Vancouver Island 2022 Organic Grow

[Azimuth]

If you're harvesting rockweed, then you are using the same stuff usually processed commercially. Maybe that's why you can't tell the difference. Its probably the same stuff, though you are west coast, no?

But, like you, I try to get a variety of different things to process when I make it.

I'm planning to add willow to my yard this season as I would like to add that to my extracts.

 

[Danishoes21]

If you're harvesting rockweed, then you are using the same stuff usually processed commercially. Maybe that's why you can't tell the difference. Its probably the same stuff, though you are west coast, no?

But, like you, I try to get a variety of different things to process when I make it.

I'm planning to add willow to my yard this season as I would like to add that to my extracts.

It would be totally worth it and not only are they medicinal they are beautiful trees too. It makes good material for weaving baskets. It’s right there with Cedar in terms of overall value for me.

Yeah I can get my hands on rockweed. Kelps is westcoast like Tofino, Barkley sound, Juan de Fucca, port renfrew… kelp can be very heavy and long, rockweed is easy, fill up 2 10lbs bags and good to go. And here is a very interesting thing about rockweed has lots of small crustaceans and shells and all kinds of sea shells stuck to it, it could be adding extra calcium, the kelp I found has considerably less shell material stuck on to it, almost none. Not implying kelp is less nutritious than rockweed, just maybe thinking more something like -Terroir- in good wines. A certain trace element found in the soil at a specific part of the world gives a more unique organoleptique property to that produced good.
I guess what I might be playing with is levels of salinity and what effects have they on the plant?

I do wish I could get my hands on Kelp. I would keep it for me to eat lol

 

[Danishoes21]

I been hesitant in the past but now I feel I wanna give this a try and add it to the soil mix this year.

This is probably a spoon or 2 por 10 gallon pot? Seems high in N.

 

[Danishoes21]

Thought I should share this;

Facts.

 

[CaptainLucky]

So this is where the internet will grill me.

How can I scientifically proof that it worked? I need a Lab test to see if there was leftover PM or mold spores on the plant. I can’t afford to do that just for internet reputation, I rather keep it silent.
What I gave the internet was over 200 photos that can be compared, looked at and well discussed between growers; was there any PM, mold or bud rot at the end of October…?
I for sure seen PM, mold and bud rot many many times and I can tell you my last grow I had slim to none of these. Was it indeed the Salicylic acid in the willow ? Or the silica in the horse tail? I can’t really say because I used many things.

The one thing I can assure you and the rest of the growing community is that there many many studies on Salicylic Acid and phytohormones of plants, what I previously mention SAR systematic acquired response. It’s all there on the internet, people just need to read.

I don’t use safers, or citric acid, or milk, or none of that to cure PM; my personal opinion NONE of those work; as I seen people here use them and still have PM after…

First of all I focus on plant health, homeostasis and I build up resistance by exposing plants to pests, and that’s just standard outdoors ORGANIC method. I have to make that very clear I use only organic methods to treat my plants from cannabis to tomatoes to cabbages. Most of the research I do is applied to vegetable crops as well and the results are there to see. I don’t have abundance in pest or illnesses, quite the contrary… last year I was surprised my plants had nothing and 20 feet away my buddies plants in his greenhouse had pm in late September.

I gathered enough substancial evidence that something protected my plants from PM.


Question one
I learnt that should never trust a friend that says “yeah grow as many big plants as you can in my back yard”. Bullshit. Cannabis is like money it has no friends.-

Question two
I started using my Willow tea formula around early September last year, I tested it on a leaf of a tree that was horribly affected by PM. After one week spraying 2 times a day I saw results that I found acceptable, I then moved on to try with Cannabis. I sprayed every week at least 3 times all the way till the end November.

Plants treated showed a stain, it had a White/greyish Color on the top fan leaves, nothing I had ever seen before. I could only conclude that those marks were in fact dead spores of Mildew as the plant did not show signs of Powdery Mildew; when I passed my finger no dust residue, just a stain.

Simple test I seen Shed had done on his thread, pass your finger on the PM see the results.

