Tead's Indoor-ish, Winter, Hempy, OGK, SOG

[Skybound]

Hmmm yes wisdom, feels a little far away right now young grasshoppers. Figuring out Hydro Buddy has been like opening up a can of worms for me. My plants have been looking so purple and yellow if the police saw those girls they’d arrest me on the spot. What could I say- ‘bitches just wouldn’t listen, wouldn’t cooperate’? ‘Skybound told me to do it’? It’s going to take me a while to get to the end of the whole delicious can at the rate I’m going. But- whatever feeding routine you’re using in perlite now might transfer over to peat moss no problem. I did sort of ok with the Botanicare ml/gallon schedule for years. Now that I’m trying to screw around with things to make it more perfect, they’re complaining. Don’t know whats good for them..

After failing with my regimen and returning to what worked for you in the past, you should have mapped those doses on HB, to see what your elemental ppm was, then from that point begin tweaking the macros to see if you can't work out any of the problems you see with what you have on your shelf. I admit, it's a royal PITA when you only have already mixed blends to work with, but you definitely can trick the app to output different doses to give you different concentrations. It's very helpful to have a perpetual grow going on which enables you to test your feed regimen across various stages of life. When I tested 6 different regimens when trying high brix hydro, I was able to learn what I needed in 2 weeks of observation due to testing on veg, early/mid/&late bloom all at the same time.

I looked into the Hydro Buddy program. It's not the most intuitive thing to use but eventually I figured it out. I started sourcing the salts needed to make what I wanted and it was going to cost a substantial amount, although I'd have a ton of fertilizer when I was done. Just didn't make sense for me and my little grow tent. If I had a bigger space, growing more plants, maybe it would.

I was able to put together a Bill of Materials on my DIY Nutes thread. Since making that BOM, I also added monoammonium phosphate and gypsum to it, but all together, it all comes in under $200 before shipping and that's enough to last me about a year before I'll need to reorder a few of the highly used complexes like Calcium Nitrate. The BOM aims to get the minimum needed to mix your own micro nutrient concentrate, preserve it, then it's VERY easy to tweak your macro targets once your micro mix is to your liking. FWIW, I'm on my second micro blend so far, and both grew good plants, but myself wanting what is ideal and not knowing exactly what that is, make minor adjustments as I go. But if you get the salts, you can emulate Megacrop, GH, Jack's 321, or any other nutrient regimen that lists the guaranteed analysis on the packaging.

 

[Skybound]

FWIW, I'm really digging these numbers from MC Vegan and Botanicare CalMag.

 

[farside05]

After failing with my regimen and returning to what worked for you in the past, you should have mapped those doses on HB, to see what your elemental ppm was, then from that point begin tweaking the macros to see if you can't work out any of the problems you see with what you have on your shelf. I admit, it's a royal PITA when you only have already mixed blends to work with, but you definitely can trick the app to output different doses to give you different concentrations. It's very helpful to have a perpetual grow going on which enables you to test your feed regimen across various stages of life. When I tested 6 different regimens when trying high brix hydro, I was able to learn what I needed in 2 weeks of observation due to testing on veg, early/mid/&late bloom all at the same time.



I was able to put together a Bill of Materials on my DIY Nutes thread. Since making that BOM, I also added monoammonium phosphate and gypsum to it, but all together, it all comes in under $200 before shipping and that's enough to last me about a year before I'll need to reorder a few of the highly used complexes like Calcium Nitrate. The BOM aims to get the minimum needed to mix your own micro nutrient concentrate, preserve it, then it's VERY easy to tweak your macro targets once your micro mix is to your liking. FWIW, I'm on my second micro blend so far, and both grew good plants, but myself wanting what is ideal and not knowing exactly what that is, make minor adjustments as I go. But if you get the salts, you can emulate Megacrop, GH, Jack's 321, or any other nutrient regimen that lists the guaranteed analysis on the packaging.

I hadn't seen your Bill of Materials but I was probably around that $200 mark when I was looking to source things on Amazon. One thing I can really geek out on is nutes. I thought it would be cool to have my own nute line. Not for sale or anything, just my own. Kinda how I ended up building my own light rather than buying a kit or pre-built. When I started to see a $200 bill I pulled in the reigns. The 2500g bag of Mega Crop was $34 and will last me probably over a year with the number of plants I grow, so $200 of raw materials would be like a lifetime supply.

As far as Guaranteed Analysis on the label goes, that's a pet peave of mine. I won't use a product that doesn't have the contents of the bottle or bag on it. There's too many diluted down, snake oil peddling companies out there with their slick advertising wanting to separate the unwary consumer from his/her money. These 7 bottle "master series" nutes that take 48ml combined per gallon are unnecessary when you can get the same results with 6g of powder. It's no wonder they don't want to tell you what's in it.... (Climbs off soapbox and drops mic)

 

[farside05]

FWIW, I'm really digging these numbers from MC Vegan and Botanicare CalMag.

Was looking at the table thinking wow, I like those numbers, they're in line with what I'm doing, then I look at the top and realize it IS basically what I'm doing. Other than I buy a powdered Cal Mag on Amazon that is premeasured to add to 1 gallon of water that replicates the Botanicare Cal Mag product for about 1/3 the cost.

 

[Skybound]

My entry point was last year when a few of my GH bottles began to grow little white and green fuzzy islands on the surface inside. It was then I stumbled onto GreenGene's Garden on YouTube and saw he was using Jack's 321 with decent results, so I tried that. I quickly realized I merely traded a wet brand for a dry brand, but I was still restricted within the confines of what was in the tub. When putting everything together yourself, you have full control and can adjust whatever element in whatever direction you want. So when I see something off in the plant, I can make an educated guess from my research and change something. But then again, I just did take a major beating of my own design when trying to produce high brix hydro by searching out healthier results through higher brix readings. I studied the shit out of Doc's composition and tried to translate that new information into an elemental nutrient regimen. To further improve my chance for success, I adopted a DIY foliar spray based from fish hydrol and elevated Ca while lowering K. The ultimate self punch in the face was when I tried to emulate the Cat Drench by doubling the ammonium content in the recirculating res. Cooked them Glue leaves to a crisp and I'll be happy if I can harvest something decent. Of course I'm the case where having more control might not be a great thing, lol. Pros and Cons, right?

 

[Skybound]

Was looking at the table thinking wow, I like those numbers, they're in line with what I'm doing, then I look at the top and realize it IS basically what I'm doing. Other than I buy a powdered Cal Mag on Amazon that is premeasured to add to 1 gallon of water that replicates the Botanicare Cal Mag product for about 1/3 the cost.

Shed coached West Hippie into trying a MC sample, so he got it. He also got the MC calmag, but there was a major discrepancy in the N content, so shed asked my opinion of the MC vegan with Botanicare calmag, and I loaded the profiles on hydro buddy and that's what I got.

Edit - they are good numbers though. N is a bit racey, otherwise I love the result.

 

[farside05]

My entry point was last year when a few of my GH bottles began to grow little white and green fuzzy islands on the surface inside. It was then I stumbled onto GreenGene's Garden on YouTube and saw he was using Jack's 321 with decent results, so I tried that. I quickly realized I merely traded a wet brand for a dry brand, but I was still restricted within the confines of what was in the tub. When putting everything together yourself, you have full control and can adjust whatever element in whatever direction you want. So when I see something off in the plant, I can make an educated guess from my research and change something. But then again, I just did take a major beating of my own design when trying to produce high brix hydro by searching out healthier results through higher brix readings. I studied the shit out of Doc's composition and tried to translate that new information into an elemental nutrient regimen. To further improve my chance for success, I adopted a DIY foliar spray based from fish hydrol and elevated Ca while lowering K. The ultimate self punch in the face was when I tried to emulate the Cat Drench by doubling the ammonium content in the recirculating res. Cooked them Glue leaves to a crisp and I'll be happy if I can harvest something decent. Of course I'm the case where having more control might not be a great thing, lol. Pros and Cons, right?

I've driven myself half mad with just the options on the market. Too much control would probably be a death sentence or a trip to an asylum. There's so many products already formulated there's enough to keep me busy just trying them. I just look at several major elements and their ratios and make decisions based on that, Nitrogen, Phosphorus, Potassium, Calcium, Magnesium, Silica, Sulpher are my bigger ones. Most of the rest are very small trace amounts. I've even gone off the beaten path and tried MSU Orchid Fertilizer.

 

[farside05]

Shed coached West Hippie into trying a MC sample, so he got it. He also got the MC calmag, but there was a major discrepancy in the N content, so shed asked my opinion of the MC vegan with Botanicare calmag, and I loaded the profiles on hydro buddy and that's what I got.

Edit - they are good numbers though. N is a bit racey, otherwise I love the result.

I'm a bit confused on the Mega Crop Vegan thing. I go to their site and only see one Mega Crop product. I know the back of my bag has a watermelon slice above the guaranteed analysis that says Vegan on it, but to my knowledge there's only one Mega Crop product. There was a previous version that had slightly different numbers but that was phased out a year ago. Is that what you are differentiating between, the old one and the new/vegan one?

