The Gee Spot - You Finally Found It

[budnoob3]

These 2 look so much happier in larger pots.

Don’t they all?!

 

[g-one-three]

Purple Lemonade Fast Flowering
Day 30 of 12/12

Mother Earth GroundSwell soil, amended to Gaia Green suggestions
1.5cups of EWC bi-weekly
Gaia Green Power Bloom 2-8-4, 1 Tbsp/gallon weekly
BushDoctor CalMag 5ml/gallon at every watering
No pests
Lights are 200w Vivosun, 240w Phlizon both running at 70% ~820ppfd at the canopy
SIP buckets reservoir not being utilized due to the plants not adapting to the extra water
SCROG

This plant was a bonsai mother plant for me for about 9 months and had about 40 clones taken off her before she was placed into the flower tent. She was placed in the 5 gallon SIP bucket and allowed to veg about 4 weeks, during which time she picked up a nitrogen deficiency due to the overwatering of the SIP. Once it seemed to come out of that I flipped it to 12/12 and now it has some really interesting deficiency showing only on part of the plant. The unhealthy bud sites were slow to grow, zero stretch and until just recently had little to no growth. After changing the frequency of feeding CalMag, and watering, I'm seeing them start to show some growth.

This is a healthy bud site

 

[budnoob3]

Purple Lemonade Fast Flowering
Day 30 of 12/12

Mother Earth GroundSwell soil, amended to Gaia Green suggestions
1.5cups of EWC bi-weekly
Gaia Green Power Bloom 2-8-4, 1 Tbsp/gallon weekly
BushDoctor CalMag 5ml/gallon at every watering
No pests
Lights are 200w Vivosun, 240w Phlizon both running at 70% ~820ppfd at the canopy
SIP buckets reservoir not being utilized due to the plants not adapting to the extra water
SCROG

This plant was a bonsai mother plant for me for about 9 months and had about 40 clones taken off her before she was placed into the flower tent. She was placed in the 5 gallon SIP bucket and allowed to veg about 4 weeks, during which time she picked up a nitrogen deficiency due to the overwatering of the SIP. Once it seemed to come out of that I flipped it to 12/12 and now it has some really interesting deficiency showing only on part of the plant. The unhealthy bud sites were slow to grow, zero stretch and until just recently had little to no growth. After changing the frequency of feeding CalMag, and watering, I'm seeing them start to show some growth.

This is a healthy bud site

I probably can’t help but I can anticipate some questions
If it is in fact one plant, when did you start to notice the deficient areas?
What is your soil mix?
What is your water source and schedule?
Others will come up I’m sure.

 

[g-one-three]

I probably can’t help but I can anticipate some questions
If it is in fact one plant, when did you start to notice the deficient areas?

It is one plant, noticed it the last 2ish weeks of veg before I flipped

What is your soil mix?

Bagged soil, Mother Earth GroundSwell, amended with dynomyco, EWC and Gaia green

What is your water source and schedule?

RODI, 110ppm (the DI is due to be changed hence the extra ppm), watering 1/2gallon once the top 2-3 inches of soil dries, about every 2-3 days

Others will come up I’m sure.

 

[budnoob3]

Oh, and what size pot and please clarify ratio of amendment and perlite if any. As in 50% bagged with 20% ewc and so on

 

[Gidorah]

Day 56, 56, 41, and 38.

Otherwise we are stuck looking at these again. They brixed at 16.5 and fuzzy so even tho I declared Gaia a bust I'm recanting. If you use dolowater or CalMag then Gaia mix has potential as an easy cheap high brix mix. Emphasis on cheap.

But you need to add a form of calmag constantly.

Looking good Gee!

 

[Gee64]

Purple Lemonade Fast Flowering
Day 30 of 12/12

Mother Earth GroundSwell soil, amended to Gaia Green suggestions
1.5cups of EWC bi-weekly
Gaia Green Power Bloom 2-8-4, 1 Tbsp/gallon weekly
BushDoctor CalMag 5ml/gallon at every watering
No pests
Lights are 200w Vivosun, 240w Phlizon both running at 70% ~820ppfd at the canopy
SIP buckets reservoir not being utilized due to the plants not adapting to the extra water
SCROG

This plant was a bonsai mother plant for me for about 9 months and had about 40 clones taken off her before she was placed into the flower tent. She was placed in the 5 gallon SIP bucket and allowed to veg about 4 weeks, during which time she picked up a nitrogen deficiency due to the overwatering of the SIP. Once it seemed to come out of that I flipped it to 12/12 and now it has some really interesting deficiency showing only on part of the plant. The unhealthy bud sites were slow to grow, zero stretch and until just recently had little to no growth. After changing the frequency of feeding CalMag, and watering, I'm seeing them start to show some growth.

