Xlr8's Hydroponic Adventures & Photos From The Garden - 2012

[donpaul.p]

Re: Xlr8's Hydroponic Adventures and Photos from the Garden - 2012

how long do you do the dark period for, say the last time the lights go off on the 12-12 when your ready to harvest, do you count that as the 1st 12 hours, then do you give the plants 24 hours of dark before harvest or 48 ive even heard people use,

does anyone have any clever tricks on cutting the drying time down, ive heard stories of people cutting into the stem during the last couple of days and stuff like that to prevent the plant taking up any more water, and things like not watering the plant for the last water time before harvest, just trying to find out what would cut the drying time down by a few days, i know people have different ideas and like the dark period some people say it works and others say it makes no difference

 

[Xlr8]

Re: Xlr8's Hydroponic Adventures and Photos from the Garden - 2012

Hey, Brother! I hope you're doing well!

Great work on the hash, and you can ingest it any way you'd ingest hash. Smoke it straight in a hash pipe/bowl, break it up and sprinkle on top of some meds in a bong/vape or roll in a joint, smoke it under glass, between two hot knives warmed up on the stove. Or, you can get an attachment called a "hash bell and skillet" (sometimes called a "vapor globe and nail", but they're actually slightly different) that basically let's you vape extracts through a bong:

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BTW...I didn't even realize you could get root aphids in hydro? Don't the little F'ers drown? Good luck on that!

Hey Mr K -

I like the little pucks. I thought you needed oil or bubble hash for those globe/nail sorta bongs... Will they work with the little pucks? I'm thinking I could make an oil too - just infuse the kief by breaking it up into some hemp oil perhaps? I need to break a piece of the puck and play with it I think. Now I want one of those bongs for concentrates really bad!!

Well, I think the aphids got into my coco coir, drain to waste moms only at this point. I don't see them in the Flo N Gro yet. I'm gathering that these things are fond of coco. I don't know about the F & G, but I've heard they thrive in DWC (I think because the netpots are never submerged but always moist due to the bubbling water below). Little f*ckers! I have wondered about whether they'd thrive in the floods like that - maybe a hidden feature of this sort of hydro?? I've had to deal with fungus gnats, and what I think were thrips before with the Flo N Gro, though. I think houseplants and now the coco moms are what attract these things though, not the hydro plants so much.

What I'd like to know, is whether beneficial nematodes could survive/thrive/work in a hydro system like mine (Flo N Gro/Ebb N Gro style). Anyone know definitively on that? I'm guessing I'd need to cut out the DM Zone, which I'm hesitant to do, but open to trying...

Thanks for the awesome video Mr Krip! +rep if I can.

 

[Xlr8]

Re: Xlr8's Hydroponic Adventures and Photos from the Garden - 2012

Sounds like you got rid of the root aphids. You got an army of pest defense set up already. It sucks when you do everything right and something blind sides you!!
I really like those hash pucks you made! What do you use to press them so perfectly? I have never used a presser before but it looks like it is a great way to go.
It sounds like you are feeling better too! I sure hope so!!

Hey CF -

I don't know if I've got them beat yet - sounds like it can be a real challenge. I hope I can keep them out of the Flo N Gro.

The pucks are pretty cool - thanks! I used a little press by "Kannastor" like this (mine is the 19mm model):

Kannastör Herb Grinders: Single or Multi Chamber Grinders

I'm doing okay. It's been a rollercoaster lately with a few more downs than ups, but I'm trying to stay positive. Thanks for poppin' by!

 

[donpaul.p]

Re: Xlr8's Hydroponic Adventures and Photos from the Garden - 2012

im sure if you played with one of the puks a bit and rolled it in your hand and kept squashing it that it would look less powdery and would go into a more solid block, like the hash you buy off the streets that you need to burn so it sprinkles,
and what you got can be used in bongs and stuff like that mate, just treat it the same as you would treat some bud, its burns the same so it can be used for exactly the same you would use buds for, i find its a different high more of a couch lock type high, but im sure this would vary from strain to strain, but just treat it like you would a bud, you can sprinkle it into a joint or put it in a pipe or bong, if its compressed enough it wont break up into dust, or play with it in your hand and keep squashing it like blue tack and it should look darker and more like a block than comperssed dust, the heat from your skin will make it soften and goo together more like a block of hash instead of looking like pollen,

 

[Xlr8]

