WheelO's - 360#2 - Auto Collection galore

and one more thing about the sex thing,

if dioecious plants did evolve from herme's, then that should mean that you could, over time, use breeding practices to encourage that gene. weeding out the hermes would seem to be a good thing to me. then if i could induce a true gynoecious specimen into a male and produce true gynoecious seed. it should be possible to get female seeds with no hermie and no male probability.

i hope this is possible. i know i am just beginning a long journey of learning about breeding. i can take classes for free at the university due to my position, so i think i might take a plant physiology class. just to help out. at any rate, i am just gonna learn as i go. . . nothing like hands on training to bump the learning curve.
 
i dont know why i am up so`late tokin cheeba when i have to work in the morning.
anyways while im up,

UPDATE!!!

here are the little lemons:

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here is the KING SR:

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as you can see, the sts treatment stopped all vertical growth in its tracks. the KING is in the middle getting ready to spread his seed:

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here is the girl on the right:

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here are a few of the girl on the left, she is looking kinda pale to me, any ideas? pan?

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Here are a couple shots of the short stuff (i have been playing with my camera settings. i love this camera)

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and here are a few of the dwarf hindu kush:


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OK, nice experiment... so apparently the rockwool will absorb to it's saturation point, and then retain the moisture evenly throughout the media. That's pretty sweet, I'm impressed, who'da thunk spun rock could be so proficient. I had pulled a runt clone that had intersexed, from my VG over a week ago, set it outside (still in the plastic holder), not watered it since removal, and it is still relatively unphased (healthy). Bizzare.
 
Lookin good WOF! Pale plants are a result of low nitrogen. Bloom nutes usually have little to no N in them. IMO you run your nutes at high ppm, less is more, in my experience. Try a good flushing, then run a 50/50 grow bloom nute mix. You'll want a full compliment of nutes if you are growing for seeds, don't ya think? As always, just a suggestion. Nice work.
 
hey maxx, yeah sure, ill try it when i get a chance. im pretty convinced already but i'm down to see if my gut feeling is right.

cmx, thanks for the advice.

when the SR's started to flower i changed the nutes to 1/2 grow 1/2 bloom both CNS17. I wanted to switch to dutch masters. pan likes it, and so does my boy fatherbaker. ive seen good results firsthand, albeit in dirt. i just don't have the money right now and i had the CNS laying around from when it was 1/2 price at the hydro store. i threw in a bit of beasty blooms from fox farm too. my res never fluctuates much and doesnt evaporate very quickly either. we have had unseasonably fair weather for this time of year dropping into the 50's at night and up to 70's during the day. . . man i love long springs.

anyways i just checked my res and it is dead nuts on from when i last topped it off; 5.8 ph and 1550 ppm. this should be right at the suggested dose by the back of the bottles for the SR's, but is prob high for the lemons skunks. i always try to run at exactly what the suggested dose is, since i figure they should know more about their product than i do.

but after seeing 420fieds plants at 500ppm, i have been rethinking my theory, plus think of the savings on nutes. we all know how pricey they are. his system is much different than ours keep in mind. maybe i'll try running 1000ppm. do you have a specific ppm you suggest? how about you max, you use CNS right? do you have a suggestion?

i think i'm gonna go to the hydro store tomorrow and get some voodoo juice for the roots and maybe calmag. and i need more calibration solutions to check the meter from time to time.
 
Be vary carefull about going by other peoples ppm reading. PPM is just another way of measuring ec and range is set by what meter your using. My meter is a hanna black thats calibrated with 1500 solution and my ppm levels are at 12 to 1300 at a 50% mix of the gh tripack. My internet buddies have different types of meters I have and with the same mix they are at 700ppm. You also have to account for peoples water. RO water is zero but many folks dont use ROs and can have a range of 100 to 220 plus ppm which will rasie your numbers. Just thought I bring that up.
 
those look good but i still dont see why u guys dont just get a decent mum and flower from 3 to 4 days veg..seems that way it would be more uniform and more perfectible...either way keep it up...
 
