Weasel Forges Ahead

Weaselcracker said:
Where am I now... anyone ever have trouble keeping up with their own journal? :laughtwo:

Sue- yes I definitely freeze all hash making material first. Even dried trim. The freezer is a good place to store this stuff, and it's necessary or at least very helpful for the process.

Once in a while I make a kickass batch of high grade hash for myself. I'll try putting extra love into it sometime and do a gentle mix with frozen green bud and cure it a year. Using alcohol or butane (which I don't like so much because it seems so toxic - but does make potent oil) makes good stuff. But in reality I can only smoke so much, and usually just want to get rid of the trimmings with as little work as possible and make 'good' level smoking hash.

Grizz I haven't really. I know PotChimp does that- so it must be good. I mean- I have tried screening in the early days before I got bubble bags. I didn't have a good setup and wasn't really impressed with what I got.

TF I posted a simple bag-free method of making water hash at the beginning of my second (Hexapus) journal. It will make a bit lower grade - I estimate about 25% more plant matter in the hash depending how you mix it. Works great and makes great hash though it won't be as strong as qwiso. It's the way I used to make it in the dark ages before I got bubble bags and long before I even started growing.
Bubble bags don't give a good return either. It's really just for extras except for certain very frosty strains.
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Yeah I tried the ice-hash method like that before as well. I actually tried filtering first through a pretty coarse kitchen sieve, and then poured through a coffee filter, so it was a pretty crude 2-part filtration. It came out very blonde, but the yield was super low. I don't think I ever got a weight off it, but it was about the size of what you got off your Malawi from about an 8th of bud.

I do the quick wash method on my trim so I don't have to toss it. Thing is I am kind of anti-sugarleaf, so when I trim I basically cut a good 1/5th of the mass off of the bud. Last time off of 6 ounces of weed, after dried and manicuring, I had about 18 grams of trim that was more or less frosted-shake. Makes no sense at all to throw that stuff away, and I don't really get high off edibles, so I've been making hash with it. I just have the same feeling as you do, I am getting weary of using the isopropyl. I don't care how much someone says they've purged butane or isopropyl, I still get a weird taste out of it and it hurts my lungs. So I am pretty strongly looking into solventless methods the more I rely on concentrates. Ever since I got a vape pen it's just been too convenient, and it only reinforces the way I trim my bud because when I smoke flower I want to smoke flower, not flower and sugar leaf.

Have you tried rosin pressing? I haven't done it myself but I've tried quite a lot of it, and it's very close to shatter in strength and consistency.

Personally I really prefer bubble hash when it comes out in that kind of like, I don't know... Paste-like consistency. Almost like PlayDough. Or a bit drier than that is good too, but I like it to be nice and crumbly. Easier to deal with.
 
Weaselcracker said:
Now am I caught up? :cheesygrinsmiley:
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I guess not Weaselcracker. :laughtwo:
 
You should look into dry sift mate, for some it's the only shit they smoke, give away the wet stuff they finish it with..
 
I did the dry ice method twice, ironically in the ipower bags. Just trim and tiny popcorns. I don't remember weighing the trim, but the buds it all came off was well over a pound dried. The first shake gave me about 30 grams of blonde. The second shake maybe 5 grams of much less blonde and the third shake, it was downright green, so I assumed that was broken down plant matter and threw the green stuff out. As skunkworkz said, it killed the terps. The flavor was not well at all, harsh more than anything. The high was still good, but I like to taste something good like when I smoke some flowers. IDK, maybe I'm not a hash guy.
 
Skybound said:
I did the dry ice method twice, ironically in the ipower bags. Just trim and tiny popcorns. I don't remember weighing the trim, but the buds it all came off was well over a pound dried. The first shake gave me about 30 grams of blonde. The second shake maybe 5 grams of much less blonde and the third shake, it was downright green, so I assumed that was broken down plant matter and threw the green stuff out. As skunkworkz said, it killed the terps. The flavor was not well at all, harsh more than anything. The high was still good, but I like to taste something good like when I smoke some flowers. IDK, maybe I'm not a hash guy.
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Dry ice sift, is roughly equitable to kief from a screened rolling tray. Which is to say, mediocre.
Full melt bubble hash, is terp-rich flavorful goodness.
Dutch coffee shops smell like haze, and bubble hash. Or, Heaven ..
 