I am a contrarian, I don't fear the N like a lot of people do, so it's all good in my book.

 

[Skybound]

I'm a bit confused on the Mega Crop Vegan thing. I go to their site and only see one Mega Crop product. I know the back of my bag has a watermelon slice above the guaranteed analysis that says Vegan on it, but to my knowledge there's only one Mega Crop product. There was a previous version that had slightly different numbers but that was phased out a year ago. Is that what you are differentiating between, the old one and the new/vegan one?

I am a contrarian, I don't fear the N like a lot of people do, so it's all good in my book.

There's at least 3 formulations of MC, here's the labels.

 

[farside05]

There's at least 3 formulations of MC, here's the labels.

Hehehe. I've been down this road with a Mega Crop rep via e-mail. Some of the conversation is OVER HERE and the post under it too. There was more that ended up burried in Sheds thread somewhere. Bottom line is there is only one formula that they have been making and shipping for a while, despite the various labels and other numbers to the contrary on their site. You are correct to use the label that has the word Vegan above the guaranteed analysis. On their site, if you go to the Feeding Calculator, you should see an Elemental tab. The results should match your Hydro Buddy output.

 

[Tead]

They apparently have an interesting and somewhat shifting definition of the phrase "Guaranteed Analysis".

 

[DrDoob]

Very interesting discussion going on here. I use MegaCrop because it's simple and cheap not because it's what has worked the best for me. It's good to see the 'nute geeks' approve. I use about the same formula as above but I use 'Botanicare CAL-MAG Plus', I've just had the best luck with it after trying several different brands. I've also been experimenting with mixing in MaxiBloom with MegaCrop. I just want that extra 10% back that I lost when I switched to MegaCrop from Rx Green nutes, but I don't want to pay a lot for it.

 

[Skybound]

To add some more depth to the topic, some months back, before I got to screwing around with my own formulations, I mapped out a few different blends and compared them to other charts from recorded history such as Hoagland's, Steiner's, both versions of Jack's 321, the Megacrop formulation(s) I had on hand, both of which I was not a fan of, and my own mild formulation that I had FANTASITC results with in rockwool. I think that's the set of targets that Weasel tried and had problems with. I like to compare the mid bloom part of the feed charts as that depicts the most debated/conflicting numbers which gives me more sources to influence my own understanding. I think it's good to track what's working for people to try and centralize that information into these growers forums. I tried to track AN, but their Analyses are too vague, likely due to their proprietary PH Perfect blend.

In my grow, I use 4 charts, 1 for Veg and 3 for Bloom.

Edit - The first 2 MC blends I looked at, I did not like, but I do like the Vegan with Botanicare Calmag. However, I had not considered the first 2 MC with a calmag supplement, so those likely look more attractive when amended with calmag.

 

[Weaselcracker]

After failing with my regimen and returning to what worked for you in the past, you should have mapped those doses on HB, to see what your elemental ppm was, then from that point begin tweaking the macros to see if you can't work out any of the problems you see with what you have on your shelf. I admit, it's a royal PITA

This is more or less what I’m doing. I’m throwing variations on the mixes at them, and watching them turn various colours. At the same time I’m also trying to walk the middle path and keep them from getting completely ruined. Cause I wouldn’t mind having some plants to harvest at the end. I’ve been experimenting with adding/removing various bottles in the mixes in case there’s something there that is skewing the results or shifting ph. For example, I never used Epsom salts in the past, and it really bumps up the ppm which I’m thinking may be a factor so I quit that for now.
Also- you feed multiple times daily whereas I’m aiming to feed once per week, and I’m thinking therefore my feed should probably be stronger...
Once I throw something at them that doesn’t make them look like they want to throw up I’ll have a better starting point.

 

[Skybound]

This is more or less what I’m doing. I’m throwing variations on the mixes at them, and watching them turn various colours. At the same time I’m also trying to walk the middle path and keep them from getting completely ruined. Cause I wouldn’t mind having some plants to harvest at the end. I’ve been experimenting with adding/removing various bottles in the mixes in case there’s something there that is skewing the results or shifting ph. For example, I never used Epsom salts in the past, and it really bumps up the ppm which I’m thinking may be a factor so I quit that for now.
Also- you feed multiple times daily whereas I’m aiming to feed once per week, and I’m thinking therefore my feed should probably be stronger...
Once I throw something at them that doesn’t make them look like they want to throw up I’ll have a better starting point.

