Are you doing quads? What did you take off, Gee?The very same Carmen, after a full pruning.
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The Gee Spot - You Finally Found It
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I manifolded to 8 tops. I took off the 1st and second node branches. I topped the plant above the 3rd node and then topped each branch coming from the 3rd node 2 more times. Now the plant has 8 tops all coming from the 3rd node.
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20 days until flower.
A remote view of the grow while I enjoy the hippy life from an undisclosed island off the west coast of British Columbia.
Each top is actually 2.
When I get home there will be more training for the gals.
The canopy is coming in nicely.
Enjoy being a hippy! Your pics of the manifold are nice and clear. The plants look so healthy.
I’ve never seen anything like that.I love pics like this reminds me of what's going on with my Big Bull right now. I have these THCa diamonds as @iamhim likes to call them. We see this in droughting often, but when I saw the video on it, what happens is this: those stalks are the gateway of your cannabinoids. Yours are producing lots of resin and that pushes itself into those bulbous heads on the trichomes. When those heads get full of goo, they pop and drip onto nearby stalks producing the "twinning" effect. As it sits there open, it continues to seep all that delicious goo out and stacks itself. Point being, you're gonna have some sticky buds.
I got some macro shots of my Big Bull's, not scoped like yours but you'll see what I mean by stacking and that "diamond"
Totally cool, Gee, awesome growing buddy.
This was the process as I saw it happen over about a week or so....
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Hi @Gee64 - I’m just getting here. @Keffka has been helping me out with knowledge. I’m a coco/chem grower generally with a desire to go organic. I’m over yield being my driving factor. Now I want what I always wanted - bud that wins Cannabis Cups. I’m 100% convinced that no chem grown weed has ever won an award at a cup. So I have limited skills and half an understanding so far. (That’s being generous, already realizing there’s so much more to know here it’s rather intimidating). This thread is awesome. I stopped here for this morning as for me it isn’t a skim post. Greatly appreciated. All these guys hold you up pretty high. I’m beginning to see why. Great thread, thanks, happy I found it.My thoughts exactly, and its OUR room so float anything here and lets all learn and test it
What is the reason/advantage/reason for the choice to generate all the tops from the same node? Never seen that. I ask a ton of questions @Gee64, hope it’s okay to just let it fly?
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Hey Jon
Welcome!Float anything you want or need in here.
Im always up to something, as are Keff, Azi, and the rest so this isn't a grow journal per se, more of a science room and idea pool. Anything goes, even synthetic stuff as learning is learning.
Feel free to post and boast, we would love to see what you have grown and where you have come from to get where you are.
Im on a bit of a personal getaway in the forests I grew up in for a few more days but I will try to answer any questions or ideas you have, just dont be alarmed if it takes me a day or 2. By Saturday I should be home.
It's OUR room, and OUR means everyone equally, you included, so Keff, Azi, or a bunch of others may answer you too. They know their stuff.
In organics you need to ask the same question more than once so don't worry when that happens to you, just ask it again when you need an answer for what you are up to.
Welcome and Enjoy!
You da bomb @Gee64- a never ending wealth of knowledge and willingness to share. I love it.
Can’t thank you enough for that response, @Gee64! I know @Azimuth pretty well, he’s been a great resource despite being a sarcastic POS (you know I’m joking Azi), and thankfully, all you guys are reasonably nice people! (Lol!). @Krissi Carbone - I’d like to say publicly here that historically I have not watched you closely enough and have as a result severely underestimated you. I’m glad I have realized my folly. I DO feel welcomed and thanks so much. I always wanted to be a weed snob!Hey Jon
Float anything you want or need in here.
Im always up to something, as are Keff, Azi, and the rest so this isn't a grow journal per se, more of a science room and idea pool. Anything goes, even synthetic stuff as learning is learning.
Feel free to post and boast, we would love to see what you have grown and where you have come from to get where you are.
Im on a bit of a personal getaway in the forests I grew up in for a few more days but I will try to answer any questions or ideas you have, just dont be alarmed if it takes me a day or 2. By Saturday I should be home.
It's OUR room, and OUR means everyone equally, you included, so Keff, Azi, or a bunch of others may answer you too. They know their stuff.
In organics you need to ask the same question more than once so don't worry when that happens to you, just ask it again when you need an answer for what you are up to.
Welcome and Enjoy!