mr smith. thanks for the advice. what good is a meter if it doesn't read right? i understand a little variance, but a 1500ppm solution is a 1500ppm solution (except for different temps) right? i used a 1500 ppm sol. to calibrate also, don't we all? I don't use RO yet. . . will get there when i have enough dough. my water is in the low 100's out of the tap.

maybe your solution temp was different than your buddies when you calibrated it, and didn't take that into account? or maybe you res's are different temps? I have the nutra-dip trimeter that compensates for temp (well for PH at least).

oneman, thanks for stopping by,
all of the other wheel growers here do just that. but looking for the right strain with a flavor and a high that you like is different for each person.\

me, i like to walk the road less traveled. get off the beaten path. your more likely to get poison ivy a couple times, but you can also find something new on occasion, something that you really like.

i am going to give a go at some breeding, and i figured it to be easiest to try some autos because i can run a new generation every few months. also there were a lot of other factors that seemed beneficial to this system, like short plants, easy to store a big seed stock, easy to start, etc. etc.

i am still struggling with some of the hydro stuff (was a longtime dirt guy) but i am confident i'll get it down after a few go's. besides i think that watching me struggle, will help others like me figure out problems and methods of solving them more than someone who is an old pro and doesn't make mistakes as often as i do. i feel like once i have this down pat, i won't run many more journals after that, because i wil have already done the service of showing progress from a total newb to experienced grower.

anyways, i will change my res on sunday, if pan stops by, i'd appreciate a suggestion about feeding strengths. thanks guys.

WOF
 
WOF, ppm seems no doubt an unambiguous number, but it is not. All meters measure elec. conductivity, then display a number we can use. EC is siemens I believe, and is a comparable # whatever brand meter you're using. PPM is not quite so. Internal conversion factors vary two ways depending on manufacturer choice. Call me bad names, then research this. European growers mostly use the EC#, and are generally on the same page. We americans are not that smart. PPM as used has relative value, but not so good comparitively.

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WOF, I didn't even take into consideration the ppm of your tap water. I use RO, but I started like you, working with what I had. PPM is tricky, there are at least two different scales being 700ppm=1ec and 500ppm=1ec. I'm not one for questions, they always seem to lead to more, I just accept, and adjust. So the best method for TDS (total disolved solids) is with e.c. (electric conductivity), I use a Bluedot truncheon meter which reads ec but has the different scales listed alongside for comparison. Tap water is often 700ppm+ and so if thats the case, and you are running 1500ppm nutes, does that equate 700-800 ppm of actual nutes? I dunno. Much of this is way more technical than I really want to be, I'm a stoner, I like things simple. I remember from science class about solubility and saturation and all that blah, but each variety is different, with different traits and so forth. SO, the only way to find what works best, is experimientation, which is what we are doing here together. I personally never try to raise my nutes over 1800ppm on the 500 ppm=1ec scale, and this has worked well for me. Sativas seem to burn easy, indicas can take the juice, hybrids act accordingly to whatever dominate trait they have. My suggestion, buy water, adjust accordingly, use your nutes on a curve, starting with low ppm (around 800), gradually increasing to up to 1800 ppm at the midsection of either the flower or grow time period, and then back down to 800 ppm at the end. You can get an idea of feeding strengths from checking different nute manufacturers recommended schedules. Treat cannabis similar to roses and tomatoes, they are a fast growing, flowering plant, basically an herb. Growing in rockwool means you have to supply everything the plant needs, unlike soil. Base nutes (n-p-k) are all very similar, and mostly a matter of preferance. Additives are key in the flowering stage, and should be used sparingly. I ALWAYS use less than the recommended amount, manufacturers are there to sell their product, of course they want you to use more. Moderation is the trick, finding what works best for you. You have so many variables right now, that it's going to be almost impossible to dial anything in. You have multiple varieties, different stages of growth, and a relatively new growing technique. Perhaps cutting down on your variables, and focusing on particular aspects of what you are working to achieve may increase your chances of success. Slow down, you are doing this for yourself, you deserve the best, take the time to do things right! I am so totally guilty of trying to rush things, even with my abundance of patience, so I understand. Ask yourself this.... "What would Willie do?" lol... keep it green my friend.
 
