking water I thought if transpiration exceeded the nute intake... But if there are no adverse effects then wouldn't it make sense to run sightly above max intake so if plant needs more as it develops it will be there. As long as there is no burn? If you run under it will slow growth. I have never seen my PPM's drop in flower. Only on my second one so maybe it is just my set up.

Good topic Cogreen I am not disagreeing but rather trying to clarify for myself.
Isn't transpiration and water loss a lot related to the humidity and the temp but the nute intake based on the strain and health of plant?
That may say it better ...
At least that is what I thought...
Maybe some vets can clarify it ...

I wanted to say this a couple days ago but really didn't know what i wanted to say...



FE

 

[Bamalabrat]

Udate 10 days of Flower

The flower tent looks awesome. Smells so so. I do not like the stink they are putting out right now. Gone is the minty and something more pungent is taking over. I added water yesterday and today. Today I also added 30 mL of grow A/B. I wanted to give it some more nitrogen if it wanted it. So now it looks to have grown about an inch over the day. The open spaces of the plant showed some growth as well. After tieing down those main stems yesterday, The lower growth is starting to take off. That was expected and desired. Giving the plant more nitrogen was going to get them to grow a good bit more, and that is also desired.

The clones.....I wish I could get them to hurry up. They are just sitting there looking shitty. Sorry for the language. I just need them to root a little and then we could all go get in the veg tent. But no, they just sit there like bumps on a log.

I did not take pics. Got lazy. I will take some tomorrow and post them. Over all things are going well. I hope everyone else's gardens are green and productive.

 

[Far East Buds]

Bah you sound tired... Go rest up..lol
When things are going good it's almost boring... go read a book. Watching a plant grow is slower than watching a pot boil.. tested it...
Happy for you bro... figure out that smell though not moldy or anything? Probably just a strain thing...



FE

 

[Bamalabrat]

No not moldy. I would not say that. I readily admit to not having been around a lot of bud. I remember kinda what bud smelled like back in the day, but that was not really top shelf stuff. This is probably normal for these strains, I just do not know what their normal is yet. I will def have to increase my knowledge and vocabulary when it comes to describing smells. For me it has always been: smells nice, or smells like poop.

I am tired. Rough week. Lots of good stuff going on but all at the same time. Almost too much of a good thing. I just deleted a bunch of stuff that I wrote because it was off topic and probably too personal. But it was all good stuff. This weekend is looking like it will be a great weekend and just need my team to win this weekend to make it awesome. And the clones being in the veg tent would also make it awesome.

Thanks for stopping by and I am reading a book. Three of them. All related to Cisco network protocals and security best practices. LOL. Have to love the CE requirements. It is some dry reading to say the least, but there are parts that I get excited about and then go and build a system just so I can hook up the diagnostic equipment and measure the results. I was geek before the 90's. lol

 

[cogreen]

FE
Yeah it's def an interesting topic and I also hope some vets stop by here and clarify... Any responses I provided to your questions / comments would just be my guesses, and my guesses aren't worth much


Bama
After you cable up that network, can I please get some microsegmentation + network automation using NSX overlays!!