WheelOFortune's - first turn

Mixed? As in MH on one end, HPS on the other? Wouldn't that create an uneven canopy? I was just thinking using (all) MH during the stretch would keep the nodes tighter and the plants shorter.

And the last 10 days or so of flowering might give you a little more potency (or so I have read). HPS in the middle for the spectrum of course.

But I have never used one of these Volksgardens (I just drool over your grow journals lol).
 
i thought of that too, but it wouldn't be hard to switch the bullbs every or every couple of days. just unhook the venting, and pull them out and switch. the socket stays cool enough that you can do it while they're still on, with out unplugging.

i dont think maxx moves his bulbs. right now i slide my bulb from side to side a couple of times a day.
 
i think the color is coming back to my leaves, still need a littl more time to tell.

also i sexed my first lr2 and its a female. yeah! its the biggest one. i hope a small on is male.

if i get a male, i've decided its coming out and going into the clone box. do you guys think it will grow sacs just fine under 45w of flouro?
 
should be ok but u might want to just take it some where else away from clones and everything i dono thats just me i dont like male near anything even young clones i dono if it will hurt will it? i always been safe then sorry on that issue(my luck it would mess up my clones or get pollen on it and some how it would stay on the clone till it flowered and would be all seed probly just parrnoid though)

If it starts to look bad just add a cfl to it but if people can grow a small plant with a 42 watt cfl dont see why u cant get a male just enough for the sacks thats what u want it for right?
 
My good friend, Fotunado. Yes, you shall see the cask of fine rude(eralis). You won't, however, clone it. Everybody says so - it flowers and dies too quick. This forum is wonderfully loaded with not so hot ideas that I won't have to try to learn about. Rude girls yield light and require two seeds to start - 50% each of two sexes. Then you gotta give up half your valuable lit real estate till they drop their sac. Ruderalis breeds have a time and place outdoors, not in a controlled enviroment grow. Max got the cultivar kine! Gonna have to re-read his Omega journal yet again to see if he divulges a name. Don't really matter, because I've grown different moms from seed, and kept those I liked.
 
there aren't any clones in the box, thats why im gonna put the males in there, just to separate them.

you should read this thread from the beginning. . .
i am breeding seeds, and not going to be cloning anytime soon.

yes gator, thank you, i am aware of the futility of cloning an autoflower. check some of the auto posts around here, im sure you'll find a post or two of mine explaining why.

in this grow i will cross my sativa (SC) and my indica (HS) with my lr2's. this should result in a bunch of unstable semiauto hybrids. lots of seeds both male and female for future stock.

next turn, i'll grow a bunch of seeds, i dont know say 80 or 90 of each, and ill pull the best auto moms.
im gonna cross these automoms with some auto ak47 fems i got. im gonna STS one of the autoak's to make it male. this will hopefully give me lots and lots of mostly stable feminized auto hybrids of my own incarnation. names will soon follow, im working on a couple.

max gots the kine wha?
no offense to him, he didnt get what he was told he was getting, but he has some sour diesel hogsbreath harry potter something or other in his wheel that stretched way too much, damn sativas, i wouldn't advise using the same type of genetics, watxh my grow, im already getting nervous about my straberry cough getting too big.

I would however advise reading both of our journals from the beginning. might shed some light on what im doing. lol.
 
Yes sir, Max's 3rd turn doesn't appear maximal, but his second was with a plant he had worked with (no doubt still does) flat, then in rotor tightened up them buds. Was pleased. Searched for better and found big in a little wheel. I hope he harvests nicely, then puts 80 rooted turn 2 cuts right in there. Kick butt genetics have done so for years, totally predictable because they are clones. The exact same living plant divided. I apologize for my short term memory loss of your quest for the autoflower. I have read your journal and forgot. In my box, anything showing sex on 24s dies. Good luck.
 
Propa Gator said:
My good friend, Fotunado. Yes, you shall see the cask of fine rude(eralis). You won't, however, clone it. Everybody says so - it flowers and dies too quick. This forum is wonderfully loaded with not so hot ideas that I won't have to try to learn about. Rude girls yield light and require two seeds to start - 50% each of two sexes. Then you gotta give up half your valuable lit real estate till they drop their sac. Ruderalis breeds have a time and place outdoors, not in a controlled enviroment grow. Max got the cultivar kine! Gonna have to re-read his Omega journal yet again to see if he divulges a name. Don't really matter, because I've grown different moms from seed, and kept those I liked.
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have you grown an autoflower before? i doubt it.

rude girls yield light? 28-42 grams/plant according to my package from joint doctor. . . i wont get that though because i am restricting the roots.

requires two seeds to start? huh? what are you talking about?

