The Perpetual Healing Garden - SweetSue's Joyful Return

[SweetSue]

Thank you Rad. Some of the analogies you guys come up with..... Its a good day when you learn something new. Haha! That makes all the days here good.

 

[ShiggityFlip]

Sue don't you remember me sexing preflowers in my first grow? But I understand. Until you see them yourself developing in veg you don't really "see it". It's like going somewhere in a car. As a passenger I never remember the way. I have to drive there myself at least once!

It is for sure a perk of non fem photos and one of the reasons I wait so long to flower a photo, sometimes only flowering the clones. I just sexed my pineapple fields in the PF community thread. 3 male 3 female. That way I don't have to go beyond 1 gallon pots until they show sex. The 3 girls are in 3 gallons of Doc's soil now.

My X4 wilts. She is super sensitive to water and must go farther dry than the others before watering again. Otherwise she drops in disgust at me. Feeling her bottom has really helped me as she is often one or two days behind the others in watering.

 

[Heirloom]

My X4 wilts. She is super sensitive to water and must go farther dry than the others before watering again. Otherwise she drops in disgust at me.

Your mystery seed must be a hybrid, and it's taken on the Indica watering preference.

Anyone know why Indicas pout so easily when watered? (I'm asking if you know, I know why).

 

[ShiggityFlip]

 

[Barliman]

Thank you Pigeons. Not something I noticed before flipping. This is common with photos? This early in? I'm figuring about another month in veg. See? Just a noob myself. Lol!

Hi Sue, have a look at those preflowers on your DD. What colour are they?

Peace.

 

[MagicJim]

Your mystery seed must be a hybrid, and it's taken on the Indica watering preference.

Anyone know why Indicas pout so easily when watered? (I'm asking if you know, I know why).

So I hope you reveal what you know.

My guess....leaf structure. Usually wider = more mass = greater weight = inability to hold stem rigid. May actually receive more light as leaves curve to meet the bombardment of light from various angles.

Already smoked a couple bowls today so I'm looking forward to the real answer.

 

[Heirloom]

The actual cause of the (overwater) wilting is lack of oxygen. It switches metabolism from aerobic to anaerobic and shuts off water and ion transport. The plant drops it's leaves when the transport stops.

Why are Indicas more prone? In short, environmental adaptation. Compare the drastically different native regions of Sativa and Indica. Indica has adapted to dryer environments and as such has a lower water requirement. They show their heritage in both structure and attitude.

Obviously water availability isn't the only variable that has affected structure/preferences. Elevation, wind, other plant competition, native soil nutrient balance, latitude and insolation etc all play a role. Every living thing is continuously adapting. This is why we now have strains that seem to prefer to be grown indoors. They've been bred indoors for so many generations they are adapting to it.

In a nut shell.

 

[Pigeons420]

I don't even see pre-flowers here - just budding stalks.

Hey Rad, I was stumped too but then looked closer at the first picture and saw 2 tiny hairs poking out.

 

[SweetSue]

Good Morning everyone.

I can't tell you how wonderful it is to wake up to an educational discussion going on in the room while I dallied in bed. Sleeping well these days though. Always a good thing.

Sue don't you remember me sexing preflowers in my first grow? But I understand. Until you see them yourself developing in veg you don't really "see it". It's like going somewhere in a car. As a passenger I never remember the way. I have to drive there myself at least once!

It is for sure a perk of non fem photos and one of the reasons I wait so long to flower a photo, sometimes only flowering the clones. I just sexed my pineapple fields in the PF community thread. 3 male 3 female. That way I don't have to go beyond 1 gallon pots until they show sex. The 3 girls are in 3 gallons of Doc's soil now.

My X4 wilts. She is super sensitive to water and must go farther dry than the others before watering again. Otherwise she drops in disgust at me. Feeling her bottom has really helped me as she is often one or two days behind the others in watering.

This is a feminized seed, so I should have anticipated it. Being only the third photo I've grown as a photo, it doesn't surprise me that I missed it. Something about having the love of my life die kinda put me off my game there. I'm more alert now that I've made my way through the minefield that is grief.

Thank you guys for all the times you carried me through the rough spots.

Your mystery seed must be a hybrid, and it's taken on the Indica watering preference.

Anyone know why Indicas pout so easily when watered? (I'm asking if you know, I know why).

Oh yeah....... No better way to get this educator's ear than to ask such wonderful leading questions.

Hi Sue, have a look at those preflowers on your DD. What colour are they?

Peace.

I checked them yesterday Barliman. They're green. Definately green. There are some indicators that this may be one that does a more subtle color change in the last couple weeks, akin to my first attempt at growing the strain. I'll still get the same high, and in the end, that's why I grow them.

So I hope you reveal what you know.

My guess....leaf structure. Usually wider = more mass = greater weight = inability to hold stem rigid. May actually receive more light as leaves curve to meet the bombardment of light from various angles.

Already smoked a couple bowls today so I'm looking forward to the real answer.

Good guess, and my gut says some of this is very possible. Stoned or not my magical friend, you're learning the species.

The actual cause of the (overwater) wilting is lack of oxygen. It switches metabolism from aerobic to anaerobic and shuts off water and ion transport. The plant drops it's leaves when the transport stops.

