Re: Xlr8's Hydroponic Adventures and Photos from the Garden - 2012
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Xlr8's Hydroponic Adventures & Photos From The Garden - 2012
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Re: Xlr8's Hydroponic Adventures and Photos from the Garden - 2012
Attack of the clones:
Remember the clones I almost killed recently? I'll be damned if two of them aren't showing roots through their rapid rooter plugs. These things are tougher than we give them credit for sometimes. They were laying all the way down, completely wilted and sad looking. Crazy!
Jack the Ripper, and thinning leaves:
Also, today I thinned a bit more again. This Jack the Ripper pheno is something else. The clone is about 8-9" tall I'd guess, with what seems like a hundred nodes and little branches. I have been bad about keeping her close to the T5's or she'd really be a mind blower. The one in flower, is a nightmare to try to manage because of how dense and close everything is. I have a helluva time trying to defoliate -- there's no room, and I can't get my hands in there!
I am really glad I got a clone to take from it, though (in week 1 of flower - whew!) as I could see vegging one of these things longer and growing one or two massive Sativa bushes from her. .
Subcool says, "Watch for the short bushy pheno" as far as a keeper plant - this HAS to be it, lol, 'cuz I couldn't imagine anything with a naturally tighter, bushier structure. Now that I know, I could grow out future generations with much longer veg. Between her smell, her structure, and her interesting mutant tendencies, she's hinting to me that she might be something special.
Jack the Ripper clone - lots of side branching points! (I'll start training her soon so limit upward growth):
Attack of the clones:
Remember the clones I almost killed recently? I'll be damned if two of them aren't showing roots through their rapid rooter plugs. These things are tougher than we give them credit for sometimes. They were laying all the way down, completely wilted and sad looking. Crazy!
Jack the Ripper, and thinning leaves:
Also, today I thinned a bit more again. This Jack the Ripper pheno is something else. The clone is about 8-9" tall I'd guess, with what seems like a hundred nodes and little branches. I have been bad about keeping her close to the T5's or she'd really be a mind blower. The one in flower, is a nightmare to try to manage because of how dense and close everything is. I have a helluva time trying to defoliate -- there's no room, and I can't get my hands in there!
I am really glad I got a clone to take from it, though (in week 1 of flower - whew!) as I could see vegging one of these things longer and growing one or two massive Sativa bushes from her. .
Subcool says, "Watch for the short bushy pheno" as far as a keeper plant - this HAS to be it, lol, 'cuz I couldn't imagine anything with a naturally tighter, bushier structure. Now that I know, I could grow out future generations with much longer veg. Between her smell, her structure, and her interesting mutant tendencies, she's hinting to me that she might be something special.
Jack the Ripper clone - lots of side branching points! (I'll start training her soon so limit upward growth):
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Re: Xlr8's Hydroponic Adventures and Photos from the Garden - 2012
a ton guys. Really appreciate you all following along and being so supportive!! 
Love the way your plants look in the picture above
"jaw drops" omg. amazing bugs. if i was able to give u more rep i would. but 420 won't let meit says i have to spread the rep love first
a ton guys. Really appreciate you all following along and being so supportive!! 
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At Last! I could give you plus reps. Having covered so much in this journal to help one and all...you earned them!
At Last! I could give you plus reps. Having covered so much in this journal to help one and all...you earned them!
Re: Xlr8's Hydroponic Adventures and Photos from the Garden - 2012
loads of new branches on the clone, do you recon clones grow quicker than if it was from seed, for instance do the side branches come on a lot quicker than if it was say started from seed, something im going to try when my plants got enough branches to give, want to try and keep a regulat veg and flower going so i can crop one then move the next lot into the flower room, so im thinking ill need probably need 2 decent size rooms so i can have a few flowering and then having a feg in veg and keep rotating them round, so hopefully i can get a crop done every 2 months or 3 possibly, not sure how long its gona take as never tried it before, i just grew the plant then harvested it then left it ages till my next grow, its been 9 years this time and i dont plan on leaving it that long this time,
loads of new branches on the clone, do you recon clones grow quicker than if it was from seed, for instance do the side branches come on a lot quicker than if it was say started from seed, something im going to try when my plants got enough branches to give, want to try and keep a regulat veg and flower going so i can crop one then move the next lot into the flower room, so im thinking ill need probably need 2 decent size rooms so i can have a few flowering and then having a feg in veg and keep rotating them round, so hopefully i can get a crop done every 2 months or 3 possibly, not sure how long its gona take as never tried it before, i just grew the plant then harvested it then left it ages till my next grow, its been 9 years this time and i dont plan on leaving it that long this time,
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Re: Xlr8's Hydroponic Adventures and Photos from the Garden - 2012
Thank you OMM
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Re: Xlr8's Hydroponic Adventures and Photos from the Garden - 2012
Clones in general will get up to speed faster than seeded plants, but they're also just a bit different in how they grow, and some of it depends on how you train them.