I found no hyphae on the marks in the fan leaves, no hyphae = no mycelium = no living fungus = no PM.

I do appreciate your interest Captain, only a few of you out there have actually shown interest in what I have been doing here, hopefully you guys try it and see for yourself if it works or not… I’ve seen people try other stuff recommended by others… no results.-

I would love to know your recipe for the tea, if you don’t mind. If you do for proprietary reasons maybe you could pm me. I think if more members knew about the things that you’re doing they would be extremely interested. I have much respect for you and your work. One more thing, I have to say that Shed’s Citric Acid does work to a degree but it doesn’t prevent anything. Happy growing bro. CL

 

[CaptainLucky]

Thought I should share this;

Facts.

Who knew that about Einstein? I thought he was just a physicist. I knew somewhat about that from reading Azi and some other members threads. It’s kind of mind blowing, synchronicity, harmony, etc. CL

 

[CaptainLucky]

I been hesitant in the past but now I feel I wanna give this a try and add it to the soil mix this year.

This is probably a spoon or 2 por 10 gallon pot? Seems high in N.

Seems super high, I think I would proceed with caution . CL

 

[Danishoes21]

I would love to know your recipe for the tea, if you don’t mind. If you do for proprietary reasons maybe you could pm me. I think if more members knew about the things that you’re doing they would be extremely interested. I have much respect for you and your work. One more thing, I have to say that Shed’s Citric Acid does work to a degree but it doesn’t prevent anything. Happy growing bro. CL

I respect all of us sharing content and knowledge here. We all deserve that voice to be heard.

That said; two school of thoughts right here Captain, preventive and corrective.

Citric acid may correct PM and kill a focalized outbreak of PM BUT it won’t prevent from it sprouting all over again in another vulnerable area of the plant. We can all agree that Powdery Mildew, Downey mildew, mold, bud rot are all spore based airborne problems that means 50% of your plant is constantly exposed to spores, it’s in the air, whether we like it or not.
If we focus on preventing the hyphae or mycelium of the fungal disease to live we therefore prevent the outbreak of PM.
My idea is let’s prevent rather than correct.

2 schools of thought.

The ramifications of synthetic nutrients in soil fertility are big, tho feeding a plant to be big and smell good doesn’t necessarily imply a healthy plant. A healthy soil on the other hand may not produce a big flower or fruit but can guaranty a healthy plant and an excellent taste.

The way I see it is you can use the band aid and sure it will work, but why use a band aid if you can have the cure?

It’s about changing the mindset of how we look at plant and plant biochemistry.

If the solution presented here by any of us actually worked, why are we still talking about how to fight PM ?

 

[Danishoes21]

Seems super high, I think I would proceed with caution . CL

I think so too. It looks scary but good. 2-4 months slow release. Easy to burn a plant with that.

Caution will be taken Cap.

 

[CaptainLucky]

I respect all of us sharing content and knowledge here. We all deserve that voice to be heard.

That said; two school of thoughts right here Captain, preventive and corrective.

Citric acid may correct PM and kill a focalized outbreak of PM BUT it won’t prevent from it sprouting all over again in another vulnerable area of the plant. We can all agree that Powdery Mildew, Downey mildew, mold, bud rot are all spore based airborne problems that means 50% of your plant is constantly exposed to spores, it’s in the air, whether we like it or not.
If we focus on preventing the hyphae or mycelium of the fungal disease to live we therefore prevent the outbreak of PM.
My idea is let’s prevent rather than correct.

2 schools of thought.

The ramifications of synthetic nutrients in soil fertility are big, tho feeding a plant to be big and smell good doesn’t necessarily imply a healthy plant. A healthy soil on the other hand may not produce a big flower or fruit but can guaranty a healthy plant and an excellent taste.

The way I see it is you can use the band aid and sure it will work, but why use a band aid if you can have the cure?

It’s about changing the mindset of how we look at plant and plant biochemistry.

If the solution presented here by any of us actually worked, why are we still talking about how to fight PM ?

