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ol hippy said:
Nicely said Roseman ! (regarding that long post back there) If we all lived like we believed in Karma this would be a much better place. We'd probably all have health care already ! And a pot full of chickens in our kitchens, instead of a kitchen full of pots cooking canna butter and hash !! :thumb: love that hash !! :peace: hello all just dropped in to read a bit and see how all you nice pot heads are doing !! :bong:
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Where ya been, Ol hippy?!?!? We have been missing your comedic relief!!!
 
Theanswerto1984is1776 said:
I pray to God that all those people in your life are helped by this "reform", I really do! Unfortunately I fear the worst, this bill is nothing but a total socialist takeover. Here is what the only honest Congressman left, has to say:
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Unfortunately the health care system in this country is terribly broke and needs fixing. We cannot continue on the current course if we are to remain a solvent nation. 10 years ago health care represented about 8% of the gross domestic product, today that figure stands at over 16%. That's 16% of every dollar spent in this country is going toward health care. It has been calculated that as a country we waste a minimum of $200 billion a year. That's wasted, thrown out the door, flushed down the toilet, burned! We cannot continue to waste that kind of money and still expect to be a functioning country, something has to be done.

My case, February 1st of last year (2009) my insurance premiums were $567/ month. I turned 55 on Feb. 7th, for March my premium went up to $690/ month. Then April 1st my was my companies insurance anniversary and my rates jumped up to $882/ month! My boss had to reduce costs as much as possible so he dropped our coverage a little which dropped my rate to $815/ month. To do this he raised our deductible to $1500 and my doctor visit co-pay is $65. Yes, even after paying $815 a month the last visit to my doctor still cost me $109, so when he referred me to another specialist I couldn't go, I just can't afford to spend that kind of money.

But I went back to my doctor for my last check up, he asked why I didn't go to the other doctor, I told him of the expense, and then he told me the reason for the referral, last fall they found blood in my stool. Now there's a very good chance it's nothing much, but this is one of the early signs of prostrate cancer and I need to have the much loved colonoscopy, but guess what friends and neighbors, I can't afford it! That procedure costs $2000 of which I'll have to pay the first $1500. I'm unemployed folks, I can't come up with the $1500, hell, I'm fighting to save my house now, where in the hell am I going to find that kind of money?

So, yes, right now, even though I have a good health insurance package I can't afford to go see the doctor and have the tests they recommend. Maybe that's the way it should be, I mean leave the sick to die off, make us a stronger country right! Weed out the week right! No, I don't think so, I hope that we, as a country, have progressed much further from the dark ages than that.

Now I'm no fan of the legislation that was passed, it has been so watered down and bastardized that is hardly even recognizable as a health care package. But to say that things should stay the way they are is simply absurd! The system does not work, I'm sick of the insurance companies and their "death panels" deciding who gets treated and who does not. I damn sure would prefer the government have more to say about that than some blood sucking insurance company executive. And to be quite frank, my mother is very satisfied with her medicare, the government does many things right, it has simply become politically expedient for the right to simply pass off everything the government does as bad.

So, we can leave the status quo, do nothing as one entire side of the aisle is asking for, or we can move ahead, bring this country into the 20th (yes 20th, we're so damn backward) and try to improve life in this country. I am ashamed when I see people living in our country flocking to these health fairs because they have not been properly treated, some in decades because they can;t afford it! The current situation is an embarrassment for any modern, industrialized nation.

I could go on, this is a very passionate concern of mine. Several years ago my health began to fail and that's when I got the full dose of the health care system. When you're young and don't need it who cares! Well, when you get up into your 50's your world will come crashing down around you unless you have to money to pay for it, the cost will be dear!
 
I think C.S Lewis said it best:

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."–C. S. Lewis (1898 — 1963)
 
ol hippy said:
Nicely said Roseman ! (regarding that long post back there) If we all lived like we believed in Karma this would be a much better place. We'd probably all have health care already ! And a pot full of chickens in our kitchens, instead of a kitchen full of pots cooking canna butter and hash !! :thumb: love that hash !! :peace: hello all just dropped in to read a bit and see how all you nice pot heads are doing !! :bong:
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Ol hippy, where you been? We've missed you.
 
