The Outdoor Gang.
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Damn dude, do you have a trim crew? Beautiful crop & I’m glad as hell I’m not your neighbor :p
 
Ok so I'm running 4 1 gallon fabric pots with a couple seeds I made in my small tent. So I'm mixing up the soil and adding some new and different ratios to help the small pots hit big boy Brix numbers lol. It's more than what I've been doing but little pots suck 😂.

My mix went like this...
~3 gallons of Mother Earth Ground Swell soil
~1 gallon old soil from the mother and father's pots
4 cups EWC
3 Tbsp of Power Bloom 2-8-4
3 Tbsp of All Purpose 4-4-4
2 Tbsp of Mineralized Phosphate
1 cup of uncooked Basmati rice
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In the pot I did soil then a layer of 1tsp 4-4-4, 1tsp 2-8-4, and 1/2 cup EWC. I repeated this for a total of 3 layers.
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I know it's not as hot as you make your soil but I'm building to that lol.

Man I wish I was your neighbor so I could see those girls in real life hahaha and get some of that sweet soil.
What’s the rice for gee1 ?
 
Miss Sticky - Day 8 of Flower.
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She has stretched her way up to 975-905 PPFD.

Miss Sticky aeroclones - Day 5 in soil.
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Water on the left, aloe on the right.

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Aloe.

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No aloe.

They are both doing well and growing, but the one that got aloe'd seems to be doing a bit better.

It's too soon to tell really, but it does look a little happier.
 
3 of my little ones had to go last night. Bud rot 🤦🏻‍♂️
All the Keren strain, and I think I may have the same issue with another 2 or 3.
Iv directed the oscillating fan down on em more and left it on 24/7 not much more I can do except hope 🙁
It’s these huge buds, iv never had em this big before, and where the leaves are all gone there’s no way of getting the moisture out of em,
The pistils on 2 of em are still white, and the trichs look clear, cloudy on others
Do yous think I should harvest ? It’s day 76 since I flipped the lights ?
 
3 of my little ones had to go last night. Bud rot 🤦🏻‍♂️
All the Keren strain, and I think I may have the same issue with another 2 or 3.
Iv directed the oscillating fan down on em more and left it on 24/7 not much more I can do except hope 🙁
It’s these huge buds, iv never had em this big before, and where the leaves are all gone there’s no way of getting the moisture out of em,
The pistils on 2 of em are still white, and the trichs look clear, cloudy on others
Do yous think I should harvest ? It’s day 76 since I flipped the lights ?
Thats 11 weeks, so they should be close. What strain/seed company are they?

If you are losing them to rot I would definitely harvest them. Are you adding any foliar sprays?

What is your RH in your grow space? What is your temperature at?

When brix get under 12, and in particular under 10, all sorts of issues move in as the plant's immunities are low.

Do you have any soil ready for your next grow?
 
Also, if you are overwatering (not saying you are, just an educatiinal point here) then not only are you creating an environment for molds, mildews and rots, but you are restricting oxygen to the roots which crashes brix (immunities) so it's a two for one in a bad way.

The plant gets weak and the environment gets conduscive to pathogens.

It's how/why overwatering rises to the top of the list for grower mistakes.

Overwatering also depletes calcium as it gets really mobile in water and literally falls out the bottom of the pots, which again sets you up for disaster.

When people get one of these

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it usually rocks their world as too just how wet they have been keeping their pots.

Seed descriptions help here. If the breeder says the plant requires more oxygen at the roots, or likes drier soil, that generally means it requires more oxygen, so closer to a 4.5, or closer to the low end of the green zone.

If the breeder states the plant likes a wetter soil or requires more nitrogen than normal, that generally means the sweet spot is a 6-7 as nitrogen requires more water.

If the breeder says Easy to grow, great for beginners, that is usually a 5- 6 and pretty much dead center of the green zone.

Most strains fall into the 5-6 zone. It's a good place to start. Veg may require a bit more water, such as a 6-7, but not always, as nitrogen is used more in veg and requires more water for assimilation.

