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Is it possible that some strains have significantly different PH needs? I've never really run across that idea or thought in the forums before. hmmmmmmmmmmm.......
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It seems that way. I had all sorts of trouble with the Mama Thai at times, while the other plants were doing just fine. At the time my thoughts were...the opposite of what I am seeing, I thought the trouble was probably caused by low ph. So I compensated by raising it... (It didn't help)

their 'perfect ph' is 5.5. A fair bit lower than most
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Since the ph always seems to creep upward in the rootzone- it makes sense that a starting point of 5.2 would be an easier pill for the plant to swallow than 6.2 would be. 5.2 would at least be rising into the correct range, where 6.2 would be already on the high end and soon leave the accessible nutes behind as it rose.
I imagine one Mama Thai singing to the other one...

'How high's the ph Mama?
6.2 and risin...'


I don't mean to stay on 5.2 forever. I just wanted a nice degree of separation between the low and high, while the rest of the grow gets fed halfway between. I suppose I should carry on with the experiment a little longer- even though it's screwing up the MT High plant.
 
Peyote Purple nug shots.

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I'm thinking the expression 'nug' is an American one? The first time I heard it I was on a hippy bus heading north from Los Angeles - the ol Green Tortoise. The dude next to me kept asking everyone if they had a 'nug'. 'Really dyin' for a nug man..' I wasn't sure what he was after- I thought maybe... crack? At one of the stops he wandered off looking for that all important nug, missed the bus and was never seen again. Hope he found one...



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I imagine one Mama Thai singing to the other one...

'How high's the ph Mama?
6.2 and risin...'
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Oh dude... you know you're old when you can remember that old tune.


So... now you've got me wondering...
I'm running Pineapple Chunk at the moment. It seems to be a weird stringy plant. I wonder if it would thicken up and stop dropping so many leaves if I lowered it's ph? Hell, I'm now wondering if all my girls need a lower PH diet.
I see some testing in my near future.
 
Honestly I haven't figured the PC out. Going through a bit of the common early flowering blues right now, or should I say yellows, with some of the plants, including a P Chunk. I know the P Chunk can be fed reasonably heavily (compared to my usual light feeders anyway) and do well- but even apart from the feeding schedule I often have 'mysterious' problems with it and it usually isn't very healthy somehow. I've also had runs of it where it did very well. Never nailed it down. I usually don't
I was definitely aiming at the lower end of ph when I fed them tonight. I can see I'll have to get some small plants in the flowering room someday and do some side by side ph/nute level tests on them. Thai Stick is also yellowing, so is the Malawi.
 
I feel we're both bumping our heads on a very common issue.
It's based in our broad array of different genetics. I mean, you want to find out what works in your world, so you gather several varieties that look like they might work for you and get them all going in one swell foop.
This, of course, means we don't tweak things for individuals as much as we could. We don't have the opportunity to test variations on clones in any sort of controlled way.
Hell, I bet keeping those 2 test plants in your garden is a touch of a PITA considering space limitations and feeding routine variations.

Meh!
It's so easy to get away from the KISS principles without even realizing it's happening.
 
It seems a bit of a pain keeping a couple test plants and mixing the appropriate potions, and having to assume that at least one of them is probably going to get beat up in the process, but I'm hoping it will make it possible to actually see results in a way that I can't when I'm doing one slow grow at a time. It only takes a few variables and screw ups before chaos reigns.
And so reigns it does.
 
That peyote purp is just a dandy, no question,, what a georgeous colour it has,, so nice,, great nug nug maker, well done. A worthy nug o De month indeed.

I have never had a plant turn all yeller on me,, what could do dat??seems like it should be so much more than just a simple ph issue, but, what do I know about this??? Nuttin, dats what. I definately believe a lower ph gives my plants better health. I keep my ph below 6.5 but will maybe start going to six.

Cheers to you folks, great discussion,, it will never end, ever,, ph is so variable,, and as tead mentioned, each plant thrives under different conditions, so, as you both mentioned, more experimentation be required, indeed,, ha

Cheers friends
 
As to the yellowing Nivek, I'm not sure. People associate it with nitrogen deficiency most often but that shouldn't be an issue in a flowering sativa. I'm very clueless. A basic botany/nutrient lesson could go a long way with me but I know I'll just carry on with the trial and error instead.
 
Weaselcracker said:
As to the yellowing Nivek, I'm not sure. People associate it with nitrogen deficiency most often but that shouldn't be an issue in a flowering sativa. I'm very clueless. A basic botany/nutrient lesson could go a long way with me but I know I'll just carry on with the trial and error instead.
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My Sativas, regardless of strain have always yellowed and dropped many more leaves than the Indica hybrids. I usually end up with "buds on a stick" at harvest, and nothing I do ever results in them revegging. The roots die off, and the branches wither, with or without foliage left for revegging purposes.