Why are Indicas more prone? In short, environmental adaptation. Compare the drastically different native regions of Sativa and Indica. Indica has adapted to dryer environments and as such has a lower water requirement. They show their heritage in both structure and attitude.

Obviously water availability isn't the only variable that has affected structure/preferences. Elevation, wind, other plant competition, native soil nutrient balance, latitude and insolation etc all play a role. Every living thing is continuously adapting. This is why we now have strains that seem to prefer to be grown indoors. They've been bred indoors for so many generations they are adapting to it.

In a nut shell.

In a nut shell, + reps for that stellar bit of teaching. That explains a lot. I keep mine sitting on the SWICK, so my Indica dominant strains aren't drying out the way they need to? Hmmmmm...... Flashback to all the discussion about my initial grow and how the leaves rarely reached for the light the way we'd all anticipated. Maybe I need to rethink my use of the SWICK with indicas. Doc and Graytail both insisted it had something to do with them never drying out.

This has my attention. I'll let this idea percolate and bring it up on the SWICK thread for discussion.

 

[Heirloom]

I'm always amazed at how dry Indicas like it. I can't help you on the SWICK stuff, but maybe more aeration in the media, perhaps a sandier loam...IDK.

Fact is mine always seem happiest at the point I REALLY want to water them. I've adopted using a pump up 1.5L spray bottle to mitigate over water potential on them.

 

[SweetSue]

I'm always amazed at how dry Indicas like it. I can't help you on the SWICK stuff, but maybe more aeration in the media, perhaps a sandier loam...IDK.

Fact is mine always seem happiest at the point I REALLY want to water them. I've adopted using a pump up 1.5L spray bottle to mitigate over water potential on them.

I water mine with a fine spray to runoff. Takes longer, but it's more like rainfall in my opinion than the flood approach.

 

[SweetSue]

Daily Update: Day 41 & 43

I neglected to mention yesterday that the photo girls both got their Brix foliar yesterday. That was when I noticed the pre flowers that sent me into a mini panic. Thank you to those who rushed in. I spoke with Cajun as well, since he recently harvested his own CBD Critical Cure and he assured me this is really good news, and proof that she's maturing nicely. I've decided to accept this as an early indicator of a massive yield. Irrepressible optimism in action.

Not much going on today. The photo girls and Fantasmo Express, who apparently has no designs of going any more vertical. That's disappointing.

The auto tent.

Dark Devil Auto (Day 41)

There you have it. One more day of growth in my little corner of paradise. I sincerely hope your own gardens bring you the joy that mine bring me. Now take that joy and spread it around.

I'll be seeing you around the yards. I have some serious writing to tackle today to get this new thread off the ground over the weekend. I'm thinking an Easter launch. Kind of a nod to the rebirth of my life after Dale. Yeah, that sounds about right.

 

[Noob4x4grow]

Good morning SweetSue! Hugs for you and your garden.
Quick question: Wouldn't the swick prevent the plant from going into the dry periods? I thought that was important. The only reason I ask is because I see a lot of the gardens practice that technique. I could be wrong of course. I'm still a noob

 

[welshpony]

Loving the bushes Sue Looking real good.

Noob in veg you let it dry a bit so the roots search out water getting a nice root mass, in flower i tend to keep them moist and not let them dry out so they can use all the energy to produce some nice buds.

 

[SweetSue]

Good morning SweetSue! Hugs for you and your garden.
Quick question: Wouldn't the swick prevent the plant from going into the dry periods? I thought that was important. The only reason I ask is because I see a lot of the gardens practice that technique. I could be wrong of course. I'm still a noob

Hello my favorite noob.

The trick we've learned here is to get the plant through the initial veg stage utilizing the wet/dry cycle to encourage the root ball that'll continue to expand after you drop it onto the SWICK. My no-tills are an exception, since I don't allow them to dry out. But other soil growers on site have adapted their grows to accommodate the wet/dry cycle. Most let the filled reservoir go dry a few times in veg. Check out HealingKronic. He and his dad built a massive SWICK system for his grow space.

Grape Ape - 2000W - SWICK Watering

Brace yourself before you visit. He just posted pictures of his harvest that'll make you sick with envy.

 

[Noob4x4grow]

Hello my favorite noob.

The trick we've learned here is to get the plant through the initial veg stage utilizing the wet/dry cycle to encourage the root ball that'll continue to expand after you drop it onto the SWICK. My no-tills are an exception, since I don't allow them to dry out. But other soil growers on site have adapted their grows to accommodate the wet/dry cycle. Most let the filled reservoir go dry a few times in veg. Check out HealingKronic. He and his dad built a massive SWICK system for his grow space.

Grape Ape - 2000W - SWICK Watering

Brace yourself before you visit. He just posted pictures of his harvest that'll make you sick with envy.

LMAO just what I need. Another journal to subscribe to. Thank you SweetSue. Always there with the quick and informative answer.

More hugs for you

 

[SweetSue]

LMAO just what I need. Another journal to subscribe to. Thank you SweetSue. Always there with the quick and informative answer.

More hugs for you

These were nice to find. Thanks. I needed that.

 

[Noob4x4grow]

Good morning Sue

 

[SweetSue]

Good morning Sue

Good morning noob. Do we have a seedling yet?

 

[Noob4x4grow]

Sadly, no. I turned off the light this morning. :surrender: