Weaselcracker said:
That is beautiful to see. Envy baby....one of these days I'll play this game too.
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That is beautiful to see. Envy baby....one of these days I'll play this game too.
TheFertilizer
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Hey Weasel, have you ever grafted an entire smaller plant onto the branch of a larger plant?
Skunkworkz
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Nice Weasel! ..
Use a rolling pin, roll it out & get it uniform, as thin as possible. That'll help it dry/cure evenly. Looks super! .
Use a rolling pin, roll it out & get it uniform, as thin as possible. That'll help it dry/cure evenly. Looks super! .
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TF, yes- sort of. Most of my grafts have been done grafting smaller plants on to branches of bigger ones. Usually I'm using the top three or four inches of the smaller plant. By the time that plant is sturdy and thick enough to graft with- it usually has some lower branches growing- so I'm not sure if that qualifies as grafting the 'entire plant' on to a bigger one. When I cut the top free, there's still a living plant left behind.
Small delicate stalks are more difficult to work with. The thicker 1/4" stalks I grafted together were much stronger and sturdier, less prone to break and easier to align. Also it was way easier to wrap the grafting tape around the graft. Small stems are tricky to wrap.
But I think any size stems can be grafted, the small ones are just more finicky.
I've also done several grafts now where I grafted two strains together, then grafted the stem of that double strain plant into the stem of a third plant.
This is about the biggest size difference I've grafted- the one on the left is half the diameter of the one I grafted it into.
Thank you very much. And good tip with the rolling pin- I tried it and it worked great.
Skunkworkz
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My pleasure. ..You can roll/press it between sheets of wax paper, warm it a wee bit first. If it gets STICKY just toss it in the freezer for 10 minutes & it'll peel off most anything. As you can see, it oxidizes reeeeeeal quick like. Which is fine. If it bubbles/oozes when you hold a lighter to a corner, you done good . If not try again next time. (I can tell that'll melt nice, from the pics!) Kudos! ....
TheFertilizer
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TF, yes- sort of. Most of my grafts have been done grafting smaller plants on to branches of bigger ones. Usually I'm using the top three or four inches of the smaller plant. By the time that plant is sturdy and thick enough to graft with- it usually has some lower branches growing- so I'm not sure if that qualifies as grafting the 'entire plant' on to a bigger one. When I cut the top free, there's still a living plant left behind.
Small delicate stalks are more difficult to work with. The thicker 1/4" stalks I grafted together were much stronger and sturdier, less prone to break and easier to align. Also it was way easier to wrap the grafting tape around the graft. Small stems are tricky to wrap.
But I think any size stems can be grafted, the small ones are just more finicky.
I've also done several grafts now where I grafted two strains together, then grafted the stem of that double strain plant into the stem of a third plant.
This is about the biggest size difference I've grafted- the one on the left is half the diameter of the one I grafted it into.
Thank you very much. And good tip with the rolling pin- I tried it and it worked great.
I was looking at my veg plants and noticed their stalks at the base were just about the same diameter as the branches of my flowering scrog plant at the top. Had the mad scientist idea of grafting the entire veg plants onto each branch of my scrog plant so that basically one plant formed each top.
Not something I really wanna try now as I need medicine, but might be fun to do down the line. I think it would be neat to get one monster size SCROG plant and then just graft smaller plants onto the branches.
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Yes you could do that. You'd probably want to do it in veg. You just have to keep in mind some logistics - like it takes up to ten days for the graft to grow together (maybe less but that's how long I've been leaving the wrapping on). Then it could use some time to heal and grow together properly. I'm not sure how essential that is but I do know that in the beginning the graft is obvious, and as the weeks and months go by it starts to just look like a normal branch.)
Also there is the issue of positioning the smaller plant next to the big one. That may mean propping it up on something to get it in position next to whatever limb of the big plant you want to graft on to. A problem that can be solved, but it has to be considered.
