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Didn’t take long to realize you HAD to clone Miss Sticky, eh? If I grew a sativa that stacked as bulky as that one is I’d become a clone expert in a few hours and clone the crap out of it. Fucking whoa. ‘Scuse my French. It’s like it exploded. Rarely do I see sativas like this as fully fleshed out as this one. You’re looking at single, all-grown-together, gigantic colas. What’s the exact name of this strain please? And the breeder? And the clones a sick healthy. Insane.

Meanwhile; ALL your plants look amazing. You and my Yoda need to shoot the shit. You guys have the two best soil mixes of anyone I know. It shows in spades in your plants. I’m finding the same thing with organics as I did with chem weed: anyone can grow big and pretty buds in coco with nutes. But there are levels. My plants look fabulous and I’m super happy with the mix and all that. But there are levels. I can visually see the difference. A ton of that is soil. A good bit is also an insane amount of paying attention, which is likely an area I will never match you in. There are other factors too. Like watering. I can see by the consistent turgidity you get that your watering skills exceed mine, which I knew but now it matters to me. Which begs a question:

Would you mind describing and/or showing the tools you use to water and talk a little bit about your watering technique(s)? My biggest problem with effective watering, I’ve decided, is my lack of specified watering tools. I know all the shit. It’s just way hard to pull it off. I even have the patience, finally, lol.

I also have a question about light, but I want to ask it here if that’s okay. I know you haven’t done autos per se, but take my word for it - once they are into flower they are photos. There is exactly zero difference at that point on any level….except for the hours of light you give an auto. Obviously you’re giving the photos 12. I have always given my autos 20. I go 20/4 start to finish.

However - I was talking to Yoda today and he said, roughly, this: the plant grows at night. You may think of it as rest, but in that rest there’s a ton of action going on. The plant NEEDS that time. The dark time is when the roots grow the most in particular. If I were you, I’d start them at 18/6 and give them 6 hours a day while you develop roots. Once you’re watering all the way to the edge of the pot, the roots are cool, so now go to your 20/4 till flower. Once they hit flower, then go back to 18/6. I think the extra growth you’ll get will trump the extra light hours you get now.

Yoda has never grown an auto.

Any thoughts on this? Gee or anyone? I usually take anything dude says as gospel but I even told him I was gonna put this out to my boys in the forum. Super curious.

Thanks.
 
Jon said:
Didn’t take long to realize you HAD to clone Miss Sticky, eh? If I grew a sativa that stacked as bulky as that one is I’d become a clone expert in a few hours and clone the crap out of it. Fucking whoa. ‘Scuse my French. It’s like it exploded. Rarely do I see sativas like this as fully fleshed out as this one. You’re looking at single, all-grown-together, gigantic colas. What’s the exact name of this strain please? And the breeder? And the clones a sick healthy. Insane.

Meanwhile; ALL your plants look amazing. You and my Yoda need to shoot the shit. You guys have the two best soil mixes of anyone I know. It shows in spades in your plants. I’m finding the same thing with organics as I did with chem weed: anyone can grow big and pretty buds in coco with nutes. But there are levels. My plants look fabulous and I’m super happy with the mix and all that. But there are levels. I can visually see the difference. A ton of that is soil. A good bit is also an insane amount of paying attention, which is likely an area I will never match you in. There are other factors too. Like watering. I can see by the consistent turgidity you get that your watering skills exceed mine, which I knew but now it matters to me. Which begs a question:

Would you mind describing and/or showing the tools you use to water and talk a little bit about your watering technique(s)? My biggest problem with effective watering, I’ve decided, is my lack of specified watering tools. I know all the shit. It’s just way hard to pull it off. I even have the patience, finally, lol.
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Gimme awhile and I will write up my watering practices. Busy day but in a nutshell I use Emilya's style until the roots come in, then I try for more of an even moisture but not wet. I rely heavily on my Water Stik.
Jon said:
I also have a question about light, but I want to ask it here if that’s okay. I know you haven’t done autos per se, but take my word for it - once they are into flower they are photos. There is exactly zero difference at that point on any level….except for the hours of light you give an auto. Obviously you’re giving the photos 12. I have always given my autos 20. I go 20/4 start to finish.
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I know zero about auto's but darkness is important. A plant transpires and photosynthesizes sugars during the day, and respires and uses those sugars to fuel growth at night. Roots and shoots. So you definitely need a dark period for optimal health.