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I'm not sure of the exact science as I got the idea from a different site many years ago but the 1st node produces small branches, the 2nd node branches are referred to as the clone branches, and when growing from seed they do produce the best clones, and above the 3rd node is where the tutorial stated to top the plant.
I think its because you don't want staggered nodes so by topping above the 3rd node you get 2 equally unstaggered tops, then top each and you have 4, then top again and you have 8, which is where I stop as I like to grow 4 plants in my 5 x 5 tent, but I have topped again to 16, and some strains will allow 1 more topping to 32 before the nodes start to stagger.
By using the unstaggered nodes, all trunks are equal with no dominance and the manifold turns into 8 pipes all delivering the 8 mains equally. It makes for a nice even canopy and by the time you top the last ones you still have about 3 more weeks to grow the mains before flipping to flower.
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The only bad question is the one you don't ask. It takes months to do a grow and only seconds to answer a question. I'm a very patient guy so again, if you need to ask the same question over and over as things progress, I expect that. Until you see the full synergy in motion its just a collection of pieces that don't always make sense. It's not quite like reading the instructions off the back of a container. It takes time.
I’m down with all of that, @Gee64, although I significantly disagree on a couple points. Maybe this is a function of coco/chem, not sure, but on my plants and in my experience, I have almost always found the first node branches to be massively productive. I even took a scrog down to one first node branch one time at harvest to display the power of the first node branch. That said, when I go big with plants I tend to lose them up to 3.
As far as topping, I also disagree. I top almost always for indoor above node four. 90% of the time, when I do, there’s a gorgeous little quad right there, plus the two I just made from the topping is six. All big mains. These are from node 2 and 3. Then on node one branches, one of the two is always very obviously the more dominant. This is the one I generally keep, and once you lose the less dominant side, this side quickly catches up to the tops. From there I play it by ear. In terms of topping, I’ve done what you’re saying. I feel it waters down the colas too much. The way I see it is, the plant genetically contains X amount of energy to make buds. Letting it go naturally will give you the largest single cola every single time, but indoors your yield will suck and you'll get tons of flarf. I like to top the main once, and simply let it grow from there, while pulling the lower branches out into a ring. It works great outdoors. Minimal alteration to the plant and two towers of power up the middle. Point being, every time we top anywhere we dilute the size of our colas (and I think the potential power). The X loses power on each individual top the more number of tops it’s diluted into. Just a theory of sorts. There is a sweet spot somewhere I’ve been trying to find forever. It’s not a scrog. It’s not au naturale, and it’s not topping once at the main (I’m talking to max yield).
I’m more comfortable in the training realm than the myco. I feel I can speak semi intelligently about training. I’ve grown many different ways, trained a ton of different ways, and I like to experiment and try crazy things.
I grow autos and photos. I don’t want to clog this thread by displaying my stuff, many here have already seen it. But related to my commentary, and since you haven’t, here’s a few pics just for this showing you various training I’ve done and what I’m producing these days. Included are some outdoor plants done Sombrero style, the two tower plant. Thanks again, hope I’m allowed to disagree, lol!
The fourth picture is the closest I have ever come to the sweet spot I was referring to. It’s close-ish. The sweet spot number, imho, is less than 30 and more than ten.
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You are very much allowed to disagree, and a plant training expert I'm not. I do dissect everything and when you chop up a good manifold you see the 8 pipes, which is what sold me on it.I’m down with all of that, @Gee64, although I significantly disagree on a couple points. Maybe this is a function of coco/chem, not sure, but on my plants and in my experience, I have almost always found the first node branches to be massively productive. I even took a scrog down to one first node branch one time at harvest to display the power of the first node branch. That said, when I go big with plants I tend to lose them up to 3.
As far as topping, I also disagree. I top almost always for indoor above node four. 90% of the time, when I do, there’s a gorgeous little quad right there, plus the two I just made from the topping is six. All big mains. These are from node 2 and 3. Then on node one branches, one of the two is always very obviously the more dominant. This is the one I generally keep, and once you lose the less dominant side, this side quickly catches up to the tops. From there I play it by ear. In terms of topping, I’ve done what you’re saying. I feel it waters down the colas too much. The way I see it is, the plant genetically contains X amount of energy to make buds. Letting it go naturally will give you the largest single cola every single time, but indoors your yield will suck and you'll get tons of flarf. I like to top the main once, and simply let it grow from there, while pulling the lower branches out into a ring. It works great outdoors. Minimal alteration to the plant and two towers of power up the middle. Point being, every time we top anywhere we dilute the size of our colas (and I think the potential power). The X loses power on each individual top the more number of tops it’s diluted into. Just a theory of sorts. There is a sweet spot somewhere I’ve been trying to find forever. It’s not a scrog. It’s not au naturale, and it’s not topping once at the main (I’m talking to max yield).