When looking at the feed chart for Doc's kit, I notice they feed, then water then feed etc, so maybe a strong feed with watering in between? For me, in rockwool, I've found during my High Brix adventures that elevated EC makes it harder for calcium to move, so this might be something to keep in the back of your mind, especially since Ca is about the trickiest element to work into the plant with all of the various factors that can hinder Cal.

 

[Blazinjones]

Yep, it'll be Farside's blend. Who could say no to reusable high brix for cheap? I already have all the nutrient salts to amend, I just need to also get a few more amendments to recharge the soil and I should be gtg, using less water, no reservoir weight on the floor, only tradeoff I expect is less weight yield per plant and I'll probably get hit with bugs for the first time after years of being lucky. The room will be more or less sealed. I can filter the inlets if I feel the need, but as of now I don't, but that's hydro, so might be different.

Is the faux mix highbrix or are u using amendments u already had or bought for it or something? I thought the faux mix he made up was supposed to be like promix or something unless I'm wrong which is very possible cause I am pretty naked rite now lol.

I hadn't seen your Bill of Materials but I was probably around that $200 mark when I was looking to source things on Amazon. One thing I can really geek out on is nutes. I thought it would be cool to have my own nute line. Not for sale or anything, just my own. Kinda how I ended up building my own light rather than buying a kit or pre-built. When I started to see a $200 bill I pulled in the reigns. The 2500g bag of Mega Crop was $34 and will last me probably over a year with the number of plants I grow, so $200 of raw materials would be like a lifetime supply.

As far as Guaranteed Analysis on the label goes, that's a pet peave of mine. I won't use a product that doesn't have the contents of the bottle or bag on it. There's too many diluted down, snake oil peddling companies out there with their slick advertising wanting to separate the unwary consumer from his/her money. These 7 bottle "master series" nutes that take 48ml combined per gallon are unnecessary when you can get the same results with 6g of powder. It's no wonder they don't want to tell you what's in it.... (Climbs off soapbox and drops mic)

For real right only reason I'm using gh nutes right now is cause I had the 3 one gal bottles already given to me. An I ran out of pro-tekt and foilage-pro so decided to use this up then I'll be going back 2 dyna gro nutes. Why get a hundred bottles when my girls look amazing with jus those 2 and depending on the strains some of mine want alil xtra cal-mag. Like my Blue OG and my GSC they are CalMag hogs so I end up needing between 10 an 15 ml per gallon of water usually about 12ml.

 

[Skybound]

Is the faux mix highbrix or are u using amendments u already had or bought for it or something? I thought the faux mix he made up was supposed to be like promix or something unless I'm wrong which is very possible cause I am pretty naked rite now lol.

Faux Mix is a DIY ProMix, but what I now do is mix all of my hydro nutes from individual salts and can emulate any hydro nutrient regimen that has a Guaranteed Analysis on the label, but I only run 3 10 gallon reservoirs for my bloom. In a couple months, my grow will be tripling in plant count, but I can't support nine 10gal reservoirs, so need to switch to dirt for it being less weight. Now, since I already mix my own nutes successfully, I thought I'd try my luck at amending too, so I picked up a few more amendments like EWC and rock phosphate, plus a couple of the salts I have on hand, I formulated a blend that should be comparable to DB's amendment but with less P due to ordering the wrong rock phosphate. I can make the drenches too and already made my own Brix spray, though with slightly different numbers and ingredients. If I see any deficiencies and I can make tweaks as I see fit, plus maybe travel roads nobody else is. I want to experiment with varying levels of sulfur to see how that is translated into smells, flavors, plant growth and brix levels. I'll have some learning curves to get past first though as I've been strictly hydro for about the last 6 or 7 years.

 

[NorCaliwood]

I just plantem in the dirt. If they look hungry I feedem.

If they dry out I water them, 99% of the time. I sure killed the last two I had going.....

Just driving by to see whats up....... And too much reading,,, and no pics.................. And you know I can't read........

Keepem Green

 

[Th34v4t4r]

Sorry tead I'm on the 1st page and I'm just loving the temp gauge lmao... does she completely strip the hotter it gets I want one.... anyway hang on I've got another 270 pages to go lmao

 

[Tead]

Dat's Betty!!!!
Alas, exposure to extreme heat and the occasional dive off a high place didn't work out well for her, but she was a welcome bit of pixelated porn in my little world.
I wasn't really wanting her to strip more... but it sure wouldda been cool if she wiggled her hips like one of those dashboard hulu girls.