Re: Xlr8's Hydroponic Adventures and Photos from the Garden - 2012

could i just pick your brains a minute, you know the plants dont like to have soaking wet roots in soil, so how do they survive when their in liquid constantly like in dwc, im only asking as i have got a 2ltr dwc hempie and the roots where barely growing out the top pot into the liquid below, so i changed the bottom bottle to a deeper one and added a load more liquid and a higher flood hole, now when i put the top half in the 2 ltr res with the liquid in it, the roots where barely touching the liquid and it was up to the over flow hole, anyway i just checked it before light went out and the roots have grown like 3 inches, all the holes in the top bottle has suddenly sprouted roots everywhere their growing like crazy, plus the liquid was up to the hole i drilled to drain it when it gets to full, well the roots had drank nearly 2 inches of liquid, now the soil wasnt dry in the top bit of the hempie as i water from the top so it drains into the bottom, i was just curious how the roots survive and drink a hell of a lot more when they are under water yet when their in a pot they prefer less water,

i have not put an air stone in yet but think ill add one due to the sudden mass of root growth, i was so shocked, the roots are growing quicker than the plant and drinking a lot more than it ever has when i add liquid from the top, anyone know why it happens

Well, there are different types of hydro. The key to it all is oxygen. The reason that plants don't like "wet feet" in soil, is that they get smothered for lack of oxygen availability. Same would be true in DWC hydro, where the roots are constantly soaking in water, except to combat that problem airstones and circulation pumps are added to keep oxygen at acceptable levels to the root zone anda keep them from drowning. Without this oxygen, the roots drown/suffocate. Cold water holds oxygen very well, and it doesn't take a lot for the plants to be happy. Warm water doesn't hold oxygen well at all, and can suffocate plants despite airstones etc. Thus, reservoir temperatures are extremely critical, especially in DWC types of hydro.

What you want to avoid, is warm, stagnant water. Hempies work because the water is frequently replaced by necessity, and the suction created by the "perched water table" you make when watering draws oxygen down to the root zone as the old solution drains through the hole. A good hempy system (bucket with a hole in the right spot!!) shouldn't need airstones as long as they are getting watered daily with a cool nutrient solution. However, I'm familiar with Twelve12's dwc/hempies, and seems like they work good. I don't know enough about hempies and your set-up to be able to answer why the changes you made have made a difference - there are a lot of possible explanations...

I have very little experience with hempies, but was keeping a beautiful little hempy in a solo cup until the bug problem forced me to ditch any extraneous plants to simplify eradication. I was kinda bummed, because I was really surprised at how well it worked in such a small simple system.

 

[Closet Farmer]

Re: Xlr8's Hydroponic Adventures and Photos from the Garden - 2012

They there X!! Thanks for the link. That is a cool press! I am going to have to get one too. Did you get the 19m or the 14m. I was thinking about the 19.
On and off. I know how you feel. Get rid of the aphids!! Them bastards!!! They should know you have a whole pest defense system. I am going to start to call you X termimator!! That is your new name from now on!! LOL!! Just like you named someone else on this site Theasaurus!! LOL!! That was funny!!

 

[donpaul.p]

Re: Xlr8's Hydroponic Adventures and Photos from the Garden - 2012

it really is a simple idea and it works, after these are out the way i may try using a big bucket id need to make something to hold the clone in the middle but it could grow pretty much any size plant you wanted wouldnt it, but i can see that a bigger res brings bigger temps and i suppose its more critical to get it right when using a bigger res, its something i am going to look into, i dont want a bbig hydro set up with pumps and everything as i need it to looks as basic as possible, so a bucket with a air pump in would not be to hi-tech to cause issues should any arise with certain people, the more basic it is the more like a personal grow it looks, so i dont want to spend money on full hydro set up, but i could try getting a big rectangle bucket and have 2 plants in the same res, but i can see what you mean, then temps and ppm would really matter wouldnt it, plus the risk of losing the plants is a lot higher if anything goes wrong,

for now im liking the hempy, its basic it works and the plant seems really healthy, it has drunk loads of water though, possibly more than i would of give it myself, so i need to give it a good water to fill the res back up, ive heard its best to feed the liquid from above as if i was watering it properly, so ill top it up tomorrow and see how it all turns out

 

[Xlr8]

Re: Xlr8's Hydroponic Adventures and Photos from the Garden - 2012

Excellent article! Here's another opinion on the dark period from our old Bud Brother, Shaggie420, in OMM's journal:

OldMedman Goes Indoors

I can't confirm which is correct, but I do try to give my plants the dark period when I have no clones rooting in the cab.

Cool post by the Shagster - miss seein' him around. Maybe it makes a difference in weight, but not so much potency?