Another option to avoid the last complication would be to graft the 'normal way' with scions that are cut free before grafting, instead of still attached to the living plant. If you know what I mean
Also there is the issue of positioning the smaller plant next to the big one. That may mean propping it up on something to get it in position next to whatever limb of the big plant you want to graft on to. A problem that can be solved, but it has to be considered.
Another option to avoid the last complication would be to graft the 'normal way' with scions that are cut free before grafting, instead of still attached to the living plant. If you know what I mean
Skybound
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Does the scion grow down into the rootstock, almost as if it were rooting as a clone?
heya weaseley,, karma sent friend,, to that ton-o-hash too,, wow, what a chunk
your journal is on fire weaseley,, sheesh,, so much goin on , indeed
i have a grafting q iffin i might,, i tried to keep up on the topic in yer jernal but fell too far behind,
i am mildly interested because with the upcomming pot laws in nuckville one house is only legally allowed four plants so grafting one big mother, or micro mother in my case might be a useful tool. i think this has all been discussed here
but, what is the verdict please? do the grafts retain their original genetics one hundred percent?? or is there some mixing of blood happening?
i would think, in my case anyway, that a mixing of blood would not be the preferred outcome
next topic,,
i know you have chatted about nanners showing up on some of your plants,, they seem to happen quite naturally in sativas, actually, so i have read, they happen in all natural mj plants, later in flowering,, one does not see them so much now in indicas because nanners have been nearly completely bread out of existence, so i recently read,,
anyhoo, i have been getting nanners on my latest ma thai/thai stk plants,, later in flower,, just something to watch out for seems like,,
anyway, just wanted to mention that one of these nanners pollinated its neighbouring og kush plant, resulting in about six seeds,, and,, these seeds are the biggest seeds i have ever seen,, beauties,, i must call them 'nuts', not seeds
anyhoo agin,, i just had to plant one right away to see what comes up. got me a touch giddy
next topic,, just a fyi,, i was late last year getting seeds/plants planted outside,, weeks late, because i was waiting for my otto seeds to arrive,, point is,, this year i had the seeds already and my planning was better,,. i had hoped to get a plant outside by may first,, but you know what the weather has been like so i thot maybe may first was a bit optomistic
but i was ready anyway and put a plant in a pot outside on april the thirtieth,, and it has been there since,, and it has been cold at night, and the day,, even last night,, but the plant is doing great,, hardy things,, just an fyi
i am out for now friendhave more q's but i forget,,
i will fix that,, cheers,,
your journal is on fire weaseley,, sheesh,, so much goin on , indeed
i have a grafting q iffin i might,, i tried to keep up on the topic in yer jernal but fell too far behind,
i am mildly interested because with the upcomming pot laws in nuckville one house is only legally allowed four plants so grafting one big mother, or micro mother in my case might be a useful tool. i think this has all been discussed here
but, what is the verdict please? do the grafts retain their original genetics one hundred percent?? or is there some mixing of blood happening?
i would think, in my case anyway, that a mixing of blood would not be the preferred outcome
next topic,,
i know you have chatted about nanners showing up on some of your plants,, they seem to happen quite naturally in sativas, actually, so i have read, they happen in all natural mj plants, later in flowering,, one does not see them so much now in indicas because nanners have been nearly completely bread out of existence, so i recently read,,
anyhoo, i have been getting nanners on my latest ma thai/thai stk plants,, later in flower,, just something to watch out for seems like,,
anyway, just wanted to mention that one of these nanners pollinated its neighbouring og kush plant, resulting in about six seeds,, and,, these seeds are the biggest seeds i have ever seen,, beauties,, i must call them 'nuts', not seeds
anyhoo agin,, i just had to plant one right away to see what comes up. got me a touch giddy
next topic,, just a fyi,, i was late last year getting seeds/plants planted outside,, weeks late, because i was waiting for my otto seeds to arrive,, point is,, this year i had the seeds already and my planning was better,,. i had hoped to get a plant outside by may first,, but you know what the weather has been like so i thot maybe may first was a bit optomistic
but i was ready anyway and put a plant in a pot outside on april the thirtieth,, and it has been there since,, and it has been cold at night, and the day,, even last night,, but the plant is doing great,, hardy things,, just an fyi
i am out for now friendhave more q's but i forget,,
i will fix that,, cheers,,
Helluva nice looking brisket. I'm starving. 
