The Gee Spot - You Finally Found It

I keep the fans but remove every other growth node (the ones growing up and down) so most of the biomass remains.

I've probably taken 3-5 leaves to brix them.
 
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Well the Gaia project is officially a bust. I'll cull the whole tent one day soon but my good soil is still 6 weeks away from use, so 4 weeks until I start in solos if thats the route I go. It's likely I will just to speed things up by a couple weeks.

I imagine it would likely do better in 10gal pots as Ikky made it in a 7. It's nowhere near strong enough for small pots.

At least I still have the programmers.

So lets continue but up the dolo water to 250 ppm and see what happens. See if it's just a calcium thing or if full starvation is right around the corner.

What could go wrong? 🤣

(as the worms rejoice)
 
Gee64 said:
Ok good. So how big are the plants? got a link to a similar sized one? Biomass to rootball ratio is what I'm looking to determine.
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Not sure what you're asking here. The soil volume is a cylinder 8" across by 7" deep and the canopy is 8" across x 5" from top of canopy to soil (quaded).

Gee64 said:
Also, does your mix contain any raw minerals such as rock dusts, fossilized bat guanos, or bone meals? Can I get a rundown of the mix that you cooked please?
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My amendments for 1.75 gallons of soil are:

4T Oyster shell flour
4T Crustacean meal
2T Gypsum
2T Prilled dolomite
2T Neem meal
4T Malted barley
4T Rock dust
2T Azomite
2T Alfalfa meal

The neem meal will be replaced with biochar next mix.
 
Azimuth said:
Not sure what you're asking here. The soil volume is a cylinder 8" across by 7" deep and the canopy is 8" across x 5" from top of canopy to soil (quaded).
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So the pot is only slightly smaller than the canopy, yes? 8x8x7 vs 8" diam by 7" tall?
Azimuth said:
My amendments for 1.75 gallons of soil are:

4T Oyster shell flour
4T Crustacean meal
2T Gypsum
2T Prilled dolomite
2T Neem meal
4T Malted barley
4T Rock dust
2T Azomite
2T Alfalfa meal

The neem meal will be replaced with biochar next mix.
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Here is Rev's mix cut to 1.75gal. Everything after the "/" is your amount. Any amount that you had zero of I included the N-P-K value, and the 4 ingredients at the bottom you have used and Rev didn't.

As you can see when the math is layed out your mix is very unbalanced compared to Rev's and your dolomite is low, your oyster shell is high, and oyster shell is very slow release and prilled dolomite is fast release, so calcium is compromised.

So try to use that to formulate a more balanced mix.

I like the barley, I would keep it. It's actually my next ingredient to test. I'm going to use it on my next Durban grow so I can tell if it had any impact.

T=Tablespoon I assume.

1.75 gals recycled soil
2.8 cups coco
EWC
4.25 T prilled dolomite /2T
1.5 T blood meal 13-1-.6 /0T
.75 T bat guano 7-3-1 /0T
.75 T glacial rock dust /4T
4.25 T feather meal 13-0-0 /0T
4.25 T bone meal 3-15-0 /0T
2.25 T greensand 0-0-3 /0T
.5 T SRP 0-3-0 /0T
3 T org basmati rice /0T
1.5 T gypsum /2T
4.25 T kelp meal 1-0-4 /0T
3 T alfalfa meal /2T
1.5 T oyster shell flour /4T

4T Crustacean meal 4-3-0
2T Neem meal 5-2-2
4T Malted barley
2T Azomite
 
Gee64 said:
So the pot is only slightly smaller than the canopy, yes? 8x8x7 vs 8" diam by 7" tall?
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Other way around. Pot is 8x8x7, Canopy is 8x8x5.
 
Gee64 said:
Here is Rev's mix cut to 1.75gal. Everything after the "/" is your amount. Any amount that you had zero of I included the N-P-K value, and the 4 ingredients at the bottom you have used and Rev didn't.
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Ok, but my goal is not a water-only grow ('cause small pots, backyard inputs, etc)

I'll adjust the calcium next round but I'm not wanting to buy a bunch of inputs at least before I know that I can't do what I'm trying to do.
 
Azimuth said:
Ok, but my goal is not a water-only grow ('cause small pots, backyard inputs, etc)

I'll adjust the calcium next round but I'm not wanting to buy a bunch of inputs at least before I know that I can't do what I'm trying to do.
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I hear you, I was more meaning try to match the missing NPK with your own forages and potions. Now you know what your mix is missing.
 
The comfrey/nettle combination should be pretty good in the npk and micros dept. Unfortunately my source doesn't list the N levels but I do know representative ppm for the others.
 
Azimuth said:
The comfrey/nettle combination should be pretty good in the npk and micros dept. Unfortunately my source doesn't list the N levels but I do know representative ppm for the others.
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To me your mix, other than shuffling your calciums around, is low in P and K. So if you have anything that is high in those 2 that would be an excellent start.

Dry it, crumble it into a meal, and then cook it into your soil instead of composting it seperately.

I know sweet potatos are high in K and Mg, as well as lots of carbon, so grating sweet potato, letting it dry into a meal, and then cooking that in would be a good addition. Possibly a kelp replacement.

Even if you need 3T of something to replace 1T from the recipe thats OK, and if it gets too high in proteins just add extra coco to offset the browns to greens so it cooks properly.

Lots of grains and grass seeds are high in P. Grind them in a blender and cook those in.

Thats just a couple I know of, I know you have tons on your lists.

They will work better cooked in than composted and added.

Go overboard a bit to ensure you get the P and K both up a fair bit.
 
For P I'm thinking my flower crumble and for K I'm planning on pumpkin seeds after this season, though I have Langbenite that I can use in the interim.

The comfrey has good npk so I thought supplementing that with the flowers and pumpkin seeds would give me a fighting chance.

I didn't have a big supply last year so I'm trying to increase my stocks this season.
 
Azimuth said:
For P I'm thinking my flower crumble and for K I'm planning on pumpkin seeds after this season, though I have Langbenite that I can use in the interim.

The comfrey has good npk so I thought supplementing that with the flowers and pumpkin seeds would give me a fighting chance.

I didn't have a big supply last year so I'm trying to increase my stocks this season.
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I think all that is really good. Seeds are fantastic. Lots of flours are actually high in lots of good things so any whole grain flours in your kitchen can be cooked in too. Google them for nutritional values.

Adding your crumbles to the soil prior to cooking will work best.

Well actually adding everything in to cook will work best, and bring it to life with your ewc instead of compost to avoid too much water retention. Let it turn into humates in the soil as it cooks.

I can't remember what watermelon is high in, but i think possibly K, so if you can grow them the seeds may grind up into a great additive.

However you figure it with your spreadsheet and such, try to sub things into where the zeros are 1st and see how that works out, then adjust. Just respect the browns to greens in your soil the same as composting, and make coco your brown until you can replace it safely from your own property.

If you want to use leaves instead then dry them and crumble them up into a meal and cook them in. A fine meal, similar to coco. Use a blender if you must.
 
Why would the meals work best cooked in at the beginning rather than as a weekly top dress with castings?
 
Also of note, the flowering plant needed water again yesterday after its big 1x flush with my castings tea on Saturday. Two days to drink all that water. :bravo:

Good thing I checked it with the meter as I would normally have ignored it thinking it'd need at least another day or two.
 
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