Wheelo's 3rd run - Attack of the Holy Shoots

ya you skiped a week, i would of guessed you would add a week of flowering. A my man, what it look like.

its possible i might go 9 weeks, it all depends on the plants. I'll let them tell me, and your right, if i decided to do that early enough i could have kept that week, i missed a week of big bud by skipping that week, and it had the highest EC so i missed out on the most powerful dose of nutes, but its done, so its done. it'll work out fine.
 
it's been a week since my last set of pics, so i guess i'm due on some pics and an update.

i'll star with the youngin's, out for a stroll in the arboretum.

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and i'll turn out the scrog light,

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here are the GWS, doing nicely on some LST

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and now some of the wheel:

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here are some bud shots, the buds are doing nicely, but whatever i am doing wrong, the fan leaves are taking a beating just like every other spin i have done. tip burn, interveinal chlorosis and necrosis, curling at the tips, rings around the stems from over watering and wicking up the stem an some, just all around not extremely healthy. i know this is cutting down on their ability to photosynthesize, and hence size and girth. i will beat this F'er one day if it kills me.
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here are some more pics of what i am struggling with:

remember i just flushed them for 3 days with clearex before todays watering, that was the only flush in the 10-12 weeks its been running. i do not know of a way to clean it while it's in operation.

here you can see my lst technique, and the salt buildup from the dripping of the RW cubes and the outside of the wheel.
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here you can see that my root enhancements did indeed work, and the roots spread through all of the blocks, you can also see what i think is salt buildup on the top of the cubes
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there is also an orangey buildup right in between the RW and wheel.
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wider view of salt buildup.
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salt buildup in the flood pan
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starting to dip, you can see the white spots nicely of what i think is salt buildup
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all the way in.
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will do bro,
welcome to my grow show.
:welcome:

Beautiful field of buds, bro ;).

Great pics too. New camera? What kind of lighting did you use for the last five pics?

thanks ss,
nope same camera, same telephoto lens, standing at least 5 feet away, just working harder at it, lol, using a tripod too. those 4 close-ups, just the flash, and turned out the hps. the last one was right after i plugged in the hps and it was just warming up. my camera is pretty sweet, if i only didn't break my normal lens, $100 for a new one at least so it'll have to wait.
 
thats interesting..hm... how many times are you watering...i hope i don't run into the same problems..i never encountered any of those problems when i was running ,my gravity feed drain to waste GI grow...interesting..
 
thats interesting..hm... how many times are you watering...i hope i don't run into the same problems..i never encountered any of those problems when i was running ,my gravity feed drain to waste GI grow...interesting..

well, i made the mistake of going to two waterings a day for a week or so, which gave me the stem rot on a few of them. one per day is ample. my pH has been changing so rapidly, i wanted to expose them to the changes to get a wider nute absorption, but it just turn out to get them too wet.

I'm sure you'll do fine omen, RW is new to me since i got the volks, and I have yet to master it. . . you already have experience with the stuff so you probably wont make the same mistakes i am making. the other members here that have used this wheel have not had the same problems that i am having, and i have had the same problems each run, so it is definitely something that I am doing, but i cant see what it is. but i will say this, the RW cubes that I am hand watering are not showing the same problems, but then again I'm only feeding them a weak grow solution at the moment.

after you get a run or two under your belt, maybe you will have some advice for me. lol.;)
 
just a thought......try using DripClean...Its an entirely different product than Clearex or any of the other similar products.
 
I find rockwool very difficult to grow in - I think it contributed to the root rot problems in my current system.

To bad you can't run the wheel without a grow medium. I don't know enough about it to offer suggestions... I'm trying to figure out how the larger cubes might be playing a role... larger size taking longer to dry out might encourage rot. Sounds like you've already made the right move with cutting down the water cycle to once a day.
 
Thats definetly a salt build up. Thats what i would attribute the ph fluxuation to. Salts will kill a plant as we all know. I always use rockwool and find and am loving it. Have you looked into the STG cubes? or perhaps a cover for your cubes. Algea and Salts sounds like a good hypothesis to me. As far as getting rid of it. It would take a good flush and breakdown of the whole system. So to work with whats going on I would try to clean the hell out of what you can and as far as the sat build up goes, and attempt to remove what you can on those cubes. Get them covered so any algea that is around will die. This is what I would do, then take notes of the cause and effect as well as the solution you came up with to fix it and if it worked. This is just my opinion on the matter. Pit said it best try DRIPCLEAN. Dripclean is well one the best products for cleansing, thats IMHO.
 
wheel i think your rite regarding the twice aday feeding. A FEW of the vets that chime in, they say there peace, but they never say feed more then once. they dont keep journals but they cant help but pop in. cheers to your poppin season. We luv ur journal, best thing since Christmas.
 
