Thirvnrob's Power Plant - TLO Soil In SIP Containers

Chrondocious said:
I havent done sips style, but Ive used high N seabird guano in the past, with just darker than normal foliage and slight clawing. Your plants look very nice and happy so I wouldnt worry too much. I think The soil balances everything out a bit.
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The way I understand it, if the mistake is organic in nature, the TLO soil is (thankfully) more forgiving...
 
Thirvnrob said:
Also wanted to mention that the subject of lighting has always been intimidating to me. The first time I read a thread related or dedicated to lighting, I immediately rejected it as something too complex for me to learn. ppfd? par? Lumens? I've always wanted to just be told how far above my girls their light source should be but I finally understand these are general guidelines based on several variables. So I downloaded photone & paid a few bucks to unlock everything. I don't remember who suggested I do that, but thank you. It isn't nearly as hard to understand as I expected it to be...
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I started to use Photone recently too Rob. It's a good cheap way to get a safe amount of light on them.
Thirvnrob said:
The hardest part of growing in TLO soil (for me) is trusting the process. There was really no need to top dress...
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I laugh because I understand. :laughtwo: :passitleft:
 
Thirvnrob said:
I commented earlier about how difficult is to stay out of the way & trust the process in a TLO grow. I also mentioned in another post that I had top dressed with a high N mixture of 5-3-2 bat guano & kelp meal which was not a bad idea had I stuck to my original plan of vegging them for another 4 weeks, but I didn't do that. I flipped the lights a week after top dressing & consequently, flowering is off to a sluggish start. It was 12 days before I saw any pistils. Again, the sickly one is showing off already after three days of flowering. The others are beginning to catch on. I'm hoping the top dressing doesn't have a bad effect on my yield. Lesson learned. Since then, I've given water only...
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Your plants might need nitrogen to help with growth during stretch so I don't think the guano will be a problem.
 
If they're not showing any toxicities then they haven't been slowed down at all. All good!
 
InTheShed said:
If they're not showing any toxicities then they haven't been slowed down at all. All good!
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I have one brown spot on one leaf on one plant. Other than that, they’re green & beautiful. I defoliated two days ago because I had pm on a ton of fans. I have to say that I was bordering on being horrified afterwards. I thought I had over done it & maybe I did, but I had to do it again tonight. The older fans get huge in a couple days & they crowd each other out. I probably took 20 fans tonight, each of which had a few dew drops on them or were bunched up & impeding air flow.
I’m also struggling a little more than usual with controlling the RH. Clearly, the SIP method changes the RH in the room & the ambient outside is freaking 97% tonight.
I didn’t have my phone with me when I went out to tuck them in - I hadn’t expected to do anything but check the temp & RH, but I’ll post some pics tomorrow. They probably won’t look like they’ve been touched. But tonight my dehumidifier is set at 30% & I’m hoping that’ll bring the ambient in the room down to about 55%. Probably the best I can do for now…
 
Today is day 18 post flip - they’ve been flowering for 6 days. The one that was sickly has doubled in height & the other two are a few inches away from that milestone. They’re definitely not finished stretching.
RH is still giving me fits. I’ve learned to dial it in when I can & not fret over it when I can’t. I’ll probably defoliate again tomorrow. I can’t believe how quickly they churn out more leaves. If the last couple days are any indication, they’ll be crowding each other out by morning.
Still using water only & they’re all happy…
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Thirvnrob said:
Here’s a few more pics. I’m really pleased with these girls so far. Day 7 of flower…
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Great coat of pistils. :thumb:
Wow that's a Happy Garden. :welldone:
Great work.
Hope your having a great day my friend. :passitleft:




#VIVOSUN #Love What You Grow
Bill284 😎
 
Bill284 said:
Great coat of pistils. :thumb:
Wow that's a Happy Garden. :welldone:
Great work.
Hope your having a great day my friend. :passitleft:




