TheBlaze: Genesis, Chapter 1, Verse 1

There's no visible Thrip damage on those plants. I could see it easily, it looks like mini drunk drivers painted white curlicues on your leafs.

Your picture could be of a thrip, gnat or flying aphid. There's just so many species of each, and I'm not sure what kinda bugs you get in S.A.

Not to freak you out, but since we're already at Defc0n-1, that might be a phylloxera, a flying root aphid. It fists (I'm leaving it!) your scenario too. Low root mass, no other issues, and they perked up after treatment.

I am totally NOT sure of any of this, but give this a look, and keep treating as mildly as you can for root/leaf based pests.

Since root development is also low, the medium might have had something in it out of whack. Might be worth it to uppot just in case, shake a bit off, and then fill with less perlite, more coco? If you're in 5s cut them off and go 7s...bump em up a size. I say this because the leaf damage doesn't look necessarily like pests, it is almost too uniform.

Here's some pics I stole under fair use.... farking IP attys lol.

Check to see if those are brown spots on your roots (could be coco bits), where these guys might be munching. As you can see, just this one species (grape phylloxera), has several different shapes and sizes ... fucking flying borg.

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Great to see them look better, a sight for sore eyes. You're on the right track of action my friend, positive vibes.
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Fucken excellent post CS! Thanks bud. I will read up on flying aphids. I do have a bit of a problem with black ants in the grow area. I know ants farm with aphids. Always thought flying aphids were green though.

I am currently in 7s mate. I can tell that the root systems in the remaining plants are much more extensive. They can drink 1.5L a day, which at this age is decent. Not great, but certainly not bad either.

Whatever bugs I have (and I have them, believe me), seem to respond well to neem. The spinosad drench tomorrow should seal the deal I think.

Thanks again! :thumb:
 
TheBlaze said:
Fucken excellent post CS! Thanks bud. I will read up on flying aphids. I do have a bit of a problem with black ants in the grow area. I know ants farm with aphids. Always thought flying aphids were green though.

I am currently in 7s mate. I can tell that the root systems in the remaining plants are much more extensive. They can drink 1.5L a day, which at this age is decent. Not great, but certainly not bad either.

Whatever bugs I have (and I have them, believe me), seem to respond well to neem. The spinosad drench tomorrow should seal the deal I think.

Thanks again! :thumb:
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Hope you finish them strong brother. You know coco man, don't know if I'm helping or hurting being a dirt guy, just hoping to see some dam thing.

Spino is the shit, thrips be toast in one spray, but spray twice lol.... BT isn't bad either if species is unknown. And maybe even a rough sand on top if needed. Cedar oil too, if you can find it, in addition to neem...the smell repells the flyers, fewer eggs. :high-five:
 
It definitely helps having a few ideas flying around in the thread. It makes me think of things I might not otherwise have thought of.

I am planning on doing a drench with spino though. Not spraying. Apparently, it is safe.
 
Plants are looking worse again.

I've noticed that when I give nutes, they go backwards, and when I give just calmag and pH'd water and then let them dry... they look better.

Going to run alot of water through them tomorrow and then top them off with spinosad and calmag. Will let them dry until they wilt a bit.
 
The flush revealed an ugly truth. I definitely have a pest problem. Lots of little winged bugs floating in the runoff. Even had small spiders floating in the runoff. The runoff from one plant even had a few small worm looking things. Like small maggots. There are ants crawling around in the coco. Plenty of fliers about when I was flushing. Identified 3 separate types. One looked like a small mosquito. Pretty sure those fungus gnats. Then there were some small white flies. I suppose it's not too far fetched to think those are white flies. Then there was a slightly larger fly thing. I took a photo but I'm having a hard time identifying what it is. There were quite a few of them.

Have a look at the photo, and let me know what you think it is.

Don't let the photo fool you. It is small. About 3 or 4mm in size.
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Yeah, that looks almost identical. How did you find that? Seems harmless going on the info on that page. I should do some more reading.

Thanks man!!
 
I'm going to war now. No more half measures. It's all guns blazing from now on. I'm used to growing on the second floor of a townhouse that has a small garden. I'm used to the occasional fungus gnat. The new site sits smack in the middle of a large, lush garden. This is going to be a steep learning curve for me, but I can already see that I will need to be a lot more aggressive when it comes to pest management.

Will be starting a new round of seeds in the next day or 2. I will make sure they benefit from a proper preventative plan. They will be treated even when healthy. The coco will be nuked with peroxide before planting. Every few weeks they will get neem and some form of organic insecticide drench.

Feral, I flushed yesterday, so I will let them dry out for about 3 days now.

I'm off to the garden shop today, to arm myself properly.
 
TheBlaze said:
I'm going to war now. No more half measures. It's all guns blazing from now on. I'm used to growing on the second floor of a townhouse that has a small garden. I'm used to the occasional fungus gnat. The new site sits smack in the middle of a large, lush garden. This is going to be a steep learning curve for me, but I can already see that I will need to be a lot more aggressive when it comes to pest management.

Will be starting a new round of seeds in the next day or 2. I will make sure they benefit from a proper preventative plan. They will be treated even when healthy. The coco will be nuked with peroxide before planting. Every few weeks they will get neem and some form of organic insecticide drench.

Feral, I flushed yesterday, so I will let them dry out for about 3 days now.

I'm off to the garden shop today, to arm myself properly.
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Holy cow what a rollercoaster this has been! It's good to see you take a "you won't defeat me attitude" though. I'm anxious to see the results of these next sets of seeds you are popping. Hopefully the pests were indeed the issue and your getting it solved and go back to growing POTM plants! I want to see this room full of lush green sooner than later...
 
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Spoke to one of the guys at the store, and he hinted at something. Won't go into too much detail, but seems I might not be the only one having these issues.

He suggested I repot with new medium. So I bought new coco. Will repot 1 or 2 plants soon and see how that goes. That doesn't mean I will give up the war on bugs. (see what I did there? Think I could campaign with that slogan?)
 
BTW, bought a tub of Eco-bb. Expensive stuff. Hope that means it will kick ass.

Here is some info:

Eco-Bb (Bb-Protec)

Bio-insecticide

Eco-Bb (Bb-Protec) is a concentrated wettable powder formulation of the entomopathogenic fungus, Beauveria bassiana which infects and kills whitefly, spider mite and various other agricultural insect pests.

This completely natural product is effective against various stages of the pest life cycle (eggs, larvae, pupae and adult). It is non-toxic and may be used right up to harvest when pest control options are limited.

Eco-Bb (Bb-Protec) can be used as a stand alone preventative pest control product or built in to an IPM program.

Mode of action

When Beauveria spores come into contact with the insect, they attach to and penetrate through the ‘skin’ or cuticle. This is achieved by the physical growth of the fungal mycelium aided by enzymes such as chitinase. Once inside the insect, the fungus grows and multiplies. Death is caused by internal tissue destruction and may be aided by toxins produced by the fungus.

Eco-Bb (Bb-Protec) is suitable for field and tunnel use, providing oil coated, UV protected spores effective against various stages of the pest life cycle.

The formulation prevents the fungal spores from drying out and becoming deactivated under field conditions that are less than favourable. It also enhances penetration and infection of the insect or mite pest.

Simple Application

The product can be applied as a full cover spray or drench into soil. It is mixed at a rate of 1 g/litre water and applied every 7 to 14 days at a rate of 300–900 g/ha, depending on spray volume, crop, growth stage and pest severity. Wetters or other adjuvants should not be used and the use of broad spectrum fungicides should be avoided for at least three days before and after Eco-Bb applications.
 
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