This is a healthy bud site

Did you ever determine if the bad zone is where the wire got overgrown by the plant? Could strangulation be the cause? It's a weird one, it looks like 2 completely different plants wrapped around each other. The deficiency area itself looks like overwatering. The other half of the plant seems just fine.

 

[Gee64]

Looking good Gee!

Thanks @Gidorah , how are your Ladies? They must be huge! Got any recent pics?

 

[Gee64]

It is one plant, noticed it the last 2ish weeks of veg before I flipped

Bagged soil, Mother Earth GroundSwell, amended with dynomyco, EWC and Gaia green

RODI, 110ppm (the DI is due to be changed hence the extra ppm), watering 1/2gallon once the top 2-3 inches of soil dries, about every 2-3 days

When you say RODI do you mean both reverse osmosis and deionized water?

Deionization removes oxygen which can cause a plant to look overwatered. Worse actually, it can cause full blown starvation in living soil. It can also promote anaerobic microlife.

If thats what you have then that could explain your issues.

Have you been using DI water from the beginning or could it coincide with the issue arising?

 

[Gidorah]

Thanks @Gidorah , how are your Ladies? They must be huge! Got any recent pics?

The IKLWA is about 7ft tall now, doing great so far. Wild Lady is still a runt. Just topdressed with Geoflora and EWC today. Hope all is well, happy Saturday evening.

 

[g-one-three]

Did you ever determine if the bad zone is where the wire got overgrown by the plant? Could strangulation be the cause? It's a weird one, it looks like 2 completely different plants wrapped around each other. The deficiency area itself looks like overwatering. The other half of the plant seems just fine.

Lol of course it's not even that plant. That plant looks great.

When you say RODI do you mean both reverse osmosis and deionized water?

Deionization removes oxygen which can cause a plant to look overwatered. Worse actually, it can cause full blown starvation in living soil. It can also promote anaerobic microlife.

If thats what you have then that could explain your issues.

Have you been using DI water from the beginning or could it coincide with the issue arising?

Yep it was the filter that I used when I had a saltwater aquarium. I filter about 20 gallons at a time and store it in a barrel until I need to water. I never figured that it'd be a big problem because it's filtering everything out of the water. I can bypass the DI easy enough. My water here is complete garbage and if I bypass the DI filter it should just come out as RO.

 

[Lerugged]

The IKLWA is about 7ft tall now, doing great so far. Wild Lady is still a runt. Just topdressed with Geoflora and EWC today. Hope all is well, happy Saturday evening.

Looks good but wondering if Wild Lady is getting enough sun. She should be beefy and bigger or same size as Iklwa at least.
Nice colour too m

 

[Gee64]

Lol of course it's not even that plant. That plant looks great.

Yep it was the filter that I used when I had a saltwater aquarium. I filter about 20 gallons at a time and store it in a barrel until I need to water. I never figured that it'd be a big problem because it's filtering everything out of the water. I can bypass the DI easy enough. My water here is complete garbage and if I bypass the DI filter it should just come out as RO.

I was just doing a bit of reading on deionized water. It says humans should not drink it because it will remove ions (both cations and anions) from our bodies as it reabsorbs what the deionization process removed from it.

It also said that if you use it for plants that it's an excellent base to build water from, as in if you add ions of your choice such as calcium and magnesium back into it, but RO is a better choice as it leaves both oxygen and CO2 in the water, and RO removes bacteria and pathogens that DI doesn't.

Your plant does look over watered in some aspects when it's definitely not as you are not using the SIP function and you are letting it dry down, so I would guess that it very well could be the DI process.

Over watered means lack of oxygen, which is why plants that are over watered look like they are starving.

Plant food must have an O2 molecule attached to it in order for a plant to recognize it as food.

I would try a flush of RO only water, drain the res, let her dry down again, and see what happens, however in flower that may cost you a few days growing time until she dries down.

The other option would be to continue your current watering schedule but lose the DI.

That would take longer to replace all the moisture with the RO only water, but would be gentler. I'm a tear off the bandaid kind of guy but I'm also the 1st to admit that sometimes that isn't the best approach, and I always have a couple pounds in my stash so that luxury allows for a failed grow, so thats a consideration too.