That’s what I said, it doesn’t prevent it but it does kill it. Now I didn’t think anything could prevent bud rot besides adequate airflow but you seem to have found something that a lot of us could use. I understand your totally organic question but some people are City dwellers and can’t replicate your methods. CL

 

[Danishoes21]

Here is the kind of stuff that keeps me awake at night reading:

Systemic Acquired Resistance - an overview | ScienceDirect Topics

www.sciencedirect.com

 

[Danishoes21]

That’s what I said, it doesn’t prevent it but it does kill it. Now I didn’t think anything could prevent bud rot besides adequate airflow but you seem to have found something that a lot of us could use. I understand your totally organic question but some people are City dwellers and can’t replicate your methods. CL

I feel you on that, I was a city dweller brother, Montreal NDG-CDN old jewish ghetto now immigrant Quarter. Love the hood.

you have a point we cant grow stink water pathogens in apartments its not easy. I think Azi produces lots of inputs and he is not in a farm; he uses Jadam method. I use anaerobic fermentation and its basic all you need is

1 liter maison jar with good lid
3/4 of that liter in rain water
1 spoon molasses ( I have changed to Sprouted Barley Syrup)
250 grms dry Willow organic matter
(bark or leaf, fresh or dry; I have only used fresh leaf harvested from local trees in a 50km radius to my grow site).
The lid guaranty the NO entry of Oxygen forcing an anaerobic fermentation or decomposition of the organic material, living microorganisms are fed by the sugars in the barley syrup or molasses. How do I know that? Carbonic gas or effervescence, you know it will make bubbles.
You need leaf mold to spark the reaction thats why I use fresh material, if you cant use fresh then add a spoon of worm castings to the previous recipe.

"Biogas is generated during anaerobic digestion when microorganisms break down (eat) organic materials in the absence of air (or oxygen). Biogas is mostly methane (CH4) and carbon dioxide (CO2), with very small amounts of water vapor and other gases" Basic Information about Anaerobic Digestion (AD) | US EPA.


I am convinced that Salicylic Acid (SA) has a profound effect in plants, specially in the build up of immunity. An that is just one Phytohormone, I have mentioned others before like Auxins, Gibberellins...

 

[CaptainLucky]

Here is the kind of stuff that keeps me awake at night reading:

Systemic Acquired Resistance - an overview | ScienceDirect Topics

www.sciencedirect.com

That’s way above my pay grade. CL

I feel you on that, I was a city dweller brother, Montreal NDG-CDN old jewish ghetto now immigrant Quarter. Love the hood.

you have a point we cant grow stink water pathogens in apartments its not easy. I think Azi produces lots of inputs and he is not in a farm; he uses Jadam method. I use anaerobic fermentation and its basic all you need is

1 liter maison jar with good lid
3/4 of that liter in rain water
1 spoon molasses ( I have changed to Sprouted Barley Syrup)
250 grms dry Willow organic matter
(bark or leaf, fresh or dry; I have only used fresh leaf harvested from local trees in a 50km radius to my grow site).
The lid guaranty the NO entry of Oxygen forcing an anaerobic fermentation or decomposition of the organic material, living microorganisms are fed by the sugars in the barley syrup or molasses. How do I know that? Carbonic gas or effervescence, you know it will make bubbles.
You need leaf mold to spark the reaction thats why I use fresh material, if you cant use fresh then add a spoon of worm castings to the previous recipe.

"Biogas is generated during anaerobic digestion when microorganisms break down (eat) organic materials in the absence of air (or oxygen). Biogas is mostly methane (CH4) and carbon dioxide (CO2), with very small amounts of water vapor and other gases" Basic Information about Anaerobic Digestion (AD) | US EPA.


I am convinced that Salicylic Acid (SA) has a profound effect in plants, specially in the build up of immunity. An that is just one Phytohormone, I have mentioned others before like Auxins, Gibberellins...

Now after this cooks is it used straight as a foliar spray or is it diluted with water first and then applied? CL

 

[Danishoes21]

That’s way above my pay grade. CL

Now after this cooks is it used straight as a foliar spray or is it diluted with water first and then applied? CL

Its totally above my pay bro lol but I read it at least 3 times; its plant biochemistry like the people writing this stuff have Phds, but put aside all the acronyms and technical terms, and one can understand.

The ratio dilution is somewhat of a unicorn... I started diluting 10 to 1 but at the end I was making a batch and spraying close to all of it on a weekly basis.

This year things are different, I have mixed all the herbs in one tea, Im going to start my Willow tea in a couple days, I started harvesting Willow this week, and I will go step by step from making it, to using it... all the way until November.

 

[Azimuth]

It would be totally worth it and not only are they medicinal they are beautiful trees too. It makes good material for weaving baskets. It’s right there with Cedar in terms of overall value for me.

Yeah I can get my hands on rockweed. Kelps is westcoast like Tofino, Barkley sound, Juan de Fucca, port renfrew… kelp can be very heavy and long, rockweed is easy, fill up 2 10lbs bags and good to go. And here is a very interesting thing about rockweed has lots of small crustaceans and shells and all kinds of sea shells stuck to it, it could be adding extra calcium, the kelp I found has considerably less shell material stuck on to it, almost none. Not implying kelp is less nutritious than rockweed, just maybe thinking more something like -Terroir- in good wines. A certain trace element found in the soil at a specific part of the world gives a more unique organoleptique property to that produced good.
I guess what I might be playing with is levels of salinity and what effects have they on the plant?

I do wish I could get my hands on Kelp. I would keep it for me to eat lol

Seaweed

 

[Melville Hobbes]

I have 2 questions, would dried willow leaves work, and would a carboy with an airlock be something we could use to make some of these ferments?
Dried leaves would allow us Northerners to get an earlier start making and spraying the willow tea, and the carboy would allow us to make larger batches at a time, and using an airlock would allow the buildup of a layer of CO² at the top, but allow the excess pressure to escape preventing broken jars, and maybe allowing a longer fermentation?
Or is the willow tea meant to be more like Jadam, with live microbes in it?

 

[CaptainLucky]

Its totally above my pay bro lol but I read it at least 3 times; its plant biochemistry like the people writing this stuff have Phds, but put aside all the acronyms and technical terms, and one can understand.

The ratio dilution is somewhat of a unicorn... I started diluting 10 to 1 but at the end I was making a batch and spraying close to all of it on a weekly basis.

This year things are different, I have mixed all the herbs in one tea, Im going to start my Willow tea in a couple days, I started harvesting Willow this week, and I will go step by step from making it, to using it... all the way until November.

If you could get pictures of doing it step by step that would be awesome . I understand if you want to keep it to yourself though.(You can always pm me with it). lol. CL

 

[CaptainLucky]

I have 2 questions, would dried willow leaves work, and would a carboy with an airlock be something we could use to make some of these ferments?
Dried leaves would allow us Northerners to get an earlier start making and spraying the willow tea, and the carboy would allow us to make larger batches at a time, and using an airlock would allow the buildup of a layer of CO² at the top, but allow the excess pressure to escape preventing broken jars, and maybe allowing a longer fermentation?
Or is the willow tea meant to be more like Jadam, with live microbes in it?

Great question Mel. CL

 

[Danishoes21]

Seaweed

thanks for that link brother.

 

[Danishoes21]

I have 2 questions, would dried willow leaves work, and would a carboy with an airlock be something we could use to make some of these ferments?
Dried leaves would allow us Northerners to get an earlier start making and spraying the willow tea, and the carboy would allow us to make larger batches at a time, and using an airlock would allow the buildup of a layer of CO² at the top, but allow the excess pressure to escape preventing broken jars, and maybe allowing a longer fermentation?
Or is the willow tea meant to be more like Jadam, with live microbes in it?

That is a great question actually; 2 great questions

From the molecular point of view I would think It should do the trick, Salicylic acid would still be found in dry material. You would probably not find leaf mold in the dry ones. Also keep in mind the bark does work as well and is said to have the higher concentration if the acid.

I think a carboy with an airlock would probably work better than a maison jar (just price wouldn't be the same).

Seems like you got a real good experiment right there Mel. I would love to know how it goes.