THC Bomb & WW/Skunk - CFL Hood/Veg HPS/Flower

Skybound said:
No apologies needed Capn'. I wanna know the same thing. Jay would you kindly discuss some experience or anything I need to know b/c when this WW/Sk#1 is tall enough, I'm topping about the top 2/3 of the plant to prepare for Flux and I want to use the top 2/3 as either 1 or 2 clones to discover gender as this was a Reg seed. I too want to know if cloning with the bubbler would be viable for me as I'm not greatly impressed with the clone dome I have. I would use it if I didn't feel comfortable trying a bubbler, but I just need to ensure at least 1 (maybe the only) clone survives so I can flower it right away.
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Jay, is there anything you can share?
 
Skybound said:
Jay, is there anything you can share?
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As far as any questions about fluxing (where and how much to top) I feel it would be best presented to Light Addict as he is the master

Regarding cloning my thoughts are: If you can not lose the clone I would stick to what you know rather than try something new...but I do think you will like using a bubbler cloner with a humidity dome and will have good success with I it. If you want to take the risk of trying something new for cloning it's up to you. If it was up to me I'd make the change if you are unhappy with your present system...but I make bad decisions all the time :)

Keep it in veg until the clones root...if they don't ...just take more and try again...this will cost you time in veg but at least you won't be out two plants...you will be vegging for a bit in order to achieve the flux anyway
 
I have just the one. If the other sprouts, it's a fem seed so I'll feel more comfortable, but if it don't I will get another one in the burner within days of writing off the THC Bomb.

i am eager to try the bubble cloner with a dome for a few days. I have read quite a lot about it, but I want to know things like do you submerse the stem in the bubbling water, or just above to catch exploding air bubble droplets? Do you mix in any kind of nutes or supps?
 
Skybound said:
I have just the one. If the other sprouts, it's a fem seed so I'll feel more comfortable, but if it don't I will get another one in the burner within days of writing off the THC Bomb.

i am eager to try the bubble cloner with a dome for a few days. I have read quite a lot about it, but I want to know things like do you submerse the stem in the bubbling water, or just above to catch exploding air bubble droplets? Do you mix in any kind of nutes or supps?
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I keep my stem 1/2 to 1 inch above the water...don't know if this is the best method...but it works for me. My reasoning is I want the stem to be moist but I also want it to search for water

I use the clonex clone solution in the res...it keeps the clones nice and green...if I don't use it the lower fan leaves usually yellow as the plant is feeding off itself...but they still root
 
I really hope the THC bomb sprouts for you. I have one in early flower now and I am very happy with it...it started budding after just a few days in flower and it is very frosty. It did not start out well...the leaves were twisted and deformed..I wrote it off and put it into flower earlier than the others but it turned around and is amazing now...good luck Sky:thumb:
 
I cheched the PH & PPM again this morning and it's @ 500 and a happy 5.8. I manually fed (plugged the top drip in for a few seconds) and I also checked the PM of the other mix I was feeding her and it came back at about 350, so jumping to 500 isn't as far of a stretch as I once thought. I also sent about 40ml of the 350 mix through the Tbomb cup. I really don't know why I won't admit the Tbomb isn't gonna grow, but I will keep on my thing for another 2 days just to truly make sure it will not grow. I am on the fence about dropping another seed. If this WW/Sk proves to be a female, it will likely overpower any other plant it's growing with in my small closet and being 2-3 weeks advanced, you can bet your bottom dollar on that and I don't want to waste a good fem seed if it'll get bullied.
 
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I have the 6" version of this air stone from Wally's. There is only the top facet of the stone with exposed surface area. The remaining 3 facets are plastic covered which prevents absorption. I do not know what materials it is made from, I just know I started with a natural PH of 5.6, jacked it to 5.9 and it subsided to 5.8. As stated, I expect it will continue to fall to it's natural PH of 5.6 which is good b/c I way under shot the dose of Silica to limit PPM climb, but since the Silica product I have is a pretty strong alkaline base, I can slightly bring the PH back up if need be, just gotta watch the PPM levels too.

I also want to get on record that this external res is really cool in temp. I measured last night and it was 21.0C (69.?F) and today it was 20.6C. AG knows these TDS meters also measure water temps in Celsius only, so we gotta convert back.
 
Haha, yea it was a pain when I first got it as I had to keep looking up conversions. Now I just follow a simple rule when converting from C to F. Take the degrees in Celsius and multiply by 2. Then add 30. The number you get should be in a 4 degree range of what the temp is in F. Of course this is just to get a basic estimate, as EXACT temps are necessary when doing deep water culture, etc.

My outside res temp sits at 19C (~68F). When doing the actual calculation it comes out to 66.2F!
 
She was dining on 350 for the last 2 weeks, I think she can handle the spike, but we'll find out none the less.
 
Skybound said:
No apologies needed Capn'. I wanna know the same thing. Jay would you kindly discuss some experience or anything I need to know b/c when this WW/Sk#1 is tall enough, I'm topping about the top 2/3 of the plant to prepare for Flux and I want to use the top 2/3 as either 1 or 2 clones to discover gender as this was a Reg seed. I too want to know if cloning with the bubbler would be viable for me as I'm not greatly impressed with the clone dome I have. I would use it if I didn't feel comfortable trying a bubbler, but I just need to ensure at least 1 (maybe the only) clone survives so I can flower it right away.
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Hey sky, what we were trying to say is there are a lot of variables with strains, room humidity, solution recipe, etc. Sometimes you do everything wrong and you have roots in 8 days... sometimes you do it all right and it takes 14, due to a slow rooting strain, whatever. What J was saying about cloning with no dome is rare. You might want to check out my cloning tutorial. All you need is a rockwool cube and some tupperware containers and follow the recipe, and it works EVERY TIME. There is not much to go wrong. All conditions exact... Aero / bubble cloners might root a day or two faster, but there is more to go wrong, and they take up space, which you don't have much of.

