Unforgiven's - Picture-A-Day - Barney's Critical Kush - DWC

day 50 is here

actually its all from future harvest, their hollands secret and plantlife additives lines.

the stats......T: 83.4...RH: 34....PH: 6.4....REST: 71....PPM: 2440

the pic....
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idunno, i may chicken out and go back down to the basic nutes yet...lol noy ready for that yet though. she is handling this fine, its my nerves that are rattled, lol.

have fun eh
 
This is from one plant?
unforgiven said:
day 50 is here

actually its all from future harvest, their hollands secret and plantlife additives lines.

the stats......T: 83.4...RH: 34....PH: 6.4....REST: 71....PPM: 2440

the pic....
20160830_195607.jpg


idunno, i may chicken out and go back down to the basic nutes yet...lol noy ready for that yet though. she is handling this fine, its my nerves that are rattled, lol.

have fun eh
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Chicken out ? Pfft you come on , I know better than that ..I mean when I saw 2440 I was like wtf ??? Lol You need to make sure that tds pen is calibrated ..lol. Anyway back when I first started hydro it was only base stuff so anything over 1200 was really high to me . You are using a full line , I'm not but next grow I'm going to since my shit is dialed in . That's why I said if you check you ppm after you add your base I bet it's a lot lower ppm is shit in the water not nessecarily stuff that will jack your plants .. If you where just running base with that ppm I would say just take the lighter into the tent tomorrow cause she will be nice and crisp .

Looking good though bud .
 
so on day 51 we must ask the question, which came first the chicken or the bud?

the chicken did....lmfao yep i did it. i went down to the basic nutes chart for 3 imp gal. just not happy with growth up top. or even more so the growth of roots. very disappointing. mebbe i'm just too impatient but at 50 days??? she should be a whole lot bigger than she is. may not even do dwc again for that matter. we'll see what the basic chart does for her. only thing is, there's no plantacillin in the basic. and if ya'll remember correctly, it was all the comments about use hydrogaurd that enticed me to make a change.

so the stats prior to the change.....T: 84.3...RH: 37....PH: 6.4....REST: 67.8....PPM: 2430

fresh from the tap cuz it was an unplanned change.....PH: 7.9....T: 69.6....PPM: 133

after adding nutes and some ph-....PH: 6.0....T: 69.7....PPM: 659

there it is, i'm gonna try like a normal guy instead of a freakshow, lol.

and the pic o the day....
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have fun eh
 
She still looks good . In regards to the growth imho it's the bean , not the dwc . I'm not even going to blame your nutes .. She looks healthy , she is just a slow grower . I have come across the same thing ..hell even in my current grow ..the blueberry didn't preform anywhere near the Gc and Ww .. Its the bean I tell ya . I would say give dwc one more shot .. Run a crop King White widow or green crack in that bitch and see where your at come day 50 ! Now if you don't think it's the bean the only other thing would actually be overfertaliztion at a seedling stage , just like in dirt you can stunt/retard the growth but usually it would be a pale green and your baby has a nice green color . .... Come on one more dwc and let me be your guide to the hydro side :).

Edit ...I'm going to read up on that root shit you got .. There is somthing that doesn't sound right about it especially if it shoots your ppm up by 1800. By the way how much where you using per gal ?
 
lmfao

yeah i was probably hasty in the decision. but lets see where this takes her. just the roots are puny. and one thing that sux they get tangled around the ice bottle and tearing off.

i guess i just like the soil for dealing with lots of things. temps being a big one. feeding and watering, heavy but easy.

think i got starry eyes looking at all the dwc's and just wanted to give it a go. it is proven, i know that much. i just haven't proven it yet lol.

i do have one more trick up my sleeve to try yet...

change the exhaust setup so the filter is outside the tents being pushed into rather than drawn in from the outsides. have the y pipe ready to go. and that is a full box of tube if i need to change some out so they are both equal lengths to get the same pull from both tents. wait...thats wrong too. i need a shorter hose on the 4x8 than the 5x5, due to a larger volume of c.f. might need to do some testing on it with a few different lengths to get the proper negative pressure on both tents simultaneously.

you could be right. it could be the bean....but that would suck cuz its a one off freebie. i'll get clones off of her anyways and preserve the strain by spraying. yep could also have been nutes too early. but she didn't look that way tho. like you say, she does look good, with very nice color. that has gotten a bit deeper since the light change i think.