This is in both soil and perlite, regular or hempy, everything else being equal among the ladies.
 
I don't think it needs to be that way though AK. Yes sativas need less N and I expect them to be yellow at the end- but I know I'm doing something wrong when they drastically yellow earlier on. And I've grown the Malawi to finish a few times now without drastic yellowing- also the Mama Thai many times. It's been the last few rounds especially that have got the yellow fever. I'll have to bite the bullet and do some side by side tests with small clones.
 
I know this is completely off topic and I'm stoned but have you considered temperatures? I get crazy shit going on if I don't keep it within reasonable fluctuations, they give PH problems but it's the environment for me, just checking mate and I'd say sorry but I'd rather say share :passitleft:
 
Pretty sure there's no such thing as off topic around these parts.
I don't think temps are my issue. They seem to be well within the rang no matter how much I test. I have gotten hotspots under the lights a couple times and burned tips when they grew too close- but this is all over yellowing starting from the bottom and going up.
Graytail posted a chart on PotChimp's Thai Stick journal - relating humidity needs of the tropical plants to temps. These sativas grow in extremely humid climates and may need very high RH. Not something I can achieve without moulding out the rest of the grow. Still- I'm not sure that would cause the yellowing. Can't do much about that RH thing anyway.
I'm going to mess around with feed schedules and ph first I guess. :hmmmm:
 
Kriaze said:
I know this is completely off topic and I'm stoned but have you considered temperatures? I get crazy shit going on if I don't keep it within reasonable fluctuations, they give PH problems but it's the environment for me, just checking mate and I'd say sorry but I'd rather say share :passitleft:
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I'll share Kraize. Thanks. :passitleft: Weaselcracker?

I'm finishing up my hempy experiment soon and I can't get away from PHing water and trying to figure out nutrient levels fast enough. Give me a living organic soil any day. :laughtwo: I have much more respect for those of you who get it right.
 
you know you can easily help your RH with a wet towel or a dry one mate :ganjamon:
 
ah,, weaseley,, a key you mentioned, the nitrogen,, right,, well,, might explain why my plants don't yellow up much,, even when ripe,, urine,, i still do that nasty thing,, use it as fertilizer,, silly me,, i might stop using it when i go to advanced nutrients fert,, soon,, might,

i use it very sparingly for my flowering plants, but still some is there,,

as for the rh,, well, my sativas or mostly sativas seem to grow reasonably well for me,, and i struggle to keep my rh up to 40%, near ever,, a rainy period brings it up to 60 maybe for a night,, then back down to the 30's,, i wish i could get it higher,, but no luck yet

just throwin a few words in is all,, cheers friends,,
 
Kriaze said:
you know you can easily help your RH with a wet towel or a dry one mate :ganjamon:
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must admit,, i tried this before,, did not help one single bit,, and my flower room is tiny,, but,, thanks for the suggestion,, even iffin it's not fer me,, cheers
 
I only leave a watering can full of water in there and it works, I've heard about towels being used and I can see why, still I reckon spray from Urea will increase RH anyway lol
 
Well actually my local RH (outside) is extremely high. I have a dehumidifier in there which is just enough to keep the mould from getting out of control completely. Catch 22 I guess. Rh of my intake air is usually pushing 100%. ;)
 
One of the benefits of being a West coaster, weaseley,, a moss lawn,, really can be quite attractive in my opinion.

Btw, I never foliar spray in my flower room, mostly because I have too little room in there, is two levels in there, hard to work like foliar spraying, lights everywhere etc. U use the urine in the watering water,, maybe a 1/50 mix or so, just a bit

I thot I would be done with this folishness by now but I plod along, soon though,, up to the next level I will go,, soon, I keep sayin that, soon,, ha

Cheers agin friends
 
Yep- while others are shovelling snow I'm shovelling moss.
I wouldn't call it foolishness Nivek. You're proving that running a grow on free human waste can be done. Something that all of the third world farmers already know. Here it's probably so cutting edge that people don't even know how to react...
Those AN nutes are very expensive last I checked. Maybe they would save me a lot of trouble. I'd rather carry on with the Botanicare stuff I'm using just to figure out how to make this system work. Somehow, maybe, someday. Funny how hit and miss my grow is. Yes I know I'm turning out some beautiful plants over time but I'm also finding plenty of mysterious problems each grow. I'd think I should have nailed it down more by now.
I will try organic soil when/if I ever get it together. Might even try High-brix if I get rich. The drain to waste thing has promise - actually very easy as long as the ph stays in line, which it mostly has since I put the bubblers in.
For now I'll keep flogging this horse and moving forward, in circles, with a few zig zags and turns, spirals, etc.
 
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