A rotation would be good, and assuming you filled your flower room with each generation, you would be looking at a crop every 2 months or so (assuming you have veg plants ready to flower by the time your crop is ready for harvest).
Glad to see you are having fun and your rotation sounds like a good idea.
Clones in general will get up to speed faster than seeded plants, but they're also just a bit different in how they grow, and some of it depends on how you train them.
A rotation would be good, and assuming you filled your flower room with each generation, you would be looking at a crop every 2 months or so (assuming you have veg plants ready to flower by the time your crop is ready for harvest).
Glad to see you are having fun and your rotation sounds like a good idea.
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ohh ok, so monster cropping is taking clones when the plant is in flower, is that how you get loads of branches that quick, would it cut down on the overall veg time, i know you gota get it back into veg but putting it under 24-0 should do that pretty quick, basically what im trying to say is that would it be quicker taking clones during flower cycle or taking clones while still in veg, does it cut down on veg time taking them during flower or does it take the same amount of time but produces more branch growth, i want to take clones from any females i get so would i be better taking them during veg or during flower,
ohh ok, so monster cropping is taking clones when the plant is in flower, is that how you get loads of branches that quick, would it cut down on the overall veg time, i know you gota get it back into veg but putting it under 24-0 should do that pretty quick, basically what im trying to say is that would it be quicker taking clones during flower cycle or taking clones while still in veg, does it cut down on veg time taking them during flower or does it take the same amount of time but produces more branch growth, i want to take clones from any females i get so would i be better taking them during veg or during flower,
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Re: Xlr8's Hydroponic Adventures and Photos from the Garden - 2012
Yes, I did take this clone from a bottom branch about 7 days into bloom or so - might have been a little farther into flower than that but not too much.
I've not tried what you are talking about yet, but I do know exactly what you are talking about. I nearly tried it this grow, but started struggling with how I was feeling around the 21 day mark, so I fell behind on some things a bit and never got it done.
This particular Jack the Ripper is so unique compared to any plant I've grown. Part of it's uniqueness is that really tight node structure. The clone would look much more stacked if I'd done a better job of keeping it close to the T5s. I don't think this branchiness has anything to do with it being a flowering clone, but I could be wrong - it's mother grew this way from seed, too, maybe more so.
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Here's a link to a really great post on the topic of flowering clones taken at 21 days. There used to be a member here called Racefan who had a lot of great posts on the topic. This one is great food for thought:
What is a flowering clone?
Check out this example of a plant grown from a flowering clone (from Racefan - NOT my plant):
Here's another grat post from Racefan regarding flowering clones:
"The way the branching of the flowering clone was discovered was strange in itself. The idea came from a way of growing perpetually without a mother plant. If you take clones from a plant at about 21 days of flower, root and reveg them, they should be ready for your flower room just as the flowering plants are ready for harvest. This gives you a way to continully grow without having to keep a second room for a mother plant. Just a small clone/veg box will do the trick.
Well in trying this way of growing out it was discovered by several members that the clones from these flowering mothers seemed to explode with brances and any training of these branches produced a wicked amount of side branches."
Yes, I did take this clone from a bottom branch about 7 days into bloom or so - might have been a little farther into flower than that but not too much.
I've not tried what you are talking about yet, but I do know exactly what you are talking about. I nearly tried it this grow, but started struggling with how I was feeling around the 21 day mark, so I fell behind on some things a bit and never got it done.
This particular Jack the Ripper is so unique compared to any plant I've grown. Part of it's uniqueness is that really tight node structure. The clone would look much more stacked if I'd done a better job of keeping it close to the T5s. I don't think this branchiness has anything to do with it being a flowering clone, but I could be wrong - it's mother grew this way from seed, too, maybe more so.
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Here's a link to a really great post on the topic of flowering clones taken at 21 days. There used to be a member here called Racefan who had a lot of great posts on the topic. This one is great food for thought:
What is a flowering clone?