All my seedlings get 16/8 for 4 weeks, then 18/6 until flipping to 12/12. People seem to feel veg is for growing your plant as big as possible, when really it's about preparing your rootball to be able to eat enough in flower to fatten up.

Auto's started as ruderalis in the far north where summer days can easily be 20 hours long and if north enough 24 hours long, so auto's may have evolved to run differently. DLI numbers matter here. Add up how much light a photo gets in a lifetime of 112-126 days and then divide that by the 90-100 days an auto lives, and it should be pretty close,

Indicas with 8 week flower period
28 days x 16hrs = 448
28 more days at 18 hrs = 504
56 days at 12 = 672
total = 1624 hrs
1624÷90 days = 18.0444 hrs/day

Sativas with 70 day flower period
28 days x 16hrs = 448
28 more days at 18 hrs = 504
70 days at 12 = 840
total = 1792 hrs
1792÷90 days = 19.91111 hrs/day

So DLI would dictate that sativa autos want 20 hr days and indica autos want 18 hour days. Like I said, I know nothing about auto's, so this may be total garbage too, but that's where I would start at. If you want to flex those numbers a bit I bet you could dial in a strain pretty quickly if you start in this ball park.

Jon said:
However - I was talking to Yoda today and he said, roughly, this: the plant grows at night. You may think of it as rest, but in that rest there’s a ton of action going on. The plant NEEDS that time. The dark time is when the roots grow the most in particular. If I were you, I’d start them at 18/6 and give them 6 hours a day while you develop roots. Once you’re watering all the way to the edge of the pot, the roots are cool, so now go to your 20/4 till flower. Once they hit flower, then go back to 18/6. I think the extra growth you’ll get will trump the extra light hours you get now.
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I think his ideaology is solid.

Myself I don't like 20/4 on photo's, my plants show detriment and stress. I'm even toying with the idea of 17/7 in flower. I wish I had space for another flower tent so I could run some clones to compare.
Jon said:
Yoda has never grown an auto.

Any thoughts on this? Gee or anyone? I usually take anything dude says as gospel but I even told him I was gonna put this out to my boys in the forum. Super curious.

Thanks.
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I thought you & the other organaholics that hang out here might find this interesting. One of my SIPs had a leak & I had to top water her from day one. I still have watering skills thanks to @Emilya Green , but the SIP grew some serious roots. Top watered is first.
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Jon said:
Didn’t take long to realize you HAD to clone Miss Sticky, eh? If I grew a sativa that stacked as bulky as that one is I’d become a clone expert in a few hours and clone the crap out of it. Fucking whoa. ‘Scuse my French. It’s like it exploded. Rarely do I see sativas like this as fully fleshed out as this one. You’re looking at single, all-grown-together, gigantic colas. What’s the exact name of this strain please? And the breeder? And the clones a sick healthy. Insane.

Meanwhile; ALL your plants look amazing. You and my Yoda need to shoot the shit. You guys have the two best soil mixes of anyone I know. It shows in spades in your plants. I’m finding the same thing with organics as I did with chem weed: anyone can grow big and pretty buds in coco with nutes. But there are levels. My plants look fabulous and I’m super happy with the mix and all that. But there are levels. I can visually see the difference. A ton of that is soil. A good bit is also an insane amount of paying attention, which is likely an area I will never match you in. There are other factors too. Like watering. I can see by the consistent turgidity you get that your watering skills exceed mine, which I knew but now it matters to me. Which begs a question:

Would you mind describing and/or showing the tools you use to water and talk a little bit about your watering technique(s)? My biggest problem with effective watering, I’ve decided, is my lack of specified watering tools. I know all the shit. It’s just way hard to pull it off. I even have the patience, finally, lol.
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I use all sorts of watering tools. I have a 1 qt glass jar that I use for dolowater or fish water, that I hand water with.

I have a 1.5 litre long neck blue plastic kids elephant watering can that is very accurate with the pour coming out the trunk. Great for young plants when watering around the drip line.

I have home made auto watering drippers that run on a pond pump thats plugged into a wireless smart plug timer, so it can come on as many times per day as I want to drip each time for as many minutes as I want.

But mostly I rely on my cheepo single probe soil moisture meter AKA The Water Stik.

As for watering itself, I start with soil that is as wet as a freshly watered plant, and plant into that and as the seedling grows I let it dry down.

Once it's dried down then I follow the drip line until she can take full waterings on a wet/dry cycle. Then I usually give her a root dunk in RO water.

After that I usually water by hand until she really starts to grow and you have to give her more water every watering. Thats usually about week 5 of veg.