Then you gotta give up half your valuable lit real estate till they drop their sac. i will veg outside the wheel.

Ruderalis breeds have a time and place outdoors, not in a controlled enviroment grow. why the hell not? you have know idea what yeild/potency/etc you can get from a lr2 since you probably never grew it or smoked it before (i know i haven't) and a cross can retain the fenotypes of either plant. selective breeding is the key.

Max got the cultivar kine!:cheertwo::cheertwo:
Gonna have to re-read his Omega journal yet again to see if he divulges a name a name for what? i doubt i could get that type of weed if tried anyways. some local cali strain? gotta find out what is available in your area if you are going from clones, you cant just pick any strain and go get it (except seed)

sorry to go through your post like this, but it didnt sit right with me.

try to keep an open mind about things when you don't know alot about them. like autoflowers, if you never grew one or smoked one, how do you really know for sure if its true that they yeild light? i have seen some nice pics of huge buds on autoflowers. etc. etc.

reading about shit isn't the same as doing it. buy one, do it, post it, and lets talk about it.

This forum is wonderfully loaded with not so hot ideas that I won't have to try to learn about

most of those bad ideas are people talking about stuff that they have never done personally. they read, misinterpret, and regurgitate it wrong.

ugh. i hope i wasn't too much of an ass.
 
Sincere apology offer, I was rude, and remain only marginally less ingnorant. I've never seen, tasted nor smelled LR varieties. I may never, but there are many fine things in this life I will miss. If you plant 20 seeds, only 10 will produce bud. Buds being the main thing that I want, I projected. You are breeding, and growing plenty for personal use, only, and said so. I do grow, but feel that seed starts are a necessary evil. Costly and time consuming to bring into clone production. Your priorities are different and worthy. Thankyou for dignifying my sour grapes with a point by point rundown. As to "get a wheel and post the pix", I can't finance a VG, but am planning to build. Your posted ideas on that are inspiring. I talk more than I do, but I do do some things.
 
well said sir,

i too am sorry, after all, why are we all here if not to talk and learn?

this turn, it is true i will have both male and female seeds coming which is inefficient to say the least. if only half of my new hybrid stock shows the autoflower gene and only half are female, in fact i will only be using 1/4 of the seeds that i plant. it will take 3 weeks of veg to find the auto females. i will kill all non autos and males.

next turn however, these selected 1/4 auto female crosses (both types and the lr2s) will be crossed with an feminized auto strain. I will use the STS spray bottle method to change one feminized seed male. then all of the seeds from that turn will be female.

hopefully my hybrids will be pretty stable by then, but if they aren't, i could backcross them more, with STS, until i like my results.

anyways an autoflower of my own seems awesome to me for these reasons:
1)no need for different light cycles and rooms
2)plants flower, yet can still maximize growth under more hours of light
3)short plants are a big bonus in my type of system
4)there is no need to keep mothers, eliminating cloning costs, secondary grow space,
5)can keep a stock of 1000's of female plants in a small oderless jar. (easy to hide, easy to move, easy to start over)
6)plants in both the veg and bloom stage can be introduced to the room in different intervals (every week, month, etc.)
7) i can plant 150 seeds in 15 minutes, i can clone 150 times in 1 day? from 10-15 mothers?
8) this is a big one- i can look at them and fiddle with things whenever i want because the lights are almost always on.
9)i can easily plant the seeds in the 6th or 7th week, of the cycle in the wheel, and they would be just starting to flower when i throw them in for the next cycle
10)this method will result in effectively 6 week flowers (3 week veg but not in the wheel, and overlapping)
 
this plan will take me either 4 months or 6 months, depending on how stable my hybrids want to be. but then i should have a long term stock of 4 feminized autoflowers. two of them being what i consider to be my own.

holy shit x lr#2 x auto ak
strawberry cough x lr#2 x auto ak

lr#2 x auto ak (just like another back cross)(would be good candidate for more backcrossing.)
pure feminized auto ak
 
was considering feminized deiselryder instead of ak since auto ak can get to be 22" tall some times. thats too tall for me.
 
Holy Shit indeed! Your top ten blows me away. It shows me why you are undertaking such an ambisious quest. Vision Quest! Sign me up, I'll be an acolyte in the church of holy shit down low. All that in a handful of seeds stretches my world. I didn't know you could do all that. Almost as ticket to heaven-worthy as Apple's I-Pod. May all you plan, actualize.
 