yes i will likely give it another shot. just a bit frustrated with the growth. i figger i screwed it up anyways, or its the bean eh.

thanks for lookin out no pain, its good to bounce this crap off someone else lol.

have fun eh


No Pain said:
She still looks good . In regards to the growth imho it's the bean , not the dwc . I'm not even going to blame your nutes .. She looks healthy , she is just a slow grower . I have come across the same thing ..hell even in my current grow ..the blueberry didn't preform anywhere near the Gc and Ww .. Its the bean I tell ya . I would say give dwc one more shot .. Run a crop King White widow or green crack in that bitch and see where your at come day 50 ! Now if you don't think it's the bean the only other thing would actually be overfertaliztion at a seedling stage , just like in dirt you can stunt/retard the growth but usually it would be a pale green and your baby has a nice green color . .... Come on one more dwc and let me be your guide to the hydro side :).
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No problem brother .. I have a fresh roll of toilet paper to whips that shit off with . Lol

I edited my last post twice , you must have missed it ..I asked about that root stuff .... That was basically shooting your ppm up by 1800 ? How much are you using ?

Ice bottle and roots ?! Take the bottle out ! If the roots are touching the ice bottle your freezing that bitch lol . If you are real worried about your res temps get a box out and put a thick garbage bag in it with a layer of ice just on the bottom ..that way your cooling the bucket and not dipping the plant in the snow :) .. Or just don't use an ice bottle fir about a week and see how she does ... You know what I'm talking about ?

Edited ---- your gonna shit if your problem has been that bottle ..lol
 
so your sayin just live with the temps??

the root shit...lol...was just one of the things added. but i also changed to their extreme nutes chart. it is above somewhere.

new problem...just checkin on her temp is at 74 ppms jumped to 680???? something bad growing in there maybe??

still workin in the room. any ideas anyone. ill check back in here on da phone

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As far as a temp right now yes I'm on the road so I'll post more later in regards to the PPM's All she did was use more water don't worry about it right now
 
cool thx we'll chat later. stopped fer a smoke an checkin lol

No Pain said:
As far as a temp right now yes I'm on the road so I'll post more later in regards to the PPM's All she did was use more water don't worry about it right now
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unforgiven said:
cool thx we'll chat later. stopped fer a smoke an checkin lol
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Okay first the ice bottle . It didn't hit me until you posted that you weren't happy with the roots and that they stick to the bottle sometimes. My vision was a kid sticking his tongue to a Steele pole in the winter ( I'm sure we have all seen that movie :) ). Anyway it made perfect sense at that time you are Cooling the res water and that's the temp your taking ..but your not taking your plants temp , if the roots are touching that I don't bottle she is freezing and thus the slow growth ... She has summer on the top side but she is wearing snow shoes on the bottom.

When I first started hydro res temps weren't really a big deal , if the where I totally missed that and I battled high temps like high 80-90's and my plants roots did fine . Now my suggestion is you leave the ice bottle out for atleast a week and see how she does ..I'm guessing she will start to flourish go and and put your version on hydro guard in the mix I read and it's pretty much the same good bacteria as my hydroguard it call for less than a teaspoon per gallon 4ml a teaspoon is 5mil . It will help the roots in dealing with higher res temps after all part of its purpose is to prevent root rot :). The only thing I don't understand is why it shoots up your ppm's .

Now your going to love this suggestion . Lol. In regards to your nutes ..I'm going to say forget how old she is by days and put her on a schedule that is relative to her growth ..say week 2 veg ? In response to your ppm fluctuation your going to get that I do ..30 ppm's isn't shit . Now as we covered earlier in your journal when you start out with a ppm of say 600 in 5 gal of solution and you check it the next day and the solution level has dropped and your ppm's went up to say 620 ...what that is telling you is she is taking up more water than she is nutrients and you will get that with higher room temps because she is going to perspire more . Now let's say you start out at 600 and the next day the level has dropped and your ppm's are now 580 ...well that means she took in more nutes than water and I would look at giving her a stronger dose ...In either case do not doing anything right away . Let it go for about 3 days and keep an eye on her and your ppm's ..and make you adjustment at that time ...a stronger or weaker dose which ever is needed by the information you gathered over the course of those 3 days ... Write it down because if you are going to clone her ..guess what ? The magic number you find as far as nute strength and stage isn't going to change . Why ? Because your genetics didn't :) .