I'm probably wasting my breath here but... as far as cloning for sex, it's highly over-rated. It's better to go ahead and pop a few more beans. After they are big enough to flower, take a clone from each, put the parents in flower, and keep the clones on 18/6, then just throw away the males when they show sex. Easy as that!

Cloning for sex - and why it's a waste of my time: Let's say I am one month from seed, and I decide to take a clone for sex. Then I root it (and make sure it's rooted well) for two weeks, then I put them in flower (in your case, you will have to devise a separate flowering area) and wait another two weeks to see. Meanwhile, my mother plant will have already shown it's sex. Most strains show up in 6 weeks, and I've never had any take more than 2 months to show sex.

One last thing... when you start with just one or two seeds, you are very limited. You can't pick the best pheno of a few plants. My A.Orange is a perfect example. I only started 2 of my 5 seeds, and both were great smoke, but have WHIMPY sized buds. I was still able to reach my goals with them but they are not any showstoppers, that's for sure. I should have started with all 5 seeds, and then picked the best one.

All that said, as always, I'm diggin your DIY work and all the pictures. You are having way too much fun.

I just wrote a great article on seed germinating in my blog, which might help you.
 
No Cap'n, you're not wasting breath and thank you for taking time to ponder and give advise. It is unfortunate that my means have went from bad to worse from an overall stand point in that my budget up and walked out the room and left so my ability to change direction has to be chosen very carefully when considering my situation. My grow space is pretty good for height, but the footprint is slightly less than that of your average 40 gallon fish tank so I have to choose a grow style that I think would be complemented by this narrow space. My current CFL hood is 13" wide and only has about an inch clearance each side. This is why I am directing my grow to veg out the same as Light Addict's Flux plant. I really think it will be the most efficient way to maximize my ability to control the plants overall growth rendering my fate in my own hands so to speak, and I also believe that your veg recipe in conjunction with your summation of Heisenberg's Tea, in the cubes with the top feed into air pots will further complement the Flux and this plant's ability to get way out of control in my little space. So this plant once it reaches a comfortable height where I can rip off most of the top to get that low node split and still have ample foliage remaining to bounce back quicker to only be tortured on the flux rack for several more weeks. If my budget further prohibits me from acquiring lumber to build a slightly larger closet that's big enough to fit the HID with ducting, we will have to try to finish the grow in the cramped space we currently have. This would not be a friendly environment for a rapid growing plant in tall scrog. Even if I could build this other box, it would still be very tight.

I have a clone dome that is 20x10 which does fit into the upper 30x15 room slightly, but when I get those little PC fans in there moving air, the dome becomes hard to work with. Bubble cloning has been successful with many other growers and only requires water and air. A dome (IMO) should be used for the first few days as the cutting doesn't yet have roots to pull in enough water to sustain, but once little stubs start to protrude from amputated node points, what would stop the roots from exploding with growth like DWC? I'm still on the fence with that as I know I could easily make a smaller clone tray from a red and a clear solo cup, but I could also cut an upper side off a 1 gallon jug and make a good environment for both bubble or RW.
 
hey sky

finally caught up on ya grow:cheertwo: , this journal grows fast :bravo:, you seem to be in good hands here and also im loving your set up and info provided:goodjob: nice pictures and plants too :)

reps coming ur way for sure :)
 
Im really looking forward to how you go on your fluxing journey buddy. Best botanical wishes of green!
 
Minor update 11/09 Veg Week 01 (22)/VD08,

This young plant is doing very well in 500 PPM. The minor deficiencies appear to be abating and color everywhere looks (IMO) great. A minor set back though, the PH in this small res is climbing crazily. After making, I left it sit for about 12 hours to see what the PH was and it was 5.6 so I thought I'd be able to bounce it between that and 6.0, however it has developed a mind of it's own and has climbed all the way up to 7.4 since earlier today. I brought it back down to 4.8 2 hours ago and it's already up to 5.6 already. Feeding time is about another 2hours, so I will try to have it optimal by then. Also I lightly redesigned some things. I made a little hose holder to direct water downwards and allow me to randomly spin the cup. I also took the legs off the flux rack and hung it similar to the famous operating rack Frankenstein was always strapped to. I need to get some chain to make it official and adequately supported. Next mod will be to poke a 5/8" hole smack dead between the 2 sites and feed the 1/2" poly to. I made this 1/2" to 1/4" split fitting from a poly plug and an aquarium Tee. I drilled a slightly smaller hole in the plug, put a dab of PVC cement onto the tee and jammed it into the small hole till it bottomed out. After the cement cured over night, I cant even break them apart and I tried hard, so it WILL hold pressure. From there, I an easily drip the 2 sites. And the pics;

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Looking good in here Sky!

I really wonder why your pH is spiking like that. It is a drip-to-waste system currently right? I asked because I am testing my pH boundaries as well. The pH in my recirculating res always seems to rise, but if left to sit without being mixed into my res, it reamins stable. I think it may have something to do with my bacteria, in my case. I still have a few more hours of testing, and with helpful advice from the Capn, I will get back to you on my theories for pH fluctuation!
 
Looking great, Sky.

Watch those leaf tips curling down.... it's usually a sign of PPM too high. A guide I use is:

1st week = 100ppm
2nd week = 200ppm
3rd week = 300ppm
4th week = 400ppm
And so on, topping out at 600 in veg.
 
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