Too wet soil will crash brix very fast. It causes starvation.
 
Thats 11 weeks, so they should be close. What strain/seed company are they?
Hi @Gee64 , I will answer what I can
The seeds I have are
Chemdawg, from here


And my others are Keren and blackcherrymoonrock, both from here

If you are losing them to rot I would definitely harvest them. Are you adding any foliar sprays?
No, iv not been doing any foliage spays
What is your RH in your grow space? What is your temperature at?
Now read this bit with squinted eyes, it might look better :rofl:
The temps are pretty high, around the 28-30
And the rh is really high, above 60
Although I just did check and the temp is 24, and humidity is 47, I don’t know if that’s because iv put the fan on 24/7
Or iv left the bedroom door open, but it is lights out,
The bedroom atm is 59, but that goes up to the high 60’s when I shut the door
When brix get under 12, and in particular under 10, all sorts of issues move in as the plant's immunities are low.
I did mange to brix one of the smaller plants the other day, it was around about 10, I will put a pic up, but I have give them a calmag watering since, and I intended on that being the last watering
Do you have any soil ready for your next grow?
And no, the room the tent is in is uncontrollable in the winter, one complete wall is glass doors and windows, I did try a winter grow last year and it was a nightmare, I had to have an oil radiator in the room trying to keep it at a decent temp which led to having puddles from condensation on my window seal , and I was getting condensation in the tent aswell, and not only that, I’m in a non friendly growing zone in i lol, and the landlords waiting to come and change the boiler, I’m running out of excuses to give him :rofl:
And that’s another reason I can’t have a extractor fan, iv tried loads and there all too noisy, atm iv got just a ordinary fan I’m my vent at the top of the tent, it’s sucks the tent in so I’m guessing it’s doing the job, but yeah, it’s pretty messy in it 🤦🏻‍♂️

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Also, if you are overwatering (not saying you are, just an educatiinal point here) then not only are you creating an environment for molds, mildews and rots, but you are restricting oxygen to the roots which crashes brix (immunities) so it's a two for one in a bad way.

The plant gets weak and the environment gets conduscive to pathogens.

It's how/why overwatering rises to the top of the list for grower mistakes.

Overwatering also depletes calcium as it gets really mobile in water and literally falls out the bottom of the pots, which again sets you up for disaster.

When people get one of these

Screenshot_20241001_032449_Amazon Shopping.jpg

it usually rocks their world as too just how wet they have been keeping their pots.

Seed descriptions help here. If the breeder says the plant requires more oxygen at the roots, or likes drier soil, that generally means it requires more oxygen, so closer to a 4.5, or closer to the low end of the green zone.

If the breeder states the plant likes a wetter soil or requires more nitrogen than normal, that generally means the sweet spot is a 6-7 as nitrogen requires more water.

If the breeder says Easy to grow, great for beginners, that is usually a 5- 6 and pretty much dead center of the green zone.

Most strains fall into the 5-6 zone. It's a good place to start. Veg may require a bit more water, such as a 6-7, but not always, as nitrogen is used more in veg and requires more water for assimilation.

Too wet soil will crash brix very fast. It causes starvation.
Yeah Gee Iv definitely got watering problems, I’m ok when I start the grow, but as the seasons change, that’s where I start to over water, the reason I’m thinking the swick would work much better for me, am I correct in thinking that you can’t over water with that method ?
 
3 of my little ones had to go last night. Bud rot 🤦🏻‍♂️
All the Keren strain, and I think I may have the same issue with another 2 or 3.
Iv directed the oscillating fan down on em more and left it on 24/7 not much more I can do except hope 🙁
It’s these huge buds, iv never had em this big before, and where the leaves are all gone there’s no way of getting the moisture out of em,
The pistils on 2 of em are still white, and the trichs look clear, cloudy on others
Do yous think I should harvest ? It’s day 76 since I flipped the lights ?
A couple of years back a few growers tried various microbe solutions as a foliar to prevent PM, bud rot, etc. I think @Bode might still use JMS with success, and @Danishoes21 used a willow leaf extract to great effect.