Cool did you fem any other seeds i never worked with fem seeds only with clones was just wondering how good the turn out is with them i hard they can give herms and dont produce as well whats your opion? i know its probly going to be a must in this type of grow though.
Like what ratio is females? and have u got any herms out of doin that yet i read so much diff threads with exact diff results so kinda confuseing me

edited as production i meant thc, and yeild a few said it effects it but was vague on it didnt say how much ect.
 
inferno,

it depends on how you get your females, and how stable the strain is in the first place.

feminized seeds are all the rage these days, and a lot of european breeders offer nothing but feminized seeds anymore. for instance the strawberry cough that i grow is from dutch passion, and were feminized when i bought them (3 years ago now.) i think dutch passion might only sell feminized seeds now too.


they definately produce ass well as no fem seeds and will not hermie, if you either (a) get them from a reliable seed bank or (b) feminize them yourself THE RIGHT WAY.

(1) light poisoning
i have made feminized seeds before using the light poisoning method. this is the most popular method, the easiest, the cheapest, and the worst. . . just turn on the lights for a while in the middle of the night cycle.

when i did it i would go to 12/12 for one week.
the second week of flower i would turn on my lights for an hour dirctly in the middle of the dark cycle. so 12 on, 5 1/2 off, 1 on, 5 1/2 off, and repeat.
then go back to 12/12.

this would reliably produce male sacs from female plants. the problem is that the sacs would grow right inside of the flowers or just above them, and then just make seeds in that flower. . . not spread the pollen all over (maybe a bit on the branches directly under a sac too). this means that all of my plants were only being inbred with them selves (if all of your plants are clones from the same mom, you have this inbreeding problem too)

after light poisoning, and inbreeding, these seed tend to produce more hermies and semi-hermies. all of my light poisond seeds are semi-hermies where the top colas are seedless and all the bottom branches are full of seeds. but those seeds are all semi-hermies or hermies too.

not good if you want reliable sensi.

(2) Gibrillic acid
dangerous to your health. very toxic. i stay away.

(3) STS (silver thiosulfate solution.)
there are two easy to get cheap chemicals available at any photography store called silver nitrate and sodium thiosulfate. you mix a small amount in a specific order to make STS solution. if there is interest i could post instructions to make it. but for now lets just say 20 bucks worth will make 200 1 liter bottles, and each 1 liter bottle will treat 15-20 plants. (and you only treat one or two per cycle)

all you do is take your target female, and spray it down with STS with a spray bottle, until it is drenched and running off the leaves. (if you have autoflowers you do this at the end of the third week) if you have clones, then you just put them in 12/12 the next day.

for about 2 weeks you will get yellowing of leaves and little to no growth. after that you will get PROFUSE male sac. not just a few little balls, but full male tops.

this is usually done 3-4 weeks before your other females are ready to be pollinated. this way you have time to harvest the pollen before you need it for the other ladies.

obviously keep the she-male in a seperate area if you dont wont millions of seeds. then use a paint brush to polinate a few buds for a few seeds.

im gonna want alot of seeds, so il prob grow the male in my clone box, then when the pollen starts to be released, ill just take 4-5 of each plant that i want pollinated (cross bred) and move it into the clone box with the she-male for a few days. . . prob shake she-male over top of them too.

then they'll go back into wheel with the rest of the non-pollinated girls.
there is no inbreeding (unless all clones have same mom, and even then its not as bad as light poison)
all of the seeds are pure female with no more chance of hermie than the original seed. maybe less if its a good cross breed.

also a second application can be made 2 weeks after the first for more profuse male flowers, a temp around 80, and a bloom nute high in phosphorous when male flowers are forming give best results.

wow, long post, did i forget anything?
 
i dont think its a must for me, but it has a lot of appealing benefits, so its what i want to do.

plus how cool is it to make a strain to call your own!

feminized autoflowers seem like they could be a deadly wicked combination. from seed to harvest in 9 weeks, high potency, high yield, short stature, non light cycle dependent, all female, no wasted time or space. .

i can't wait to have my strains stable and plentiful.
 
Well, probably not something I would get into except as a curiosity or a tide-me-over, but it seems like feminized auto-flowering strains were made for your Volksgarden. Keep it at 18/6 or whatever the entire time and you'd have a wheel stuffed full of goodies I bet.
 
This Is bad ass I was thinkin about doing this also when I saw it lol but topsyturvy was way cheaper!
 
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