Tead's Indoor-ish, Winter, Hempy, OGK, SOG

[Tead]

I may look into the PVC or ADS pipe myself. A 8" pipe would be perfect for me....
Thinking a trip to home Depot is in order today, see what ideas I can get

I have some male clones to plant soon

Guess I'll need to practice planting seeds into the root riot pods. Is that what ya do? Germ em in wet towel till they pop then into the pods in say a solo cup of hempy???

Lots more to learn....fun fun fun

Home Depot probably wants to sell big lengths of pipe. Your local plumbing supply store with sell it to you on a foot long basis and cut it to whatever lengths you want... and probably be cheaper. There are many different types of plastic pipe, but the Schedule40 PVC tends to be the cheapest for mass consumption reasons.


I put rooted clones or seedlings right into my final PVC pots. This doesn't matter in a liquid feeding regime, but can be a bit dicey in the Osmo world where you can't adjust your nute levels. I keep the Osmo lighter in the top of my pots so that the new plants don't get nute burned. I could easily do a replant with 2 different Osmo loads, but that exceeds my 'lazy bar'.

 

[Chris Scorpio]

Home Depot probably wants to sell big lengths of pipe. Your local plumbing supply store with sell it to you on a foot long basis and cut it to whatever lengths you want... and probably be cheaper. There are many different types of plastic pipe, but the Schedule40 PVC tends to be the cheapest for mass consumption reasons.


I put rooted clones or seedlings right into my final PVC pots. This doesn't matter in a liquid feeding regime, but can be a bit dicey in the Osmo world where you can't adjust your nute levels. I keep the Osmo lighter in the top of my pots so that the new plants don't get nute burned. I could easily do a replant with 2 different Osmo loads, but that exceeds my 'lazy bar'.

Home Depot sucks...lol..they had diddly
In looking at 6" ducting for reference I think 6" PVC may work well
I sold lumber for years so know all the in and out of pipe...lol...too much
Lowe's has 6" so may pop down there later, I needed RO water for the girls so swing by Depot...

Fun fun fun

 

[Gauge Steel]

I use Rapid Rooters because I'm intimidated by the idea of starting in perlite. I'm considering starting my next hempie seed in a solo cup hempie with a humidity dome.

I already grit my teeth for days waiting for them to pop with an already proven technique. I can not imagine trying suntin' like that!

Gauge

 

[Tead]

I already grit my teeth for days waiting for them to pop with an already proven technique. I can not imagine trying suntin' like that!

Gauge

Cloning and germing in perlite can be touchy. For me, the most important issues are temps and humidity. I like to see them stay within 5 degrees of 80f and I need my humidity to stay anywhere above 60%.
If one can control those two factors reliably, one will surely see some sort of root action. Small swings outside the ranges are not a major issue, but an entire day out of range will delay things at best. Bags or covers can be used to deal with humidity lows.

Having said all that, a wiser idea would seem to be the 'go with what you know' pearls 'o wisdom.

 

[Chris Scorpio]

I may try some seed starting tests in hempy soon

Wanna try germination in paper towels and once they pop a tap root try one in root riot plug and one directly in a hempy cup

And I just said I was down sizing...

Yes yes..I'm an addict

 

[Gauge Steel]

Cloning and germing in perlite can be touchy. For me, the most important issues are temps and humidity. I like to see them stay within 5 degrees of 80f and I need my humidity to stay anywhere above 60%.
If one can control those two factors reliably, one will surely see some sort of root action. Small swings outside the ranges are not a major issue, but an entire day out of range will delay things at best. Bags or covers can be used to deal with humidity lows.

Having said all that, a wiser idea would seem to be the 'go with what you know' pearls 'o wisdom.

If your girls do experience conditions outside those ranges and are stunted but eventually make a comeback, do those plants grow smaller or less vibrant?
I ask because i just went through a 19 day germ propagation process and they are just now 3/8ths tall and just starting to "go". I realized my heating pad i usually use to keep my babies at 80F quit working. I do not check on my seedling's out of fear of stunting with cold drafts and light exposure for two days. So i checked after 2 days and they were very cold wet and no tails. The last 17 days the beans have spent out in the garage in rapid rooters in the dark.
I have learned many a lesson with these two girls, especially site selection for germ. Are doomed to be sub standard i would like to know now instead of investing time and money.

Gauge

 

[Tead]

Hmmm... too cold eh? What a crazy problem to have. Does this occur often? Do you own coats? Thermal underwear?
So fun.