Weaselcracker said:
BB I am the numb one. what is BPN?
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Weaselcracker said:
BB I am the numb one. what is BPN?
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Hahaha hey I just found out about em a couple days ago.... obviously it wasn't you using Blue Planet Nutrients then. I m pretty hard up for a decent line and found some very good reviews on them, then found out about the mess they got in with :420: here and had second thoughts. Plus I just got an email back from them a few min ago and the cost of shipping almost triples the price!! I m currently using Green Planet based out of Canada here (figured the transition from Green toBlue would be easier on the noodle) What else should I be looking at?
 
too bad you can't test for peace, love, sorta honest, etc. what hurts me the most is when I get fooled by a person who really puts
the con on and absolutely completely fools me
 
handjive4mota said:
too bad you can't test for peace, love, sorta honest, etc. what hurts me the most is when I get fooled by a person who really puts
the con on and absolutely completely fools me
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Skybound said:
I did the dry ice method twice, ironically in the ipower bags. Just trim and tiny popcorns. I don't remember weighing the trim, but the buds it all came off was well over a pound dried. The first shake gave me about 30 grams of blonde. The second shake maybe 5 grams of much less blonde and the third shake, it was downright green, so I assumed that was broken down plant matter and threw the green stuff out. As skunkworkz said, it killed the terps. The flavor was not well at all, harsh more than anything. The high was still good, but I like to taste something good like when I smoke some flowers. IDK, maybe I'm not a hash guy.
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You simply haven't found the right hash method Skybound. Dry sift is obviously not your way. Try another. Good hash is a wonder. *sigh*
 
SweetSue said:
You simply haven't found the right hash method Skybound. Dry sift is obviously not your way. Try another. Good hash is a wonder. *sigh*
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Dry sift/sieve and dry {ice} sift, are a bit different but arrive at similar end results. Dry sift generally isn't as clean as the dry ice method, in my experience, but some folks prolly' don't mind a little plant material in their hash .

Trimmers are instructed to always save the sugar leaves. (I gave up trimming long ago.) And to strip any under-lit inner buds/bottom 20-ish percent of each plant's flowers (anything less than perfect) directly into bags to be frozen immediately. Any given run is quite a few freezer bags of fresh frozen trim/flowers. I'm not much of a hash smoker any more, occasionally at night I enjoy it, but I'm a stickler for efficiency, ("waste not, want not") and after the work per ft2 involved, absolutely nothing gets wasted, so it gets processed. Also, it's fun to make hash. Unlike trimming, which is not fun. . I've mucked around making oil, sift, hash and whathaveyou for a long time, and I've pretty much settled on bubble hash as the methodology I prefer, though I'm going to make some vape juice later this year because it annoys me that shitweasels get $30/ml for it & I just as soon upend their market by making it in bulk & giving it away until I've made my point. .
 
TBH, I wasn't set up at the time (and still not now) to do anything with my trimmings. I found a local CO2 distributor that let me get about a 6" cube for $5. I was looking to preserve it more than anything, rather than waste. I ended up smoking all of it anyways, with my poor palate kicking and screaming the whole way.
 
Skunkworkz said:
Dry sift/sieve and dry {ice} sift, are a bit different but arrive at similar end results. Dry sift generally isn't as clean as the dry ice method, in my experience, but some folks prolly' don't mind a little plant material in their hash .