Check out this example of a plant grown from a flowering clone (from Racefan - NOT my plant):
Here's another grat post from Racefan regarding flowering clones:
"The way the branching of the flowering clone was discovered was strange in itself. The idea came from a way of growing perpetually without a mother plant. If you take clones from a plant at about 21 days of flower, root and reveg them, they should be ready for your flower room just as the flowering plants are ready for harvest. This gives you a way to continully grow without having to keep a second room for a mother plant. Just a small clone/veg box will do the trick.
Well in trying this way of growing out it was discovered by several members that the clones from these flowering mothers seemed to explode with brances and any training of these branches produced a wicked amount of side branches."
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that is shocking, if you can keep a cycle going like that then it sounds good to me, by the time the ones finished flowering you can put the clone into flower strait after, im thinking you might need to take slightyl bigger clones though to ensure it was big enough by the time the mother had finished flowering.
i came across something the other day and it involves sort of not cutting off a clone from the plant till you have grown the roots while its still on the plant, sounds crazy i know, but it involved some very clever cutting and you dont remove it from the mother until it has enough root growth, this way it says you can never fail to get a clone rooted, ill try and see if i can find it again and get the name of the technique
that is shocking, if you can keep a cycle going like that then it sounds good to me, by the time the ones finished flowering you can put the clone into flower strait after, im thinking you might need to take slightyl bigger clones though to ensure it was big enough by the time the mother had finished flowering.
i came across something the other day and it involves sort of not cutting off a clone from the plant till you have grown the roots while its still on the plant, sounds crazy i know, but it involved some very clever cutting and you dont remove it from the mother until it has enough root growth, this way it says you can never fail to get a clone rooted, ill try and see if i can find it again and get the name of the technique
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air layering its called, says its good if you only wanted to take a small number of clones, sounds a strange idea to me, not something i think i wold try just didnt know if any of you had come across this way of cloning
air layering its called, says its good if you only wanted to take a small number of clones, sounds a strange idea to me, not something i think i wold try just didnt know if any of you had come across this way of cloning
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sounds like you gota be some kind of surgeon to pull it off as it involves cutting into a certain layer of the stem so it stop feeding it or something like that then you cover it in rotting gell and keep spraying it, then cut it off when you got enough roots,
sounds like a lot of work for 100% sucess in cloning, but would be worth it if you was only taking 1 or 2 clones and didnt want to risk them failing and having to take more, i like the idea of this clones taken during flower though,
sounds like you gota be some kind of surgeon to pull it off as it involves cutting into a certain layer of the stem so it stop feeding it or something like that then you cover it in rotting gell and keep spraying it, then cut it off when you got enough roots,
sounds like a lot of work for 100% sucess in cloning, but would be worth it if you was only taking 1 or 2 clones and didnt want to risk them failing and having to take more, i like the idea of this clones taken during flower though,
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Re: Xlr8's Hydroponic Adventures and Photos from the Garden - 2012
With the speed at which the mother comes back, after cutting on her, why not cut out huge clones...
A buddy of mine had an outdoor plant lst tie down a few years back. He had it rooted in like ten different places. About ten feet up the main stalk, it rooted so thickly he cut the Main stalk completely and was left with two plants. I was blown away that the plant could go roots to main stem then into the ground thn roots to main stem then into the ground, etc.
He said it was nice because the plant tied itself to the ground with the rooting along he way.
With the speed at which the mother comes back, after cutting on her, why not cut out huge clones...
A buddy of mine had an outdoor plant lst tie down a few years back. He had it rooted in like ten different places. About ten feet up the main stalk, it rooted so thickly he cut the Main stalk completely and was left with two plants. I was blown away that the plant could go roots to main stem then into the ground thn roots to main stem then into the ground, etc.
He said it was nice because the plant tied itself to the ground with the rooting along he way.
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Re: Xlr8's Hydroponic Adventures and Photos from the Garden - 2012
Not sure what happened to Racefan, but haven't seen him around in a while. You could definitely take a rubbermaid tub, and cut a hole (or several, etc.) in it to make a DWC tub with a larger reservoir. They're really easy to make yourself -- I've made several. I bought a hole saw set from Harbor Freight. I bring this up, because hole saw sets like this cost a small fortune at Home De Pot, for example. Mine was under $20 if I remember right, and has several sizes to cut holes. Since I'm usually using it on rubbermaid tubs, I don't really care that the Home De Pot one is better quality. See if you can find a tutorial on youtube or here as far as making a rubbermaid DWC system, perhaps. All you really need is holes in the lid for netpots, a decent airpump and airstones for the tub, and perhaps a way to easily drain/refill for reservoir changes. I wish I knew a good link to recommend, but I'm sure there's stuff out there. I've grown a nice plant in one of those 5 gallon buckets, just do what you can to keep it cool and stay on top of the PH.