I honestly have very little experience in that territory of the thermometer. I know that when seeds fail to pop in the perlite after a week, I toss them into the outdoor garden and sometimes I see one go. I don't see how that helps tho. Well... maybe... the ones that pop in the garden seem normal. Dunno.

For me, I like to try to put the seeds near the AC inlet. I do the same with clones. This keeps them a touch cooler than the rest of the tent. I really lack a stable temperature spot anywhere in my world. Clones are easier and quicker in the summer heat and seeds more apt to fail. It flips in the scant few winter months and germination becomes much easier and clones can get a touch too cold.

 

[MagicJim]

Hmmm... too cold eh? What a crazy problem to have. Does this occur often? Do you own coats? Thermal underwear?
So fun.

I honestly have very little experience in that territory of the thermometer. I know that when seeds fail to pop in the perlite after a week, I toss them into the outdoor garden and sometimes I see one go. I don't see how that helps tho. Well... maybe... the ones that pop in the garden seem normal. Dunno.

For me, I like to try to put the seeds near the AC inlet. I do the same with clones. This keeps them a touch cooler than the rest of the tent. I really lack a stable temperature spot anywhere in my world. Clones are easier and quicker in the summer heat and seeds more apt to fail. It flips in the scant few winter months and germination becomes much easier and clones can get a touch too cold.

Are you saying I can now come up with another excuse for my failures.

On my experiment with the hempy thingy....can I use any fish or bird poop fertilizers?

 

[Tead]

Are you saying I can now come up with another excuse for my failures.

On my experiment with the hempy thingy....can I use any fish or bird poop fertilizers?

I prefer to blame the cat. She's always up to no good and I always suspect her when things don't work out. She's the go-to for blame around Tead's house. Got a flat tire, blame the cat. Stub ur toe... musta been the cat. I'm punishing her for her misbehavior at the moment with head rubs on my lap.

I'm not sure those sorts of organic nutrient regimes work in hydro. I have seen growers add dirt to hempy pots... it didn't go well.
I've seen various teas made with organic components but not paid too much attention. It's just way higher than my personal level of laziness.

 

[Lady Antheia]

I'm punishing her for her misbehavior at the moment with head rubs on my lap.

Well, it is punishment if you aren't handing out treats with the head rubs. At least my cats would say so.

 

[Radogast]

Well, it is punishment if you aren't handing out treats with the head rubs. At least my cats would say so.

Our cat, River, is totallly addicted to the Fancy Feast hand-flaked tuna and salmon treats. I went into the kitchen to check the label just now and he was all over me, meowing and such. Before the fishy treats, he never meowed.

I'm not the one who feeds him treats anyway!

 

[Chris Scorpio]

Good Morning Tead

So in typical Scorpio fashion, im diving into the deep end of the Hempy pool

The 5 Hempy plants I have now in 3gal pots are really doing Great, and watering every 5th day is fantastic.

So been using Fox Farm Nutes but decided to try the Osmocote +, hey why not, fun to try new things for sure
I also found some nice 3gal Hefty garbage cans, real nice, taller and stable, so no @SweetSue tipping issues, sorry for her loss SuperSue


So im wondering how you fill bucket and distribute the Osmo +. By yer Calcs from these Posts

3" from the top of a 2.5 gal container. Let's call it 2gal. That roughly translates into 8L.

My current feeding rate for 6L Osmocote+ (the plus includes micros) is 15g, but that's low by design (start low, work up). I'm putting pots together this morning for seedlings and going with 18g/6L. For 8L I might start at 20g.

You have some options if you want to bump up. You could re-plant into a new mix. You could supplement with liquid. There are probably more, but I'll let you run with it.

I load mine unevenly. I layer it as I put it in and I leave the top 1/5 (ish) free of Osmo+ so that the new roots don't get burned upon transplant from their clone or seedling home.


I often go with a slightly higher res... like 2.5 or 3 inches. I do a 3/4" hole.
In my 2L grows I ran 5-7g Osmo+. In my 6L pots, I used 14g. If I were doing a gallon container, I might start at 11 and work my way up. Sometimes I really feel I'm underfeeding. I'm sure you'll find your own sweet spot.
Check out the Osmo manufacturer's website... they have a chart that somewhat addresses nutrient level change with temp changes... they express it as longevity rather than nutrient levels... but at least it's a rough indicator.
I layer the Osmo as I put it in. I start with a slight layer of perl in the bottom, then toss in a few balls of Osmo, then fill with perl to the hole, then another thicker layer of Osmo right at hole level, then fill in with layers of perlite and Osmo trying to distribute it fairly evenly. There are many thoughts on the best way to layer or mix your Osmo, but Tead's settled into the laziest way of course.