 

[Xlr8]

Re: Xlr8's Hydroponic Adventures and Photos from the Garden - 2012

how long do you do the dark period for, say the last time the lights go off on the 12-12 when your ready to harvest, do you count that as the 1st 12 hours, then do you give the plants 24 hours of dark before harvest or 48 ive even heard people use,

does anyone have any clever tricks on cutting the drying time down, ive heard stories of people cutting into the stem during the last couple of days and stuff like that to prevent the plant taking up any more water, and things like not watering the plant for the last water time before harvest, just trying to find out what would cut the drying time down by a few days, i know people have different ideas and like the dark period some people say it works and others say it makes no difference

I don't know on that one. Personally, the most I would do is not water them for a day or two prior (depending on how well the media drains). I wouldn't let them dry out to the point of wilting, personally. I don't think there is much more you can (want to) do than that without causing other less desireable issues.

im sure if you played with one of the puks a bit and rolled it in your hand and kept squashing it that it would look less powdery and would go into a more solid block, like the hash you buy off the streets that you need to burn so it sprinkles,
and what you got can be used in bongs and stuff like that mate, just treat it the same as you would treat some bud, its burns the same so it can be used for exactly the same you would use buds for, i find its a different high more of a couch lock type high, but im sure this would vary from strain to strain, but just treat it like you would a bud, you can sprinkle it into a joint or put it in a pipe or bong, if its compressed enough it wont break up into dust, or play with it in your hand and keep squashing it like blue tack and it should look darker and more like a block than comperssed dust, the heat from your skin will make it soften and goo together more like a block of hash instead of looking like pollen,

I think that's probably accurate. Good point!

 

[Xlr8]

Re: Xlr8's Hydroponic Adventures and Photos from the Garden - 2012

They there X!! Thanks for the link. That is a cool press! I am going to have to get one too. Did you get the 19m or the 14m. I was thinking about the 19.
On and off. I know how you feel. Get rid of the aphids!! Them bastards!!! They should know you have a whole pest defense system. I am going to start to call you X termimator!! That is your new name from now on!! LOL!! Just like you named someone else on this site Theasaurus!! LOL!! That was funny!!

Ugh, I just hope I don't have to do much more X-terminating, haha. I hate bugs!

Yeah, the funny thing was, for some reason my auto-correct feature was wanting to change "Thsea" to "Thesaurus" every single time. It just seemed simpler to just call him "Thesaurus" from now on. Glad you got a kick out of it too!

 

[Xlr8]

Re: Xlr8's Hydroponic Adventures and Photos from the Garden - 2012

I sprinkled some Diatomaceous earth on top of the 2 coco coir moms I have left. The plants in the Flo N Gro have had SNS 203, and ongoing SNS 209 (systemic product). Tonight they got a res change with Azamax in the solution (at a low rate). I'm trying to be really multi-pronged in my bug eradication efforts.

 

[SurfBuddy]

Re: Xlr8's Hydroponic Adventures and Photos from the Garden - 2012

I sprinkled some Diatomaceous earth on top of the 2 coco coir moms I have left. The plants in the Flo N Gro have had SNS 203, and ongoing SNS 209 (systemic product). Tonight they got a res change with Azamax in the solution (at a low rate). I'm trying to be really multi-pronged in my bug eradication efforts.

I can't find any Azamax treatment instructions... mine came with a spray bottle, but it sounds like you put it in the water? With the spray bottle, just spray everything? Or try to only spray undersides of leaves? Or only the medium?

Thanks

 

[donpaul.p]

Re: Xlr8's Hydroponic Adventures and Photos from the Garden - 2012

X, you know them plug in mosquito things that give off a high pitch noise that we cant hear, dont you think one of them would be of any help, im not sure what they work on but know they use them on mosquitos, never used one so couldnt say if they actually work but ive seen plenty for sale, you just plug them in and leave them on and it gives off some noise that frightens them away,

 

[Xlr8]

Re: Xlr8's Hydroponic Adventures and Photos from the Garden - 2012

I can't find any Azamax treatment instructions... mine came with a spray bottle, but it sounds like you put it in the water? With the spray bottle, just spray everything? Or try to only spray undersides of leaves? Or only the medium?

