Visualize Whirrled Peas: A Perpetual Garden By 013

i have a zapper also comes on lights out 15 mins , and comes on for 3 hours in the day , another reason i love me autoflower they never hermie on me
you can see in these pics ,for mites and soil in my top layer of soil i add seaweed dust , rocks dust and neem cake powder , i let the top soil dry quicker , i always get mites and never got any that run
you can see my zapper to the left for flying ass holes
when in flower i put my mite control spray into a little hand held smaller spray bottle , it was easy just to cover the leaves without hitting buds , i got 4 grows finished even with mites before i really went to town , in veg it more easy to fix , in flower its harder
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Sorry to hear the news mate. I'm devastated for you.

You've had some brilliant advice off Nunyabiz. All you can do is start again, with the new knowledge you have been given.
Looking forward to seeing you succeed.
Keep us posted on your progress..
 
depends on mites

They are extremely and importantly beneficial to the soil in the decomposition process, the environment, and all living things. These mites in the soil break down animal and plant residue and consume bacteria and fungi in the soil. They also eat harmful soil-dwelling creatures.


i couldn't find pics or when you started to see them , some are good others climb up the plants to eat the live plants not the dead parts below the soil
 
hey 013

didn't realize you were battling ongoing pest issues. have you got any pics of what you are trying to deal with ? i skimmed through the thread but didn't see anything on the pests themselves. might be able to help a bit more if we knew for sure what we were dealing with.
 
My multiquote is hosed up but.....

Thank you very much Nunya, you are the cutting edge!!!

Yes sir - Mr. Squiggles, I truly appreciate what you bring to the party!!!

Nutty.... you are always an inspiration!!!


Thank you all very much for your kind words, time and expertise. Yeah I hate it’s come to this and I’m devastated to hit the wall, I’m out of fresh bud but really glad I have some cobs stored up. But to lose 3 months of veg time really sucks. The plan was as soon as the mites were gone I was planning to flip the White Widow and the Blue Dream then cruise on in to harvest. FFS, apparently that dog don’t hunt.

I have not seen a flying pest in the garden for 2 months now so that’s good. I will try to get a pic of the mites, I tried last week but I never could see anything in the photos I took. You are correct - they could be friendly mites and it’s totally possible I screwed the pooch / ruined the soil. I had dusted with a mixture of sulfur plus diatomaceous earth so frequently that the top layer of soil was yellow grey in color, then I dusted with Captain Jacks Spinosad dust too. It seemed like I was winning the battle but then the lower leaves went limp and the problem climbed its way up the stalk. I rotated thru Neem, sulfur, Spinosad & oil dormant. I didn’t see mites on the trunk or leaves but in the crevice where the soil meets the bucket rim.

The juvenile mites were beyond tiny and slow moving but a few days after a pest treatment I would notice one or two large white speed demon mites that zoomed real fast across the surface when compared to others. I think they morphed into mutant ninja resistant mites after eating sleeping and crawling in sulfur, DE and Spinosad dust for a few weeks there.

I’ve got a crap ton of fresh never used soil already cooked but will have to get some 25 gallon fabric pots. I’m ok with changing my watering habits to keep the soil moist and watered daily. I just harvested a crap ton of pine bark so I’m sterilizing that to kill off any nasties. I have never used Neem cake but will order that up pronto and I know doc used to use a combo of Neem and Karanja cake in top layer of soil and as top dress for preventative measures.

After some digging I did find the ingredients for a well regarded biological pest control product and I have worked out the ratios to reverse engineer it. I’m thinking I can use the biological only during seedling stage and after transplant to the big LOS containers that the soil predators should do the heavy lifting.

I’m not done here but THANK YOU for your support. It means a lot that you have taken time to write your comments and share your knowledge
 
if they are visible to the eye it is probably not a cannabis mite. the ones you see may be beneficial. you might be trying to kill your allies. lets get a loupe on those things and identify them.
 