:) :passitleft:
 
hey thanks guys for looking in on us here.

lots of great info. not a book, but still alot to digest.

ok so firstly. i took the ice out, set the bucket in a rubbermaid tub, and put the bottle up against the bucket. will try that for a bit.

second, i already added plantacillin to the res. not exactly a measured dose, but eyeballed drizzle, well half a drizzle lol.

third. as to nutes, its all measured to the chart posted way back when. she is now on week 2. yes i based it on size, she ran week 1 for 2 weeks at extreme schedule. started week 2 extreme, chickened out and changed it to the basic schedule week 2. and now i added the plantacillin. didn't like the ph rise. will keep it up to date here.

fourth. usage by the plant. yep i remember that discussion, it makes perfect sense. also being in a hotter tent, will change how much she drinks too, so i may not see the ppms go as fast either.

i think the 2 things mostly that will affect her, is go by size(which i already do) and go by usage, which i need to keep more at the top of my mind.

all in all though, yes she looks healthy above ground. i would like to get setup to where i don't need to fart around with ice bottles at all. and i gotta think that it isn't impossible, cuz really they dont get ice bottles in nature.

update coming...
 
day 52 has rolled on leading us to more questions than answers...

not that she is doing bad, just slow. added the plantacillin for correction and root health.

the stats on opening up......T: 84.7...RH: 40....PH: 6.4....REST: 74.1....PPM: 680

the stats.............PH: 6.0....REST: 72.1....PPM: 682. now these were after adding the plantacillin and reemoving the ice bottle.

going with 2 pics today....woops
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and now she sits in a tub to try out the ice outside the bucket.
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have fun eh
 
Okay I say we are ready to rock and roll ... Like the tub and the ice bottle you could probably fit like 4 around her if you wanted right ? Now I haven't read a lot about res temp but my main take away was to help prevent root rot and that's where the beneficial bacteria comes into play . Your right about mother nature and ice bottles .. It's like what are the temps of the dirt in your pots ? Probably close to room temp unless it's after a fresh watering . I would be courious to see what your res temps would be without the ice bottle and just the bucket and then the bucket wrapped with a little insulation and still no ice . You can test this by simply filling a five gallon bucket and putting a lid on with panda over the top to mimic your dwc .

In regards to nutes ... Well I know you would love to run extreme . My recommendation would be let her go for a week like this and see how she does to rule out her just being slow . right now I would have to put my money on her roots touching the ice bottle making her cold slowing her down. In a week if she picks up I say and your probably going to read this part twice because I'm going to say go ahead and go extreme or half that amount ...just to satisfy your curious soul . :) .

Now show me them Roots ! We need a control pic so we can just after a week . Go on don't be shy post that pic ! Let's get her dialed in ! One other thing we have never talked about ..why kind of bubbling action do you have in that bucket ? Pic ? As in hydro that is another KEY component for a healthy root system as well as nutrient uptake .. The amount of oxygen in my system is what gives me the ability to run my nutes at such a low ppm .

Oh about the drizzle or the half of drizzle ..lol ...don't do it :) ...always measure ..always ..just get in that habit as hydro isn't as forgiving as soil . Everything happens FASTER . :)

Don't worry I'm going to turn you into a hydro guy yet ! :) :passitleft:
 
A wash tub like that with a frozen bottle at each corner and half filled with water then cover the whole thing with a thick blanket... Thats how i got my rez temps down. Now i just put my air pump intake in front of my central air register so it aerates my water with nice cool bubbles. Havent had a res temp over 68°F all summer

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unforgiven said:
day 52 has rolled on leading us to more questions than answers...

not that she is doing bad, just slow. added the plantacillin for correction and root health.

the stats on opening up......T: 84.7...RH: 40....PH: 6.4....REST: 74.1....PPM: 680

the stats.............PH: 6.0....REST: 72.1....PPM: 682. now these were after adding the plantacillin and reemoving the ice bottle.

going with 2 pics today....woops
20160901_174413.jpg


and now she sits in a tub to try out the ice outside the bucket.
20160901_181908_2.jpg


have fun eh
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Is that tube that goes to the bottom of the bucket . Is that how you fill you Res?
 
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