From there auto watering takes over and I probe her every day and keep dialing the drippers up.

After stretch is over she usually suddenly slows her drinking a bit, and I have to dial autowater back. At this point I try to give her multiple small hits from the drippers to keep her perfectly at 5 3/4 on the water stik needle and ride that for as long as possible.

You need to probe constantly and adjust.

VPD has a lot to do with it all because if you maintain a steady VPD then transpiration becomes steady.

If she needs dolowater or fish I turn off afternoon/evening watering and 1st morning watering so she's on the dry side, then give her whatever I'm feeding her, then turn auto watering back on.

When I use drippers I set them to accomodate a good spraying from a pump sprayer daily to wash EWC and top dressing in.
 
Thirvnrob said:
I thought you & the other organaholics that hang out here might find this interesting. One of my SIPs had a leak & I had to top water her from day one. I still have watering skills thanks to @Emilya Green , but the SIP grew some serious roots. Top watered is first.
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Wow that's some roots! 😎

That's some good carbon for recycling.

It's pretty interesting taking rootballs apart.
 
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My precision seedling watering tool. Likely German engineering. His name is Lucky.

Miss Sticky - Day 41 of Flower.
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The mains. They still look a bit hungry. I'm stuffing food into her as fast as I can. I still haven't given her a tea but I may have to.

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I gotta echo what @Jon said earlier. I’ve never seen a Sativa stack up & fatten up like that! True eye candy…
 
Stoner forgets. Is Miss Stuckey in a 7 gallon? And is it spiked?
 
Anyone wanna shed some light on “Tea’s” im doing an organic soil grow and i have heard about them, how often ? What to include in a tea ? Do i water a tea just like normal watering ? Thanx folks

PS: At my current state, im about to switch lites to 12/12 for flower, i guess im asking about a flowering tea if different from a vegge tea
 
The70’s said:
Anyone wanna shed some light on “Tea’s” im doing an organic soil grow and i have heard about them, how often ? What to include in a tea ? Do i water a tea just like normal watering ? Thanx folks

PS: At my current state, im about to switch lites to 12/12 for flower, i guess im asking about a flowering tea if different from a vegge tea
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I don't use teas very often but when I do I mostly use them to boost microbes, so my teas are 2 tbsp unsulphured blackstrap molasses, 5 gallons of RO water, and a couple tablespoons of kelp, all bubbled for 24 hours. Then I toss in a cup of EWC and bubble for 18-24 more hours.

When it's ready I like to gently water with RO water first to wet the soil and then cut the tea 50/50 with RO water and water fully.

If you wanted to add some veg or flower ingredients, such as 4-4-4 for veg, or some 2-8-4 for flower, add it on day 1 with the kelp and molasses and let it brew for a day before adding the EWC.

If you just want feed and no microbes you can skip the molasses and EWC and just brew the feed for 24-48 hours, cut 50/50, and serve.

The important part of teas is to stir it vigourously before you fill your watering can every single time or the last servings will be way to strong.

Brewing indoors helps as the tea brews better when warm, so I use the spare bathtub to bubble my 5gal buckets in and fill my watering can there. It can get messy.

I am a big fan of balance, so all the foods I add to a tea that's meant as a feed are the same as what I add to my soil mix and my spikes.

I did purchase 1 commercial dry mix tea blend called Vit Alive by Bluesky Organics and it works well as a feed. It needs to be cut 50/50 too.

Teas are very dense food sources and a lot of the goodness is already in suspension, so it is REALLY available, so cutting it 50/50 will save you some burned leaf tips. Also, because it is a strong feed I like to lower VPD by raising humidity about 8 points if I'm in flower, to slow the plant down a bit so she won't overfeed and fry her tips.

One warning about regular teas, such as weekly feeds.

The Black Strap Molasses (BSM) is pure carbon, and it's what microbes eat, so if you regularly feed sugar to the soil the microbes will get lazy and the plant will suffer long term as the microbes will stop chasing sugary exudates and just wait for the next tea to arrive, and as a result brix will crash.

One tea in veg and 1 in flower won't cause this, it's just a boost, but regular use of teas with BSM or other sugars in them will cause it.
 
Thirvnrob said:
I gotta echo what @Jon said earlier. I’ve never seen a Sativa stack up & fatten up like that! True eye candy…
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Isn't she! This one is a beauty🥰. She's not 100% happy but I don't know if she ever will be happy indoors. I can't imagine how big she would get outdoors. A bigger pot would have helped, I should have used a 27gal tote.
 
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