Thank you Bluter, you are the bomb!!!

I’m going to discontinue the pesticides and will try to lift a few mites off with blue painters tape so I can scope them and get pics. It may take a day or three for the mites to regenerate but I can grow some damn mites now, can’t grow weed to save my ass but I can turn out a bumper crop of pests!!!

I can usually see a spider mite pretty well when it’s exposed on bucket rims, but for the longest time I couldn’t see this crew. Granted my eyesight is not as sharp as it used to be. But it looks like 4 of these tiny white mites could ride on a spider mite and I’m barely able to see them with my reading glasses on.

in the last photo see the white plastic plant marker? Look at bucket rim just above the plant marker. There is one large spec but the mites I see resemble the tiny white or light colored specs on the bucket rims.
 
those are way far gone. most white visible mites are turtle mites, and they are usually beneficial. should get a loupe on them and identify any pests.

i'm thinking there is more going on here than just a pest issue. if it has been consistently attacking your soil grows you should move to a new media to get a handle. keeping the soils around is only going to extend the infections and trouble.

common two spotted mites live on the plants and do not have a soil component. though they will over winter in the soil and go dormant. it requires a temp change signalling fall though. you might notice white spots on the leaves, but you will not see the mite itself without magnification.

this could be cannabis mites. they live inside the plant itself and are a magnitude smaller than the two spotted mite. if you have them the only way to get rid is toss everything - soil, plants, buckets. otherwise you might fight them for years and never get ahead. they are microscopic, by the time you see the damage the grow is already dead.
 
it would help to know what it looked like when it started.

your looking for twisted, curling, and waxy looking leaves when it begins. can sometimes look a little like heat stress or a ph problem.
 
Yes I’ve had spider mites previously and eradicated them. Don’t think this is the same thing. At one point I thought it might be juvenile 2 spotted but now I think it’s different since these are whiteish in color. I once was eagle eyed for sure but I’m nearly 60 now so yeah go figure. I do have problems using the loupe, trying to position the loupe and remove reading glasses, that sucks so I’m pulling the trigger on usb digital scope.

When the Blue Dream went down it resembled pics of plants I have seen here that had russet mites.... I’m not saying I had russets just that it looked similar to pics I have seen here. Yes I’m dumping soil, and nuking the big room, there is nothing in the tent now but that will get bleach bombed too. I’ve got 4 cans of No Pest fog for a 12 X 12 with 9 foot ceilings.

I should have taken pics but failed to document that part, no excuses. Rookie mistake, I thought I could beat it. Fucking fuck. These plants looked decent last week so yeah I’m thinking I got the real shit. That totally checks out - I was an early adopter by catching covid last year before they declared the pandemic officially hit the US.
 
No question - all of my used soil is getting tossed. I’m switching over to cloth pots so they will all be brand new. I don’t have a choice but to discard the old shit.

New soil, new smart pots and dropping the H bomb to clean the room. I’ve got 2 bins or roughly 70 gallons of fresh soil that’s been cooking for at least 7 months so that’s good. Yeah I probably ruined my own grow by killing a beneficial... makes sense to me!
 
make sure to confirm what the issue is before tossing money out ..
 
pics are not great but there’s a white speed racer going there. Sorry, even propped I can’t hold it still enough to get good pics. But after I got these pics I saw what appears to be a regular 2 spotted spider mite, I caught that one with a blue masking tape lift, but those pics are horrible lemme try clear scotch tape

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Thanks Nunya! So you think it’s dead? hmmm ... was it the soggy brown leaves or the absence of the color green that gave it away??

It’s nice to laugh for a second but yeah I’m pissed, its the wasted time not the soil, I was ready to flip those puppies over, well not the little dead paki valley but the Blue Dream & the White Widow. It’s not like I’m going to waste a ton of soil, but yes this soil must go or else I will be stuck here forever. I‘m going to fog bomb this biotch, maybe some M-80’s for shock and awe right beforehand.
 
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