Thanks

I put Azamax in the reservoir at a low dose of about 1.5ml per gallon. I've read in a few places now, though who the hell knows if it can be trusted, that if Azamax is run through reservoir and used more like a systemic and ongoing prevantitive, that it can be highly diluted and still be effective. So, since it's in addition to the other things I'm doing, and since the Flo N Gro seemed to be unaffected by bugs yet, I put a low level dose in. Of note, is that it turned the reservoir milky colored (I've used it before and expected this) and it doesn't seem to have had any substantial effect on the PH, which I was a little worried about. Not sure if mine will do much/anything, but I didn't have a lot of it left, and there are other people using it at these lower dosages from what I can tell with success, so thought I'd give it a try as it's secondary to the other things I'm doing anyway.

It can be used as a foliar, which is the only way I've used it prior to now. I can't remember the recommended dilution/application rates for Azamax as a foliar (or as a reservoir additive frankly). If I was closer to the label, I'd look it up for you. I'll try to remember to grab it when I'm near the grow room later and post back.

If you use it as a foliar, spray the tops of the leaves, the bottoms of the leaves, everything you can. Spray the top of the medium good, too. All of it. Really soak it from every angle, in my opinion. Raise your lights if they are close, or reduce the intensity if you can to avoid burning the leaves. Don't let the spray hit your hot HID lamps, etc.

Good luck!

 

[Xlr8]

Re: Xlr8's Hydroponic Adventures and Photos from the Garden - 2012

X, you know them plug in mosquito things that give off a high pitch noise that we cant hear, dont you think one of them would be of any help, im not sure what they work on but know they use them on mosquitos, never used one so couldnt say if they actually work but ive seen plenty for sale, you just plug them in and leave them on and it gives off some noise that frightens them away,

From what I can tell these devices are not very effective on most/many bugs. I suppose it can't hurt, but I'd hesitate to spend money on this. If you've got something, why not use it? But I've not found much to support it as an efficient bug deterrent. Seems more gimmicky to me. I think they work well on crickets?

 

[SurfBuddy]

Re: Xlr8's Hydroponic Adventures and Photos from the Garden - 2012

I put Azamax in the reservoir at a low dose of about 1.5ml per gallon. I've read in a few places now, though who the hell knows if it can be trusted, that if Azamax is run through reservoir and used more like a systemic and ongoing prevantitive, that it can be highly diluted and still be effective. So, since it's in addition to the other things I'm doing, and since the Flo N Gro seemed to be unaffected by bugs yet, I put a low level dose in. Of note, is that it turned the reservoir milky colored (I've used it before and expected this) and it doesn't seem to have had any substantial effect on the PH, which I was a little worried about. Not sure if mine will do much/anything, but I didn't have a lot of it left, and there are other people using it at these lower dosages from what I can tell with success, so thought I'd give it a try as it's secondary to the other things I'm doing anyway.

It can be used as a foliar, which is the only way I've used it prior to now. I can't remember the recommended dilution/application rates for Azamax as a foliar (or as a reservoir additive frankly). If I was closer to the label, I'd look it up for you. I'll try to remember to grab it when I'm near the grow room later and post back.

If you use it as a foliar, spray the tops of the leaves, the bottoms of the leaves, everything you can. Spray the top of the medium good, too. All of it. Really soak it from every angle, in my opinion. Raise your lights if they are close, or reduce the intensity if you can to avoid burning the leaves. Don't let the spray hit your hot HID lamps, etc.

Good luck!

Thanks X! I don't have a recirc that I can flush (although I guess the 2L-DWC-H is flushable enough...) So I think for now I'll treat the leaves... gonna defol next week anyway...

 

[donpaul.p]

Re: Xlr8's Hydroponic Adventures and Photos from the Garden - 2012

thats what i thought, i had my doubts when i seen them in shops, but never tried them so didnt know if they worked or not,

 

[HomeMedGrower]

Re: Xlr8's Hydroponic Adventures and Photos from the Garden - 2012

How's the eradication coming along?

 

[Xlr8]

Re: Xlr8's Hydroponic Adventures and Photos from the Garden - 2012

I can't find any Azamax treatment instructions... mine came with a spray bottle, but it sounds like you put it in the water? With the spray bottle, just spray everything? Or try to only spray undersides of leaves? Or only the medium?

Thanks

Thanks X! I don't have a recirc that I can flush (although I guess the 2L-DWC-H is flushable enough...) So I think for now I'll treat the leaves... gonna defol next week anyway...

Found this for you - Azamax instructions. Hope it helps!:

https://hawaii.gov/hdoa/labels/8633.1_2013.pdf

 

[naphtali5725]

Re: Xlr8's Hydroponic Adventures and Photos from the Garden - 2012

Hey hey XL, I hope all is well buddy I know I don't say much but I follow your thread every day