#VIVOSUN #Love What You Grow
Bill284 😎
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I am having a great day sir, thanks!
I think I overdid it with the defoliation. I have claimed to have stopped panicking long ago, but the pm spooked me into a frenzy. Looking at them now (from the top) they look like they haven't been touched & that's after a second defoliation. It's almost overwhelming. I hope I remember to reflect on this point in the grow when I summarize everything.
RH is still my biggest challenge. With an A/C & a dehumidifier running the RH in the grow room reached 82% overnight. I mentioned in an earlier post that my original plan to control the environment wasn't working. The problem is that the adjacent room (where the A/C is located) isn't finished - gotta get that done.
All of that said, I'm watering with distilled water, removing fans if I have to & otherwise staying out of the way & they're killing it for this rookie! I think I hit the sweet spot with the TLO soil this time, & time will tell...
 
Thirvnrob said:
I went out to gaze at the girls & noticed the a/c wasn’t working. Thought I had tripped a breaker at first (as unlikely as that is) but the power strip/surge protector was the last thing I looked at. I guess it did its job…
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the power strip would only have been rated for 15a probably 1500 watt max. if the ac pulls more than that on start up it will fry the strip.

something doesn't seem right. are you sure you have 20a circuits?

normally you need a special outlet on a dedicated 20a circuit. 12 gauge drop cords are usually required, they are heavier than standard 14 gauge.


StoneOtter said:
I started to use Photone recently too Rob. It's a good cheap way to get a safe amount of light on them.
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as long as they read half decent an app will measure led as well as a lot of meters.





Thirvnrob said:
With an A/C & a dehumidifier running the RH in the grow room reached 82% overnight. I mentioned in an earlier post that my original plan to control the environment wasn't working. The problem is that the adjacent room (where the A/C is located) isn't finished - gotta get that done.
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are you running a scrubber and exhaust to outdoor ?

cheapest and easiest way to control rh is move air to outdoor. it's kinda the first line of defense. not many folk can get away bottling it up. a plant or two is no problem, by the time you're at 4 or most guys wind up having to move air.
you can set the exhaust now by temp or rh on a lot of fans even.
 
Thirvnrob said:
I do have a good exhaust fan. problem is, I'm pulling humid air into the room, dehumidifying that air & then sucking it out...
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where are you pulling air from ?


Thirvnrob said:
And yes, I'm sure I have the correct breakers. The whole shop is wired with 12/2 Romex
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noticed the receptacles. 20a receptacles look a little different. your shop is wired for heavier equipment, i was wondering why they kept the all the 15a receptacles. we have 15a, 20a and 30a wired into the garage.

i have heaters, air compressors, and a welder i run.
 
Thirvnrob said:
I'm pulling humid air into the room, dehumidifying that air & then sucking it out...
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Why not lose the carbon filter and run the air back into the room? It's not like it's a tiny enclosed space where you have to worry much about fresh air. Every time you open the door you bring fresh air in.
 
bluter said:
where are you pulling air from ?




noticed the receptacles. 20a receptacles look a little different. your shop is wired for heavier equipment, i was wondering why they kept the all the 15a receptacles. we have 15a, 20a and 30a wired into the garage.

i have heaters, air compressors, and a welder i run.
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I built the shop myself from the ground up. My son in-law is a master electrician who coached me through the wiring process. Some plugs are specifically designed for 20 amp circuitry but they can also look like normal circuits. The outlets themselves are rated for 20 amps. I'm confident in the way it was done...
 
InTheShed said:
Why not lose the carbon filter and run the air back into the room? It's not like it's a tiny enclosed space where you have to worry much about fresh air. Every time you open the door you bring fresh air in.
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I think I kind of get what you're saying - how would I accomplish that? It's vented to the outside now - would I need to close that vent? You have my attention...
 
Thirvnrob said:
I think I kind of get what you're saying - how would I accomplish that? It's vented to the outside now - would I need to close that vent? You have my attention...
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I would close the vent and blow the air around, which eliminates the need for the filter unless you want to take down the smell in the room itself.

Or if there are times of the day when the incoming RH is low, you can put the exhaust fan on a timer and bring in fresh air those times and have it off during the times the incoming RH is high.
 
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