Trimmers are instructed to always save the sugar leaves. (I gave up trimming long ago.) And to strip any under-lit inner buds/bottom 20-ish percent of each plant's flowers (anything less than perfect) directly into bags to be frozen immediately. Any given run is quite a few freezer bags of fresh frozen trim/flowers. I'm not much of a hash smoker any more, occasionally at night I enjoy it, but I'm a stickler for efficiency, ("waste not, want not") and after the work per ft2 involved, absolutely nothing gets wasted, so it gets processed. Also, it's fun to make hash. Unlike trimming, which is not fun. . I've mucked around making oil, sift, hash and whathaveyou for a long time, and I've pretty much settled on bubble hash as the methodology I prefer, though I'm going to make some vape juice later this year because it annoys me that shitweasels get $30/ml for it & I just as soon upend their market by making it in bulk & giving it away until I've made my point. .
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I like the way you think. :cheesygrinsmiley: I don't do much trim, and I cherish the sugar leaves for their wealth of tasty trichomes. There's a theory that those trichomes produce more potent oil than that found in the buds. I make edibles, and I'm more inclined these days to do a fresh harvest oil over any other method of infusing. The last three harvests were processed that way because I had mites and had to get the plants completely gone to avoid spreading the infestation. It worked to eliminate the Borg, which was my chief concern, and I discovered quite by chance that this process potentiated the oil to a surprising level.

Now I plan to process most of the harvest right then and there and dry a small quantity in the fridge, low and slow, for vaping and smoking. This process uses every part of the plant, excepting branches, stems, and roots. I have no trim or popcorn left to freeze. :laughtwo: I'll have to make a special effort to save some for freezing. I have a quantity of fan leaves already frozen, that will likely become medicated bath salts, but bud material becomes brownies in my home. Lol!
 
Bearded Budz said:
...I just got an email back from them a few min ago and the cost of shipping almost triples the price!! I m currently using Green Planet based out of Canada here (figured the transition from Green toBlue would be easier on the noodle) What else should I be looking at?
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Oh I see. Yeah I think Pigeons uses that Green Planet stuff too if I remember right. Made here in BC.

I generally go elsewhere once shipping charges double the price. Because I live up north in a back eddy, we get tagged as a 'remote location' by the posties, and its common for me to look at a $100 item online - then jump through all the hoops of the ordering process just to get to the end and see $300 shipping added on. Uhhh no thanks...

I don't know if I can help you much though. I've mostly used Botanicare nutes for the last six years or so. I'm happy with them. If I was. Except I recently found out (I think) that they've now been bought up by Scotts, which is a despicable company and also more or less owned by Monsanto. That has made me want to start looking around for a new line, for all the good it's going to do in the world. I didn't look elsewhere for a long time because I am still working on trying to grow better with the system I've got.

Techniflora nutes are made in BC also- if those are still available. I used them for a while- I've heard good thing about them and they seemed good to me but I was too newbie to really know.
I also got a prize box of Remo nutes for Nug of the Year. I seem to remember that they're made locally as well- I haven't started using them yet. I had some other prizes of nutrients coming for that contest that I was looking forward to trying, but the companies never ended up sending them out.

Let me know what you find out. You're not sticking with the Green Planet stuff?
 
TheFertilizer said:
Have you tried rosin pressing? I haven't done it myself but I've tried quite a lot of it, and it's very close to shatter in strength and consistency.

Personally I really prefer bubble hash when it comes out in that kind of like, I don't know...
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Yeah I like hash too. Getting a vape pen kind of drove me into making more oil and shatter for a while, but then I got a dry herb vaporizer and moved on to that. I have fond memories of the imported hash we used to get in the 80s and 90s. Not sure where it all came from- some was Afghan, but most was unmarked. I suppose that market is all but dead in North America now. Makes me nostalgic and now I want to use some of my next trim batch to do an AAA run, and put it away to cure nicely.

Some of the best hash I've smoked lately has been finger hash. I kept collecting it for years and at one point I had a 250 ml jar full which was aged a few years. Gave a bunch to a friend and he freaked out about it- 'give me more!'. So I started smoking it myself.