Air layering is pretty cool, but probably makes more sense for certain types of plants that are much more difficult to clone. Cannabis clones pretty easily typically.
Now that's something I'd like to see! That must have been a crazy sight - thanks for sharing that.
Not sure what happened to Racefan, but haven't seen him around in a while. You could definitely take a rubbermaid tub, and cut a hole (or several, etc.) in it to make a DWC tub with a larger reservoir. They're really easy to make yourself -- I've made several. I bought a hole saw set from Harbor Freight. I bring this up, because hole saw sets like this cost a small fortune at Home De Pot, for example. Mine was under $20 if I remember right, and has several sizes to cut holes. Since I'm usually using it on rubbermaid tubs, I don't really care that the Home De Pot one is better quality. See if you can find a tutorial on youtube or here as far as making a rubbermaid DWC system, perhaps. All you really need is holes in the lid for netpots, a decent airpump and airstones for the tub, and perhaps a way to easily drain/refill for reservoir changes. I wish I knew a good link to recommend, but I'm sure there's stuff out there. I've grown a nice plant in one of those 5 gallon buckets, just do what you can to keep it cool and stay on top of the PH.
Air layering is pretty cool, but probably makes more sense for certain types of plants that are much more difficult to clone. Cannabis clones pretty easily typically.
Now that's something I'd like to see! That must have been a crazy sight - thanks for sharing that.
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monster cropping WTF!?!? lol i've never heard this term before but it sound like a great method. i feel like i havent stopped by in 3-4 days so wanna catch up and get up to speed. hows things been goin for ya bud? no bad news from any of your updates so thats good news
monster cropping WTF!?!? lol i've never heard this term before but it sound like a great method. i feel like i havent stopped by in 3-4 days so wanna catch up and get up to speed. hows things been goin for ya bud? no bad news from any of your updates so thats good news
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Re: Xlr8's Hydroponic Adventures and Photos from the Garden - 2012
Been going fine, Chief. Honestly, I don't know diddly about "Monster Cropping" beyond the posts I shared/linked, but it does seem interesting. When Mr Smith starts peeking in more again, I might ask him about it. I saw he followed that thread originally, and I'm wondering if he's tried it. I'll bet he has, and I'd love his feedback.
I'm subbed to so many threads these days, that it's really hard to keep up. I feel like I'm always behind!
Thanks for droppin' by my friend.
Been going fine, Chief. Honestly, I don't know diddly about "Monster Cropping" beyond the posts I shared/linked, but it does seem interesting. When Mr Smith starts peeking in more again, I might ask him about it. I saw he followed that thread originally, and I'm wondering if he's tried it. I'll bet he has, and I'd love his feedback.
I'm subbed to so many threads these days, that it's really hard to keep up. I feel like I'm always behind!
Thanks for droppin' by my friend.
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Re: Xlr8's Hydroponic Adventures and Photos from the Garden - 2012
Cool - I'll definitely stay in the loop on your journal. It moves fast, though (not that this one ever does, haha) so it's hard to keep up, but I was just there a few minutes ago. Will be interested in following your Monster Cropping experiment. Your temps sound good - air cooled hoods are nice.
Thanks for the info and keep your eye out on my journal. I have 4 monster cropped WW in the bubbler right now, one has started to root. I'm going to take several more off my Giesel in about 10 days (21 days into flowering). I think I'm going to try out the 5 gallon bucket and if it's not working out within the first few weeks I'll switch over to a Rubbermaid. I just bought an air cooled reflector last night and rarely have temp problems so I hope it will work out. Currently temps are between 75-80F so I think with the air cooled hood I'll be able to have it wherever I want it.
Cool - I'll definitely stay in the loop on your journal. It moves fast, though (not that this one ever does, haha) so it's hard to keep up, but I was just there a few minutes ago. Will be interested in following your Monster Cropping experiment. Your temps sound good - air cooled hoods are nice.
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I may have to start using your journal for my own posting. Mine is being taken over by debate lol
I may have to start using your journal for my own posting. Mine is being taken over by debate lol
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No prob - you're more than welcome too! Cuz things never get off track here... Doh!
No prob - you're more than welcome too! Cuz things never get off track here... Doh!
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lol i saw that and you firmly told them to move thier debate somewhere else lol
lol i saw that and you firmly told them to move thier debate somewhere else lol