FryingPanFlyer said:
Unfortunately the health care system in this country is terribly broke and needs fixing. We cannot continue on the current course if we are to remain a solvent nation. 10 years ago health care represented about 8% of the gross domestic product, today that figure stands at over 16%. That's 16% of every dollar spent in this country is going toward health care. It has been calculated that as a country we waste a minimum of $200 billion a year. That's wasted, thrown out the door, flushed down the toilet, burned! We cannot continue to waste that kind of money and still expect to be a functioning country, something has to be done.

My case, February 1st of last year (2009) my insurance premiums were $567/ month. I turned 55 on Feb. 7th, for March my premium went up to $690/ month. Then April 1st my was my companies insurance anniversary and my rates jumped up to $882/ month! My boss had to reduce costs as much as possible so he dropped our coverage a little which dropped my rate to $815/ month. To do this he raised our deductible to $1500 and my doctor visit co-pay is $65. Yes, even after paying $815 a month the last visit to my doctor still cost me $109, so when he referred me to another specialist I couldn't go, I just can't afford to spend that kind of money.

But I went back to my doctor for my last check up, he asked why I didn't go to the other doctor, I told him of the expense, and then he told me the reason for the referral, last fall they found blood in my stool. Now there's a very good chance it's nothing much, but this is one of the early signs of prostrate cancer and I need to have the much loved colonoscopy, but guess what friends and neighbors, I can't afford it! That procedure costs $2000 of which I'll have to pay the first $1500. I'm unemployed folks, I can't come up with the $1500, hell, I'm fighting to save my house now, where in the hell am I going to find that kind of money?

So, yes, right now, even though I have a good health insurance package I can't afford to go see the doctor and have the tests they recommend. Maybe that's the way it should be, I mean leave the sick to die off, make us a stronger country right! Weed out the week right! No, I don't think so, I hope that we, as a country, have progressed much further from the dark ages than that.

Now I'm no fan of the legislation that was passed, it has been so watered down and bastardized that is hardly even recognizable as a health care package. But to say that things should stay the way they are is simply absurd! The system does not work, I'm sick of the insurance companies and their "death panels" deciding who gets treated and who does not. I damn sure would prefer the government have more to say about that than some blood sucking insurance company executive. And to be quite frank, my mother is very satisfied with her medicare, the government does many things right, it has simply become politically expedient for the right to simply pass off everything the government does as bad.

So, we can leave the status quo, do nothing as one entire side of the aisle is asking for, or we can move ahead, bring this country into the 20th (yes 20th, we're so damn backward) and try to improve life in this country. I am ashamed when I see people living in our country flocking to these health fairs because they have not been properly treated, some in decades because they can;t afford it! The current situation is an embarrassment for any modern, industrialized nation.

I could go on, this is a very passionate concern of mine. Several years ago my health began to fail and that's when I got the full dose of the health care system. When you're young and don't need it who cares! Well, when you get up into your 50's your world will come crashing down around you unless you have to money to pay for it, the cost will be dear!
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I certainly don't think, nothing should be done, but this bill is NOT the answer!!!! My father has had two strokes, two heart attacks, diabetes.... and medicare totally SCREWED him over!! Now he is left to die with ZERO retirement!! I think the health care system needs SERIOUS change, but not in this form. The insurance companies need to be regulated, not the people of America. This bill will lead to the complete destruction of our economy and total collapse of the medical system. I have read many, of the 2000+ pages of this legislation and trust me, it is SOCIALISM!!