I generally don't rinse my perlite unless it's especially dusty. The Miracle Grow stuff is very fine and dusty. I use the Vigoro stuff without rinsing. I do give new pots a flush (initial wetting really) with tapwater followed by a flush with my PH'd water.

I do germ or clone in perl, but I live in a very unique world. Use your own techniques here... unless they involve soil.
Repeat after me.... soil or other biologically active mediums should never be mixed into the perl... bad things can grow... this IS a hydroponic method after all... it just feels a lot like soil.

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Id use, in my aprox 12l pot, 30-40g of Osmo+?

How much in Bottom? like cover the bottom in perlite then add like 1t or so of Osmo+??
Mix rest throught the remaining Perlite/Vermiculite Mix or is the Layers, Lazy Tead's way, a Better Option?
I see keep top 1/5 free, makes good sense


Now for the Seed/Starter questions

If starting a seed in a Solo Cup, Ill try placing a popped seed in Root Riot Cubes, would you use any Osmo+ at all, or maybe just a 1/4 strength Nute solution or just RO water with CalMag????



Oooo and re-use of perlite with Osmo+, any issues here????


Graciass as always @Tead

 

[SweetSue]

So not Tead, but I can help with part of this.

You want to drop the pellets in freehand. If you mix the Osmo and perlite together first the Osmo will shift through and fall to the bottom. I fill my tall glass with perlite (damp handles much easier than dry and no dust) and then begin sprinkling some into the pot, followed by a sprinkling of Osmo. Keep working it like that until you get to the top. I don't keep the top 1/5 completely clear, just much more sparse, and only if this is a finish pot for a seedling. If I've transplanted into this pot I'll use Osmo right to the top.

What seemed to work best for the new ones was 1/4 strength nutes. I typically transplant in the second week, so it's not much time at this.

Tead reuses his perlite. I'll let him explain that step again. I believe he does a soak with a Clorox dilution. You'll have to pick out the leftover Osmo pellets, I'd think. Not as difficult as that sounds, incidentally.

It's a trial and error thing, like all things cannabis we play in. The first couple I got all wrong (my Carnival in flower, burnt to a crisp and the sad Candy Cane), but both Thin Mint GSC and Ultra Dawg turned out better. You want it evenly distributed.

 

[Chris Scorpio]

So not Tead, but I can help with part of this.

You want to drop the pellets in freehand. If you mix the Osmo and perlite together first the Osmo will shift through and fall to the bottom. I fill my tall glass with perlite (damp handles much easier than dry and no dust) and then begin sprinkling some into the pot, followed by a sprinkling of Osmo. Keep working it like that until you get to the top. I don't keep the top 1/5 completely clear, just much more sparse, and only if this is a finish pot for a seedling. If I've transplanted into this pot I'll use Osmo right to the top.

What seemed to work best for the new ones was 1/4 strength nutes. I typically transplant in the second week, so it's not much time at this.

Tead reuses his perlite. I'll let him explain that step again. I believe he does a soak with a Clorox dilution. You'll have to pick out the leftover Osmo pellets, I'd think. Not as difficult as that sounds, incidentally.

It's a trial and error thing, like all things cannabis we play in. The first couple I got all wrong (my Carnival in flower, burnt to a crisp and the sad Candy Cane), but both Thin Mint GSC and Ultra Dawg turned out better. You want it evenly distributed.

Is yer Burnt Carnival due to the Nut Burn from Osmos+ Sue??


And thanks a billion, excited to test it out even further than I have

I know Tead soaks his Perlite in Bleach to clean it, makes sense pulling out the Osmos+

 

[SweetSue]

Is yer Burnt Carnival due to the Nut Burn from Osmos+ Sue??


And thanks a billion, excited to test it out even further than I have

I know Tead soaks his Perlite in Bleach to clean it, makes sense pulling out the Osmos+

I believe that was the cause of the burnt tips. I had a concentration in a spot most likely. Then I nearly fried her to death with the lights. She'll pull through, but both of her clones will do better.

 

[Tead]

Well, it is punishment if you aren't handing out treats with the head rubs. At least my cats would say so.

Our cat, River, is totallly addicted to the Fancy Feast hand-flaked tuna and salmon treats. I went into the kitchen to check the label just now and he was all over me, meowing and such. Before the fishy treats, he never meowed.

I'm not the one who feeds him treats anyway!

Shredded cheese... both her and the mutt. They come running when the bag leaves the fridge. Oh we're such suckers!