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Hey Skybound.
No I don't think so. They just seem to meld together, as a wound in a plant does- it sort of swells a bit and smooths over in that spot. When I'm done with the grafted plant (if I don't reveg it) I will dissect it and try to see what the tissues look like inside.
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Helluva nice looking brisket. I'm starving.
Thanks Carestaker! And since you're around, if you are still around - thanks for the excellent review of the Panama strain which I read recently. One of the best strain smoke reports I've ever read.
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Nivek I wrote you out a reply last night but gremlins ate it and then I fell asleep. Been doing long hours of work playing catch up in life. Which is good except for the dreaded 'getting up in the morning'. Yuck. Catching up with work means falling behind in everything else and everything is rationed. So assuming that you're not in a big hurry I'll catch up with you later and take a minute to post some pics I took tonight.
After staring in disgust at the mess that is my Pineapple Chunk, I took half an hour to try to do some damage control on it. If I didn't then it would be just a matter of time before mould gets it. Well- it is anyway, but this will help.
So this is kind of like the 'Bed of Green' routine I did with the PC once in the past, near the end of my first journal, which worked out quite well at the time. This one. Scuze the even blurrier than usual pics.
I whipped together a frame from some wood strips. One nail in each corner, supported by some old arrow shafts jammed in the pot and zip tied to the corners of the frame. Then I lashed some fishing line back and forth on it. This was enough to support the buds, giving them a bed to lay on but also increasing air flow to the mangy mess.
~Pineapple Chunk control~
~Grafted sativa~ After a week of 12/12.
Grafted sativa, with the Peyote Purple and a bit of Chocolate Mint in behind her.
~Peyote Purple~
~Flowering Room~
After staring in disgust at the mess that is my Pineapple Chunk, I took half an hour to try to do some damage control on it. If I didn't then it would be just a matter of time before mould gets it. Well- it is anyway, but this will help.
So this is kind of like the 'Bed of Green' routine I did with the PC once in the past, near the end of my first journal, which worked out quite well at the time. This one. Scuze the even blurrier than usual pics.
~ PINEAPPLE CHUNK ~ @ 90 days flowering.
The Bed Of Green idea worked out great for the PC. It looks like yield was quite a lot higher this way, and with some more fans going, the mold could maybe be kept away completely.
I whipped together a frame from some wood strips. One nail in each corner, supported by some old arrow shafts jammed in the pot and zip tied to the corners of the frame. Then I lashed some fishing line back and forth on it. This was enough to support the buds, giving them a bed to lay on but also increasing air flow to the mangy mess.
~Pineapple Chunk control~
~Grafted sativa~ After a week of 12/12.
Grafted sativa, with the Peyote Purple and a bit of Chocolate Mint in behind her.
~Peyote Purple~
~Flowering Room~
Scrogdawg
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Nice job on the PC, it looks good. Are they normally a 90 day flower plant?
Wow Weaselcracker! That's some serious DIY. That plant pushes you to the edge, eh? Not one I feel would be containable in my spaces, which is a shame, because there must be a reason all of you keep after it. Lol!
I just love the picture from under the frame. You certainly have a knack for catching the drama of the moment.
I just love the picture from under the frame. You certainly have a knack for catching the drama of the moment.
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Thanks Sue. Hardly a masterpiece but I couldn't leave that mess any longer.
Scrogdawg i just went and googled the strain info for the first time ever. It made me laugh.