Half your plant looks fine so if your stash is low then protect that 1st.

Either way will work so your choice there.

Maybe split the difference by letting her really dry down but not wilt, then water her up without an actual flush?

Drain the reservoir either way for now so the only change is the type of water to see if you get better results?

This is interesting, because if that's the issue then the plant gets to choose which limbs get priority treatment. They never stop amazing me.

How many plants do you have in flower right now?

Are they all showing similar symptoms?

Have you successfully reached harvest using DI water in the past?

 

[Gee64]

The IKLWA is about 7ft tall now, doing great so far. Wild Lady is still a runt. Just topdressed with Geoflora and EWC today. Hope all is well, happy Saturday evening.

Wow Iklwa is really growing! She's going to be massive once stretch is done with her. It's too bad Wild Lady isn't as happy. Any ideas why she's falling behind?

The ones off to the left in the raised metal planter look pretty nice too

You are going to be busy come harvest season

Thanks for sharing G

 

[Gee64]

Purple Lemonade Fast Flowering
Day 30 of 12/12

Mother Earth GroundSwell soil, amended to Gaia Green suggestions
1.5cups of EWC bi-weekly
Gaia Green Power Bloom 2-8-4, 1 Tbsp/gallon weekly
BushDoctor CalMag 5ml/gallon at every watering
No pests
Lights are 200w Vivosun, 240w Phlizon both running at 70% ~820ppfd at the canopy
SIP buckets reservoir not being utilized due to the plants not adapting to the extra water
SCROG

This plant was a bonsai mother plant for me for about 9 months and had about 40 clones taken off her before she was placed into the flower tent. She was placed in the 5 gallon SIP bucket and allowed to veg about 4 weeks, during which time she picked up a nitrogen deficiency due to the overwatering of the SIP. Once it seemed to come out of that I flipped it to 12/12 and now it has some really interesting deficiency showing only on part of the plant. The unhealthy bud sites were slow to grow, zero stretch and until just recently had little to no growth. After changing the frequency of feeding CalMag, and watering, I'm seeing them start to show some growth.

This is a healthy bud site

Also, your VPD readout of 2.0, does that take leaf temperature into consideration or is it auto generated by the monitor?

If it's auto generated with no leaf temp input, thats the vpd of your air, not the vpd that your plant is running at when exposed to your air.

Read thru the instruction manual. If it has a "leaf temp offset" input option then I can tell you how to determine the real VPD, but you will need an IR thermometer gun.

VPD when applied correctly is a huge plus, and when applied incorrectly can be a huge detriment.

2.0 is way too high so I suspect that it has a leaf temp offset input area, it's just set to zero right now.

My VPD calculator only uses whole numbers, so the results are slightly different than yours which uses decimal points too, but if I plug in your values with a zero leaf temp offset then I get your values pretty much.

 

[Azimuth]

So does anyone out there have a plant with issues? If so toss some pics and info in here and we can all have a look and see what we can come up with.

Does it have to be pictures?

 

[Gee64]

That's up to you. You know how people use memes and just change the faces in the meme to fit the need, well we have an Azi meme group where we draw memes in crayons. Apparently you look a lot like Homer Simpson

 

[Gee64]

That's up to you. You know how people use memes and just change the faces in the meme to fit the need, well we have an Azi meme group where we draw memes in crayons. Apparently you look a lot like Homer Simpson

They are all pretty much the same, Homer...errr ... Azi growing miniature SIPS in a prison toilet tank with his girlish hands

 

[Gidorah]

Looks good but wondering if Wild Lady is getting enough sun. She should be beefy and bigger or same size as Iklwa at least.
Nice colour too m

Hi Matt. I would agree with you. I planted trees for privacy which worked but the downside is Wild Lady misses the moring sun and only gets overhead sun. IKLWA is far enough away to get all the sun. I also grew Wild Lady in used soil that I lightly amended with fresh soil. Still has a little time before flower, she might get a growth spurt as she gets taller and catches more sun.

 

[Gidorah]

Wow Iklwa is really growing! She's going to be massive once stretch is done with her. It's too bad Wild Lady isn't as happy. Any ideas why she's falling behind?

The ones off to the left in the raised metal planter look pretty nice too

You are going to be busy come harvest season

Thanks for sharing G

Thanks Gee. It's lack of sunlight. I have 3 plants in the metal tub and the one closest to Wild Lady is about the same size. The rest are normal sized. Tradeoff for privacy I guess.