I haven't tried the rosin press thing. That is- I did try a couple times with a hair straightener thingy, but received nothing for my efforts. Reading through ShiggityFlip's thread on the subject- I see that it needs more equipment and technique than I used.

One thing on the wish list is a small still. You can buy them online reasonably cheaply. That should get me all the strong alcohol I need (can't buy it here) for extractions. Something like the leftover buds from the bubble hash method - I'm sure there is a lot in there that is being wasted and could possibly be extracted somehow. I suppose I'll find out whether that's true or not- when I drink the wine...


There is something about bubble hash which I've been wondering about for a long time, and relates to how much resin is wasted in the process. I mean to do a proper post on it with photos sometime, or maybe start a thread. But the gist of it is- by the time I trim up bud and sugar leaf and handle it a few times, the trichomes are trashed. Take a wander through trichome land with your microscope and you will see a scene of devastation- hardly a single intact trichome to be found. They've all been smeared around.

Sugar leaf only has two sides. Buds have many more internal layers, making up a huge surface area- and maybe there are a lot of pristine trichomes hiding in there. I don't know.

In any case- the whole premise of bubble hash as I've always read it- is that the delicate trichome stalks get brittle when frozen and break off.

Well- either the ice method is mainly only collecting the percentage of trichomes that never got smeared around, or the smeared resin actually detaches itself from whatever it's stuck to, when it gets cold. Which seems unlikely.

Someday I'll try to get some good before and after pics of the trichomes in a untouched bud, then after trimming, then after hash making.
 
Oh that's cool your a BC boy, got piles of family in and around Kamloops area and I actually proposed to the misses up in Wells Gray! That an amazing province, god s country for sure,and in our 4 yr plan we are seriously considering moving out that way. Every 2 yrs we tour BC trying out new highways and checking out the local scene just too try and find our little piece of heaven. Sounds like you found yours:thumb::high-five:
Yea me and Pigeons aka Rex-e-poo used GP, then the guy got a slick new job as a product tester and found Remo. Our supplier s out this way are those token Stoner dudes, you know absolutely clueless and flakey when it comes to their products with no sense of professionalism. I tell ya man, between Sask and Manatoba we are SOO far behind when it comes to the weed industry..... on the other hand it's wide open too, just don't even try and set up shop yet, they d bust ya before your key hit the door!
So I guess AN was bought out by Monsanto as well and that's where Remo was born. He use too be AN s main dude until the buyout then jumped ship and started his own show. I saw a few plants last night grown with it and even smoked some of the bud produced and wow, I was seriously impressed!:thumb: I d sure like to stick with a "local" type producer, and it seems BC s nutrient companies have their shit together for the most part. I tried working with GP but all they could do is let me know who sells their products in the area, closest being 3 hrs away. With you being up in the sticks I take it your stuff is all shipped to your door? What kinda prices are you looking at for your line and shipping if ya don't mind me asking? since we're kinda in the same boat being remote and all:high-five:
Thanks for your time man seriously, I know your a busy dude and your insight is priceless to guys like me.... well maybe not totally priceless, I'd have a bag ready for ya anytime for your everyday efforts around here:420::Namaste:
 
Lol. I've been through a lot of those stoner grow supply outfits myself. It wears thin when you just want to get things done. Sort of cool when one sent me all kinds of expensive stuff I never ordered or paid for- but not so cool that... it wasn't what I ordered. Yes everything is mail order. Lately I've been dealing with Jon's Plant Factory in BC. They barely charge any shipping for some reason, prices are good, stuff gets sent right away, and so far they've been great to deal with.
 
maybe they barely charge any shipping because they pass their deal with the frt. co on to their customers.
some of these people have seemingly good prices but they murder you on frt. & bogus charges. I believe everyone selling is
due a fair & reasonable profit, without profit they can't sell. it is always fair to ask "what is the delivered price?" honest & fair
people can charge me a higher price, pays for MY peace of mind.
 
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