thx cmx, that was a very nice post.


i would like to cut down the variables, believe me, but i just consider this a growing pain period. i want seeds, different variety, all fems, and its gonna take some time to get it done. when i can, i will run a single strain weight run.

ok, so holy shit. this whole time i'm thinking im reading ppm, and im actually reading ec. i swear i specifically ordered the ppm version, but now, after what you guys are saying im glad its EC. it reads in microS/cm and 1000 microS/cm = 1mS, so i guess that means a reading of 1200 = 1.2 EC? that means i was running my nutes at 1.5 EC. also i used 1500 ppm TDS solution to calibrate. that is the right solution to use right?

my tap is 230 out of the faucet.
I just changed my res to see if that can stop the yellowing. I used CNS17 bloom to 900 (.9) and then added some open sesame and beasty blooms to 1150. I also added a bit of calmag, and 1/2 liter of voodoo juice (which cost 55 bucks at hydro store). I will add a bit of molasses tomorrow.. it is sitting steady at 1180 now. I can't dump this res though because of the 55 bucks of voodoo juice i just put in there. o hope this voodoo juice shows me something.
 
CMX, my meter is EC, not TDS.

now i dnt think the numbers mean anything at all anyways because i calibrated it using TDS solution as opposed to EC calibration solution.

I think that means my numbers have been off since i got it. man i'm a donk. keep messing up, at least its always new fuck ups, not the same ones over and over.
 
Thank you for finding the info and clarifying what I was trying to say CanbisMxmus. Too many different scales and rates to be trying other peoples numbers. Best to know the dosage per liter or per gallon and recording your own numbers was all I was trying to say lol. I'll try not to change the subject anymore and just enjoy the grow show. I want to know as much as I can learn about these volks machines. This is definately a fun show to watch so I will try to limit my words to looks great, nice grow and all the other complimants.
 
^^agreed, and its how you learn. I would have just gone on blindly (although i knew about the different scales) misreading my meter. I thought it was TDS (and thought that the calibration made up for the different scales) and now I know its EC and I calibrated it wrong. so i have no idea what i was feeding it.

it shouldn't be too bad, since i was roughly following the directions on the label, more than the meter reading. my nutes are for sure on the light side, I'm gonna stop at the hydro store and pick up the right calibration solution on my way to my friends house.

my boy fatherbaker has a bunch of trim work to do, and it goes much much faster with 4 hands. i figure i will be trimmimng for 3-4 hours. He better hook me up with something good cause i have maybe 4-5 grams left from my last harvest, and this wont be ready for more than a month, and it will have seeds.

one quick note, I am planning on growing out every SR seed i get right off the bat. the lemon skunk's are prob 3 weeks behind the SR's and if i plant them right away, i should be able to run a monoculture spin the same day i pull the LS with seedlings that have already established themselves.
 
I'm trying not to get frustrated with the wait to produce my own seeds. but i want smoke now!

i mean, seeds are expensive, think about it, i'd need 80/run. feminized seeds are like 25-50 bucks for 5 for the type i want. so i have to do it this way anyways, and I am having fun trying to breed, and I'm learning so much about hydro, breeding, genetics, plant physiology (and i did register for a plant phys class next semester) it so fun.

if I only had more room, or another wheel, so that i could have real harvest on the way. I could get 80 holy shits in 2 weeks if i asked for them.

this is going to be frustrating to see a big harvest in a few moments.
 
it took about 4 hours. nice looking holy shits. cola sizes would make pan proud.

by the way, i had him bring over his meter and matched my EC to his. my hydro store didn't have an EC calibration solution. ill check the other one in my area on monday.

It was low EC, so i added some grow. 1/2 as much as the bloom, brought my EC up to 1.6. i think that should be good.

my leaves were curling under a bit, and the RW felt pretty dry when i checked it so i added another feeding. Its now being flooded twice a day for 1.5 hours each time. that's the same as last run.
 
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