Even if it does save you money on your health care premiums, where do you think that savings is coming from? Read this:

The Internal Revenue Service (IRS) will see its largest expansion since withholding taxes were first enacted during WWII to enforce the glut of new tax mandates and penalties included in the Democrats' latest health care plan, according to Rep. Kevin Brady (R-TX)
A new analysis by the Joint Economic Committee and the House Ways & Means Committee minority staff estimates up to 16,500 new IRS personnel will be needed to collect, examine and audit new tax information mandated on families and small businesses in the 'reconciliation' bill being taken up by the U.S. House of Representatives this weekend, according to Brady.
"When most people think of health care reform they think of more doctors exams, not more IRS exams," says U.S. Congressman Kevin Brady, the top House Republican on the Joint Economic Committee. "Isn't the federal government already intruding enough into our lives? We need thousands of new doctors and nurses in America, not thousands more IRS agents."
Scores of new federal mandates and fifteen different tax increases totaling $400 billion are imposed under the Democratic House bill. In addition to more complicated tax returns, families and small businesses will be forced to reveal further tax information to the IRS, provide proof of 'government approved' health care and submit detailed sales information to comply with new excise taxes.
Scores of new federal mandates and fifteen different tax increases totaling $400 billion are imposed under the Democratic House bill. In addition to more complicated tax returns, families and small businesses will be forced to reveal further tax information to the IRS, provide proof of 'government approved' health care and submit detailed sales information to comply with new excise taxes.
 
One post about government run health care.

Anyone here retire from the military? I just talked to my youngest brother last night, he's the one coming to visit. Well he served 17 years in the Navy. Has was shooting for 20 but they washed him out after he tested HIV positive. They gave him a shot with a dirty needle, yes, the Navy gave it to him. Trust me, he's not gay.

We were talking about health care and the situation I'm in. He was really embarrassed because since he was discharged with a disability he has all the health benefits of someone who retired after full term. He's on the government run Tri-care health insurance. He pays (for him, his wife, and his 17 year old daughter) $480/year! And his co-pays are $12/ visit. He'd be dead by now if it wasn't for that government run heath insurance plan decided upon by government employees making decisions on his health care needs. There's plenty of proof that the government can indeed do what it takes if they are allowed to do it.
 
Theanswerto1984is1776 said:
I certainly don't think, nothing should be done, but this bill is NOT the answer!!!! My father has had two strokes, two heart attacks, diabetes.... and medicare totally SCREWED him over!! Now he is left to die with ZERO retirement!! I think the health care system needs SERIOUS change, but not in this form. The insurance companies need to be regulated, not the people of America. This bill will lead to the complete destruction of our economy and total collapse of the medical system. I have read many, of the 2000+ pages of this legislation and trust me, it is SOCIALISM!!
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Answer, the military is an expression of socialism, our schools are a form of socialism, our highway departments are a form of socialism. Society is, by very definition a form of socialism.

I don't want to get into this any further because it won't go in a good direction. But I believe the guarantee that our country will fall apart if we choose to care about our friends and neighbors just about as much as I believed all those that absolutely guaranteed that we would suffer a horrible terrorist attack in the first 6 months of an Obama administration. We see just exactly how correct that prediction was and I'm positive your prediction will have the exact same outcome.
 
so in the short navy gave your brother aids thats kind of f***ed if you ask me and i think he should be recieving a lil more than health insurance and retirement check im all about military we are all one as united but im sure glad i went with the army im sure we all make mistakes but that is one mistake that should never happen if they had been payin attention that kind of S*it really bothers me
 
GardenGuy24 said:
so in the short navy gave your brother aids thats kind of f***ed if you ask me and i think he should be recieving a lil more than health insurance and retirement check im all about military we are all one as united but im sure glad i went with the army im sure we all make mistakes but that is one mistake that should never happen if they had been payin attention that kind of S*it really bothers me
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The doctor gave me hepatitis C back in 1970. I was dating a girl whose sister worked in a restaurant where someone came down with Hep A, so they gave everyone close to her a gammaglobulin (sp?) shot, the shots were infected with Hep C, every one of us today has Hep C, a couple have died, it seems I've got a pretty tough system, but my liver is on the way out, I'll be looking for a new one unless something else gets me first!
 