Mine is at 70 days, is largely immature, and will definitely need a few more weeks. I'll try to harvest it as early as I can but yes that will probably be at 90 days bare minimum. In the Barney's Farm fine print they mention some slower flowering phenotypes- but all three of the seeds I sprouted were the same as this.
I have a hard time chopping plants early- it feels all wrong to me. Also maybe there is something about my growing conditions that makes them take longer? I don't know. I just don't seem to be able to flower anything in less than 12 weeks.
Scrogdawg i just went and googled the strain info for the first time ever. It made me laugh.
...extremely vigourous and stable plant. Mould and disease resistant.
Flowering to a beautiful conclusion in just 55 days...Indica Dominant
Genetics: Pineapple x Cheese
Yield: Optimum indoor. 650 gr/m2
Height: 60 - 80 cm
Flowering time: 55 to 60 days
Harvest time: End of September
THC: 25%
CBD: 1.1%
Mine is at 70 days, is largely immature, and will definitely need a few more weeks. I'll try to harvest it as early as I can but yes that will probably be at 90 days bare minimum. In the Barney's Farm fine print they mention some slower flowering phenotypes- but all three of the seeds I sprouted were the same as this.
I have a hard time chopping plants early- it feels all wrong to me. Also maybe there is something about my growing conditions that makes them take longer? I don't know. I just don't seem to be able to flower anything in less than 12 weeks.
Scrogdawg
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That is funny compared to your actual grow. I'm never in a hurry either and don't like to rush the plants. Right now my Mama Thai x Thai Stick is at 63 days veg and I won't flip for several days yet.
Glad you enjoyed my friend, Panama was a treat for sure. 
I have 2 Dark Devil Autos, 65 days is the projected timeline. One'll come down in about 6 days and the other might pass 100 days before it's done. I think it's the canna gods messing with us.
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A few more quickies.
Golden Tiger A
Decided to come out of the closet. Boo. Hiss. Good for you for coming out GTa, but ya can just keep on coming out- straight out to the compost pile.
I went around and cut all the GTa grafts off.
The pressure is on now for Golden Tiger B.
Honduras A is looking good.
Three gallon pot.
I have another clone of her- this is just one that I stuck in the flowering room small to clone for sex. But I'll keep her flowering since she's already underway.
I stuck her brother Honduras B in to flowering as well.
A little contrast between the raggedyass P Chunk and the Strawberry Blue next to it.
So this is the PC at 72 days.
The buds are just loosely packed leaves with a distinctive mangy cupped shape and sugar coated look to them. As time goes on (and on and on) the little leaves sort of get more gooey and congeal together more, to form something more of a proper bud. Trimming it provides a lot for the hash pile because there's not a distinct line between bud and sugar leaf- as you can maybe see from the pics.
It goes to show that you should save clones of new plants you grow, and not give up on shitty looking ones before you try smoking them. I've heard that story lots of times, of the one that got away-sometimes I wish this one had.
Golden Tiger A
Decided to come out of the closet. Boo. Hiss. Good for you for coming out GTa, but ya can just keep on coming out- straight out to the compost pile.
I went around and cut all the GTa grafts off.
The pressure is on now for Golden Tiger B.
Honduras A is looking good.
I have another clone of her- this is just one that I stuck in the flowering room small to clone for sex. But I'll keep her flowering since she's already underway.
I stuck her brother Honduras B in to flowering as well.
A little contrast between the raggedyass P Chunk and the Strawberry Blue next to it.
So this is the PC at 72 days.
The buds are just loosely packed leaves with a distinctive mangy cupped shape and sugar coated look to them. As time goes on (and on and on) the little leaves sort of get more gooey and congeal together more, to form something more of a proper bud. Trimming it provides a lot for the hash pile because there's not a distinct line between bud and sugar leaf- as you can maybe see from the pics.
It goes to show that you should save clones of new plants you grow, and not give up on shitty looking ones before you try smoking them. I've heard that story lots of times, of the one that got away-sometimes I wish this one had.