If you want to clean out your system and rockwool final phase em for some days and go back to your schedule since ur already running AN, it takes 6 hours to run through ur system after that ur feeding just water.
 
just a thought......try using DripClean...Its an entirely different product than Clearex or any of the other similar products.

i looked it up, your really diggin the H&G huh? lol, but yeah that stuff looks great, i like the fact that you run it during the whole cycle, not just in between changes. one of the reasons i haven't been flushing is because it is such a pain in the ass to do in my system right now. I think i found a way to make it easier though. after this run i will make some upgrades to my res system and try to make it easier on myself. I'll def get a bottle of that stuff next time i get paid. it's def worth a shot.

I find rockwool very difficult to grow in - I think it contributed to the root rot problems in my current system.

To bad you can't run the wheel without a grow medium. I don't know enough about it to offer suggestions... I'm trying to figure out how the larger cubes might be playing a role... larger size taking longer to dry out might encourage rot. Sounds like you've already made the right move with cutting down the water cycle to once a day.

i agree. i think my roots in RW are not great either, as compared to my ventures in dirt, soiless mix, and DWC. i have had success in all of those other mediums. i knew once a day was enough, but i didn't know if twice was going to be too much. it was, you know it can change according to environment and how big and how thirsty they get. i will stick to once a day from now on.

i have spent a considerable amount of time considering how to grow with different or no medium. it is something i might perhaps give a go in the future sometime.


Thats definetly a salt build up. Thats what i would attribute the ph fluxuation to. Salts will kill a plant as we all know. I always use rockwool and find and am loving it. Have you looked into the STG cubes? or perhaps a cover for your cubes. Algea and Salts sounds like a good hypothesis to me. As far as getting rid of it. It would take a good flush and breakdown of the whole system. So to work with whats going on I would try to clean the hell out of what you can and as far as the sat build up goes, and attempt to remove what you can on those cubes. Get them covered so any algea that is around will die. This is what I would do, then take notes of the cause and effect as well as the solution you came up with to fix it and if it worked. This is just my opinion on the matter. Pit said it best try DRIPCLEAN. Dripclean is well one the best products for cleansing, thats IMHO.

I'm glad you concur that its salt buildup, thats way better than mold or something. . . no algae on the cubes yet, covered the tops to prevent direct light. i gave it my best cleaning the last 3 days, and might try to do one between res changes from now on, the pob being if i only want to water once a day if i flush, thats it for the day. i dont like doing two res changes every week with this system. infact i'm unwilling. i think i have a work around though. but the dripclean might make that irrelevant.

maxx actually suggested against the STG cubes, and someone else too i cant remember who, stating that they dont have wicking properties. also i felt them in my hydro store and the were really light and airy. not sure if they'd drip down the top either. I should get a pack, they're cheap enough and at least see if i can do something. it'd be worth a shot considering how much trouble the RW has been giving me. plus i can flood to any level i want so up wicking might not be necessary anyways.

wheel i think your rite regarding the twice aday feeding. A FEW of the vets that chime in, they say there peace, but they never say feed more then once. they dont keep journals but they cant help but pop in. cheers to your poppin season. We luv ur journal, best thing since Christmas.

I'm assuming you are talking about RW vets? not wheel vets? so, yeah thats good to know, i ordered a book on RW before, but they left it out of my order and i never got it. bastards. maybe i should just go buy one at the store. thanks for chiming in, i'm glad you enjoy my journal. i'm trying not to get too frustrated like a good little scientist and just work though it. but of course i wouldn't be offended if i had to work around it some way if i could either. lol.

Looking good despite your issues.

thanks bro. thats why i ran the scrog this time too, and I'm glad i did.

honestly if i get 8-10 oz from the scrog i'd be happy, after having to cull so many plants already from the wheel i have downgraded my expectations. i pulled about 20% of the plants so far from my neglect/who knows what else, and a few of them were big with significant veg time. i'd honestly be happy with 5-6 oz. definitely not a power run, but thank god for the insurance scrog. plus organic. mmmmmm. organic.:yummy:
 
today i got some very nicely packaged silver!!! each .250 grams of AgNO3 came in a separate dark brown glass vial from pike. i will use them again. i think i will make some STS tonight and toss a clone in the 12/12 tent. these other girls are far enough in that they will be chpped well before the clone will want to start doing it's thang.
 
ya your multitasking holiday season ur doing alrite you missed a couple steps I dont c a big difference between the volks girls n the srg considering your set back and your new arrangement with the rockwool. thats that scientist in you but alittle mad sometimes . i had read ur old journals and was like okay cool when i get ready imma holla at him. I saw this last setup and I was like weres cmx? lol
 
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