FryingPanFlyer said:
Unfortunately the health care system in this country is terribly broke and needs fixing. We cannot continue on the current course if we are to remain a solvent nation. 10 years ago health care represented about 8% of the gross domestic product, today that figure stands at over 16%. That's 16% of every dollar spent in this country is going toward health care. It has been calculated that as a country we waste a minimum of $200 billion a year. That's wasted, thrown out the door, flushed down the toilet, burned! We cannot continue to waste that kind of money and still expect to be a functioning country, something has to be done.

My case, February 1st of last year (2009) my insurance premiums were $567/ month. I turned 55 on Feb. 7th, for March my premium went up to $690/ month. Then April 1st my was my companies insurance anniversary and my rates jumped up to $882/ month! My boss had to reduce costs as much as possible so he dropped our coverage a little which dropped my rate to $815/ month. To do this he raised our deductible to $1500 and my doctor visit co-pay is $65. Yes, even after paying $815 a month the last visit to my doctor still cost me $109, so when he referred me to another specialist I couldn't go, I just can't afford to spend that kind of money.

But I went back to my doctor for my last check up, he asked why I didn't go to the other doctor, I told him of the expense, and then he told me the reason for the referral, last fall they found blood in my stool. Now there's a very good chance it's nothing much, but this is one of the early signs of prostrate cancer and I need to have the much loved colonoscopy, but guess what friends and neighbors, I can't afford it! That procedure costs $2000 of which I'll have to pay the first $1500. I'm unemployed folks, I can't come up with the $1500, hell, I'm fighting to save my house now, where in the hell am I going to find that kind of money?

So, yes, right now, even though I have a good health insurance package I can't afford to go see the doctor and have the tests they recommend. Maybe that's the way it should be, I mean leave the sick to die off, make us a stronger country right! Weed out the week right! No, I don't think so, I hope that we, as a country, have progressed much further from the dark ages than that.

Now I'm no fan of the legislation that was passed, it has been so watered down and bastardized that is hardly even recognizable as a health care package. But to say that things should stay the way they are is simply absurd! The system does not work, I'm sick of the insurance companies and their "death panels" deciding who gets treated and who does not. I damn sure would prefer the government have more to say about that than some blood sucking insurance company executive. And to be quite frank, my mother is very satisfied with her medicare, the government does many things right, it has simply become politically expedient for the right to simply pass off everything the government does as bad.

So, we can leave the status quo, do nothing as one entire side of the aisle is asking for, or we can move ahead, bring this country into the 20th (yes 20th, we're so damn backward) and try to improve life in this country. I am ashamed when I see people living in our country flocking to these health fairs because they have not been properly treated, some in decades because they can;t afford it! The current situation is an embarrassment for any modern, industrialized nation.

I could go on, this is a very passionate concern of mine. Several years ago my health began to fail and that's when I got the full dose of the health care system. When you're young and don't need it who cares! Well, when you get up into your 50's your world will come crashing down around you unless you have to money to pay for it, the cost will be dear!
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FPF

As most of you do, I have health issues also. I have liver and kidney issues, need to see the primary every three months, have a gastrointerologist and a nephrologist, and I understand the need for health care. Believe me.

However, there are many ways to attack a problem, and the democratic method does not light a motivational fire under my butt. JUST the fact that they had to buy votes near the end from their own democratic congressmen who did not want to publicy fund abortions (good idea) makes you wonder what else is in this plan that we are unaware of? But most importantly, how are we going to pay for it? We have already bankrupted our future with the stimulus package that has not created jobs anywhere near the rhetoric. Now we will add another billion, or trillion, or quadrillion to the deficit. I ask Who is going to pay for that? Right now I would say the Chinese. When we owe them enough and can't make the payments, they will own the Golden Gate Bridge, Washington Monument and our best white widow too! Obama acts like he has a printing press company in his basement. All of this is so financially irresponsible. We will give health care to all, but jobs to no one. What a future.