 

[Tead]

Good Morning Tead

So in typical Scorpio fashion, im diving into the deep end of the Hempy pool

The 5 Hempy plants I have now in 3gal pots are really doing Great, and watering every 5th day is fantastic.

So been using Fox Farm Nutes but decided to try the Osmocote +, hey why not, fun to try new things for sure
I also found some nice 3gal Hefty garbage cans, real nice, taller and stable, so no @SweetSue tipping issues, sorry for her loss SuperSue


So im wondering how you fill bucket and distribute the Osmo +. By yer Calcs from these Posts


Id use, in my aprox 12l pot, 30-40g of Osmo+?

How much in Bottom? like cover the bottom in perlite then add like 1t or so of Osmo+??
Mix rest throught the remaining Perlite/Vermiculite Mix or is the Layers, Lazy Tead's way, a Better Option?
I see keep top 1/5 free, makes good sense


Now for the Seed/Starter questions

If starting a seed in a Solo Cup, Ill try placing a popped seed in Root Riot Cubes, would you use any Osmo+ at all, or maybe just a 1/4 strength Nute solution or just RO water with CalMag????



Oooo and re-use of perlite with Osmo+, any issues here????


Graciass as always @Tead

Awesome of course. I see SS replied... haven't looked at her reply yet. I bet she says a lot of things I'm about to say. I like this... guessing game between Sue and I. Fun. I'm not gonna read her thread and just drive on... we'll see where great minds collide.

So, I'm not so much a fan of the rectangular pot. Round or square would be more stable and provide a more even space for the root ball to inhabit. Having said that, it probably makes no difference and if you're good with slightly less stable pots, who cares? Sue's been playing tippy-plant lately... I wonder if she mentions this.

Yup... that 5 day cycle sure works for the lazy. If you hit some high temps, you mind drop to a 4 days cycle. I've never been able to over water a perlite hempy. Some other medium mixes that retain water more (perl+verm) might have over water issues, but not in the perlite alone.

You'll find a description of how I do the Osmo on page 218. There are many thoughts on the various techniques. Some folks just mix it all up evenly. Since I tend to be putting new clones in place, I like to keep it very light in the top 1/4ish.
As for amount, it's not quite a straight line on a graph. In 3 gal (~12L), I'd try 25g and see what happens. Maybe a heavier load would be better, but when you can't really tweak the load as the plant grows, one wants to stay on the safe side. Osmo is temperature variable, so you might also boost up higher if your garden stays at or below 80f.... I'm riding at 50f-90f.

I tickle my germ/clone mediums. In my poo bags, I use 3 Osmo balls. Solo cups seem about the same amount of medium as my poo bags. Try 3 balls. I use my same calmag'd (5ml/gal) and PH'd water for cloning and seeds.

Reusing the perlite is awesome. Just bleach it and flush it. I've been using it in my outdoor raised beds as a snail repellent rather than cleaning it, but again, just another example of laziness.

Now I get to go see what Sue said... fun. I'll have the warm the bowl a touch before I read her words.

 

[Tead]

So not Tead, but I can help with part of this.

You want to drop the pellets in freehand. If you mix the Osmo and perlite together first the Osmo will shift through and fall to the bottom. I fill my tall glass with perlite (damp handles much easier than dry and no dust) and then begin sprinkling some into the pot, followed by a sprinkling of Osmo. Keep working it like that until you get to the top. I don't keep the top 1/5 completely clear, just much more sparse, and only if this is a finish pot for a seedling. If I've transplanted into this pot I'll use Osmo right to the top.

What seemed to work best for the new ones was 1/4 strength nutes. I typically transplant in the second week, so it's not much time at this.

Tead reuses his perlite. I'll let him explain that step again. I believe he does a soak with a Clorox dilution. You'll have to pick out the leftover Osmo pellets, I'd think. Not as difficult as that sounds, incidentally.

It's a trial and error thing, like all things cannabis we play in. The first couple I got all wrong (my Carnival in flower, burnt to a crisp and the sad Candy Cane), but both Thin Mint GSC and Ultra Dawg turned out better. You want it evenly distributed.

Damn. I think I like Sue's words better than mine.
Meh!!!
Still tho... great minds and all no doubt.

 

[SweetSue]

Would you guys be ok with a Hempy Headquarters thread? I was considering starting one, possibly tomorrow.

 

[Tead]

Would you guys be ok with a Hempy Headquarters thread? I was considering starting one, possibly tomorrow.

What... like be organized 'n shit... i dunno... sounds functional.
Great idea Sue!