Bud Rot & Mold vs. MICROBES, an open source experiment

Several growers on this site have reported promising results by using microbes to battle molds and bud rot, or more specifically, using the microbes to keep them away.

I'm wondering if we, as a group, could help determine if there really is something to it and if these results might be translatable to various growing styles, media, and environments.

So, who's up for an experiment?

I'd propose that anyone interested in participating try it on at least one plant (the target plant) with at least one other plant in the same environment that's left untreated (the control). Much like the "Draughting" thread, we could all share our somewhat different approaches and results.

It won't be a true experiment since we all have slightly different variables, but maybe we can collectively determine some common elements that at least lead to a reduction of bud loss.

I'll tag a few in to see if there's enough interest and would encourage you all to do the same as the larger the testing universe, the more likely we will be to determine possible common elements that lead to success (or at least minimize losses).

The strategy involves making and applying a solution of microbes to the foliage and flowers of the selected plants in whatever interval and conditions you think best, and reporting both successes and failures here.

Making the Microbial Solution is pretty easy and is then applied with a handheld or garden sprayer. I've posted a Large batch and Small batch recipe in my "Alchemy" thread if you want to see what's involved

Anyone up for it?

Hi Azi,

Thanks again for the mention and keeping the thread on. I have to excuse myself as I have been absent from the community for some time now, nothing wrong just catching up with real life. Hope everyone is doing good and having a good holidays.

So down to subject; this season I tried something different, entirely base on the assumption that spray (citric acid) widely use by many helps fight and/or prevent mold, pm, rot and other fungal derived problems, I decided to research (in my humble way) the use of JMS made out of willow leaf. I had posted a test for around a month or so, I sprayed vigorously a set of leaves from a tree in my back yard that had a severe case of PM.
The exact solution I used was a generous amount of fresh willow leaf, when I said fresh I mean took them direct from the tree and did not wash them as I wanted all the microbes in the organic matter to be a part of the JMS. I the used a 1 litre maison jar stuffed the leafs (use of bark is also possible), I filled with rain water, added a tea spoon of unsulphured molasses to feed microbes, closed the jar and let it do its anaerobic process. I used the same maison jar with same organic material and I kept adding water and molasses after each use.
When I sprayed I started with small amount and worked my way up to no dilution, at the end I sprayed undiluted willow JMS.
To avoid run off it is suggested to use a wetting agent (Azi had suggested aloe) I had a bunch of Xanthan gum
[is a polysaccharide with many industrial uses, including as a common food additive. It is an effective thickening agent, emulsifier, and stabilizer that prevents ingredients from separating. It can be produced from simple sugars using a fermentation process and derives its name from the species of bacteria used, Xanthomonas campestris. Wikipedia]

I found that in small amounts Xanthan gum works perfectly as a wetting agent, small amounts is between 1-2 grms per litre of solution.

So what’s the main component that makes the Willow tree so good, it’s salicylic acid.


So based on the assumption that using citric acid to make surface ph to a more acidic environment helps prevent or fight PM, mold and other fungal illnesses on the surface of the leaves, I went with Salicylic Acid because not only will it make the environment slightly acidic it has science backing it as a anti fungal and many other science (aspirin has salicylic acid).

My results displayed on my grow this year, I started using heavy foliar spray during the months of September and October been the most vulnerable months for PM, rot, mold… I found that foliar spraying helped prevent any form of fungal disease, I had no case of mold or rot, and slim to none PM. I sprayed on the buds, soaked them to see how much they would take and if the would rot at all. I did not see a mayor incident of bud rot.

I would try this again on my next grow, with out a doubt.

By November 6 the phenos were still alive, by this time it had rained, snowed and despite having frostbite, they did not have mold, PM or bud rot.

Post in thread 'Vancouver Island 2022 Organic Grow'
Vancouver Island 2022 Organic Grow


I hope you find this helpful. Keep it tight and till the next grow.
 
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