I do want to say that I believe that we need to find a way to insure the poor members of our nation. Every American should have some kind of health care available to them. We don't need to fund abortion, insure all illegal aliens, and throw more and more money at a plan that will not work. The smart thing to do would have been to come up with a partisan plan to insure those who do not have insurance and leave the status-quo be. My graduate thesis was on funding a national health care system (I got an A) Obama gets an F. Some of the ways I recommended funding it was to legalize marajuana, tax it and and the proceeds to the health care program. Some gambling/lottery money, a tax on butts and booze, free education to doctors who will work the inner cities where population is highest and in return each doctor would take on 25 non insured people for a period of ten years. I'd have to find the thesis as there were a number of good ideas in it. Somehow, I came up with 375 billion dollars per year to fund the plan.

There are a lot of ways to get something done if you really believe in it. The reason this took so long is half of the lawmakers in our country hate it. Obama is not a leader. He is a very good orator, a guy with 184 days experience in Congress, and the answer to his problems is to throw money at it. It scares the heck out of me.

Peace

Sam
 
I find it hard to understand how it's ok when the insurance company raises rates by 8% or more every year but if your taxes were raised by a similar amount there would be pitchforks on the whitehouse lawn. When you are young I can see where you think insurance is an option but as we age it becomes a necessity.

IMO something had to be done quickly and this is the best we could get with one side saying no to everything that wasn't their idea. When you go to an emergency room it is filled with non-emergency cases and we all pay for it with increased charges. Flexibility and understanding is what is required and if you don't get it do what you can to improve what you can. Suffering of others is something I can't suffer.
 
Roseman said:
MC answered him in the very next post and I couldn't think of anything to add to it. When MC answers a question, he doesn't leave much room for additions. LOL
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That seems to hold true for all of ya' I noticed, one hits the nail on the head and the others just observe unless there is an error or something. No need to confuse a stoner any more than need be eh? haha
 
GardenGuy24 said:
but all in all i dont regret the service but i WONT do it again
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My son has done two tours in Iraq. He volunteered and I'm very proud of his service to our country. He's still in the reserves, the military does seem to work for him and I'm glad it does, he's made some incredible friends. Let's just say I'm not worried about my grand daughter, she will be protected. My son was on a personal security detail for a one star and a two star general the last time he was there. His best friend and my grand daughter's godfather is a Ranger. No, I feel sorry for anyone that messes with my grand daughter, they're gonna learn what hurt means!

Thankfully my son only pays $180/ month for his families insurance. That's the program I want in on, the same one the congressmen are on.

Plus my other brother did 20 years in the guard retiring a Major.
 
FryingPanFlyer said:
One post about government run health care.

Anyone here retire from the military? I just talked to my youngest brother last night, he's the one coming to visit. Well he served 17 years in the Navy. Has was shooting for 20 but they washed him out after he tested HIV positive. They gave him a shot with a dirty needle, yes, the Navy gave it to him. Trust me, he's not gay.

We were talking about health care and the situation I'm in. He was really embarrassed because since he was discharged with a disability he has all the health benefits of someone who retired after full term. He's on the government run Tri-care health insurance. He pays (for him, his wife, and his 17 year old daughter) $480/year! And his co-pays are $12/ visit. He'd be dead by now if it wasn't for that government run heath insurance plan decided upon by government employees making decisions on his health care needs. There's plenty of proof that the government can indeed do what it takes if they are allowed to do it.
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He would also be fine if the GOVERNMENT had not injected him with HIV, from a dirty needle!!!! I would certainly hope at the very least the government could provide for the veterans of this country, but that doesn't mean they will do the same on a grandiose scale. Sadly, if you visit the site Oathkeepers.org(which is a great sight for service men and woman who are serious about there oath to the Constitution) , you will see alot of veterans who are left to die, disabilities unconstitutionally cut off! I consider you a great friend FPF and wish you to only understand what I know to be true.
 
yeah i enjoyed it and it was fun for me i met some of my tightest friends in the service im honor grad and 101st airborne but now i have a family and with the way this country has been goin i wont join again i have a family now to be there for. But i agree MC lets get back to growing lol the peaceful subject
 

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