I’m more comfortable in the training realm than the myco. I feel I can speak semi intelligently about training. I’ve grown many different ways, trained a ton of different ways, and I like to experiment and try crazy things.
I grow autos and photos. I don’t want to clog this thread by displaying my stuff, many here have already seen it. But related to my commentary, and since you haven’t, here’s a few pics just for this showing you various training I’ve done and what I’m producing these days. Included are some outdoor plants done Sombrero style, the two tower plant. Thanks again, hope I’m allowed to disagree, lol!
From clone I do things much differently, and from clone on a scrog I do it differently than from clone to a lollipop, or an au naturel. It's all art and an expression of you, and we all love weed porn so spam away with any pics you please.
It goes good with coffee in the morning
and ...well... lets be honest... Azi still isn't sure what a picture is so we need to influence him with examples ..... Jus sayin....
It's all good @Jon, I'm just a little girl growing some weed in the garden state....I'm not doing anything fancy schmancy my friend......I however, have always thought highly of you and your grows, especially considering your handicap and you still being able to throw down with the best of em
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Now thats morning coffee porn!I’m down with all of that, @Gee64, although I significantly disagree on a couple points. Maybe this is a function of coco/chem, not sure, but on my plants and in my experience, I have almost always found the first node branches to be massively productive. I even took a scrog down to one first node branch one time at harvest to display the power of the first node branch. That said, when I go big with plants I tend to lose them up to 3.
As far as topping, I also disagree. I top almost always for indoor above node four. 90% of the time, when I do, there’s a gorgeous little quad right there, plus the two I just made from the topping is six. All big mains. These are from node 2 and 3. Then on node one branches, one of the two is always very obviously the more dominant. This is the one I generally keep, and once you lose the less dominant side, this side quickly catches up to the tops. From there I play it by ear. In terms of topping, I’ve done what you’re saying. I feel it waters down the colas too much. The way I see it is, the plant genetically contains X amount of energy to make buds. Letting it go naturally will give you the largest single cola every single time, but indoors your yield will suck and you'll get tons of flarf. I like to top the main once, and simply let it grow from there, while pulling the lower branches out into a ring. It works great outdoors. Minimal alteration to the plant and two towers of power up the middle. Point being, every time we top anywhere we dilute the size of our colas (and I think the potential power). The X loses power on each individual top the more number of tops it’s diluted into. Just a theory of sorts. There is a sweet spot somewhere I’ve been trying to find forever. It’s not a scrog. It’s not au naturale, and it’s not topping once at the main (I’m talking to max yield).
I’m more comfortable in the training realm than the myco. I feel I can speak semi intelligently about training. I’ve grown many different ways, trained a ton of different ways, and I like to experiment and try crazy things.
I grow autos and photos. I don’t want to clog this thread by displaying my stuff, many here have already seen it. But related to my commentary, and since you haven’t, here’s a few pics just for this showing you various training I’ve done and what I’m producing these days. Included are some outdoor plants done Sombrero style, the two tower plant. Thanks again, hope I’m allowed to disagree, lol!
The fourth picture is the closest I have ever come to the sweet spot I was referring to. It’s close-ish. The sweet spot number, imho, is less than 30 and more than ten.
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Gee, Do people top less outdoors? Indoors when I check ppfd it is much different at top of canopy to bottom. Last indoor run I topped. I noticed slow growth for about a week. Outdoors the sun is a bit further away so it is the same amount of light at the top and bottom. A friend came by my outdoor grow and told me to trim bottom branches but I left them and they are now getting huge.
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I never top outside per se, but I do scrog and then thin it down to about 1 top per 2 sq. ft of canopy so an 8 x 8 ft scrog ends up at about 28-32 tops about 3-4 feet tall each and the scrog net is usually about 6 feet above the ground with no leaves or buds under the net. I dont normally grow indicas but when I do I rarely ever top them.
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Thanks, Gee