Tangwena's Malawi-Style Cob Cure: Fermented Cannabis

@tangwena, you snuck in during my sleep mode and dropped those lovely photos, and thank you very much. :hugs: We thrive on the visual motivation as much as the passionate recounting of the euphoria.

Now we're all wondering, as Neiko pointed out, what determines your favorite, the long sweat, medium cure? The medium cure would be determined on an individual basis by the olfactory system, but please clarify the times and temp ranges for the long sweat. :battingeyelashes:
 
@tangwena, you snuck in during my sleep mode and dropped those lovely photos, and thank you very much. :hugs: We thrive on the visual motivation as much as the passionate recounting of the euphoria.

Now we're all wondering, as Neiko pointed out, what determines your favorite, the long sweat, medium cure? The medium cure would be determined on an individual basis by the olfactory system, but please clarify the times and temp ranges for the long sweat. :battingeyelashes:
Geez you guys are so technical ha ha. Every plants bud structures are different so what may be a long sweat time on one plant could be considered short on another.
You hit the nail on the head with the olfactory system quote.
Thats what it is exactly you will with experience be able to tell from the smell and looks how things are cooking.

From just slightly fermented all the way to over fermented can take a few days or a few weeks depending on the bud structure, moisture content and temps so I cant answer that with a fixed time/temp answer its not a mechanical process.
But less time, and temp is the main difference.
You can over ferment them and loose a lot of the smells and flavor although the high still remains usable its just not pleasant tasting.
Its better to err on the side of less is more if you know what I mean.

Curing pot like curing tobacco is an art and some people will always be better at it than others. If you have the feel for it which from the pics posted here a lot of people have you will excel at it.

You will find that some people will always get better results than others it is the way it is.
Also why great curers have no competition as others will find it almost impossible to reproduce the exact same results its because its an organic process.
All you can do is diligently keep notes while making them so that if you get a fantastic result down the track after aging you can try and reproduce those conditions.
Sorry I am not much help but its not a one size fits all situation.
 
Geez you guys are so technical ha ha. Every plants bud structures are different so what may be a long sweat time on one plant could be considered short on another.
You hit the nail on the head with the olfactory system quote.
Thats what it is exactly you will with experience be able to tell from the smell and looks how things are cooking.

From just slightly fermented all the way to over fermented can take a few days or a few weeks depending on the bud structure, moisture content and temps so I cant answer that with a fixed time/temp answer its not a mechanical process.
But less time, and temp is the main difference.
You can over ferment them and loose a lot of the smells and flavor although the high still remains usable its just not pleasant tasting.
Its better to err on the side of less is more if you know what I mean.

Curing pot like curing tobacco is an art and some people will always be better at it than others. If you have the feel for it which from the pics posted here a lot of people have you will excel at it.

You will find that some people will always get better results than others it is the way it is.
Also why great curers have no competition as others will find it almost impossible to reproduce the exact same results its because its an organic process.
All you can do is diligently keep notes while making them so that if you get a fantastic result down the track after aging you can try and reproduce those conditions.
Sorry I am not much help but its not a one size fits all situation.

Cannabis isn't a one-size-fits-all plant. Lol! Individual,regimens are just that, individual, because the plant will effect each patient in their own way.

I find it somewhat bemusing. Lol! What you say makes perfect sense. Curing has always been an art.

Thankfully, I try to take decent notes, a practice I'll improve on as we progress.
 
Heres an old article on tobacco curing some one posted on IC as you can see its an art its the same for pot but its a good guide.

Historically, tobacco curing has been considered an art. Since the use of bulk barns, growers have much more control over the processes. Management skills include understanding the principles of controlling airflow, temperature and humidity in a controlled environment.

Purpose of Curing -- Curing develops and preserves the potential quality, flavor and aroma of tobacco. Once the tobacco is in the curing barn, make a concerted effort to bring the tobacco to a brilliant color (lemon orange). Once you have the desired color, dry the leaf to preserve that color.

Color is important. It indicates that certain chemical changes have taken place, and it is used as an index of leaf quality. Industry representatives estimate that 75 percent of the market value of the leaf is based on the color. The objectives are to maintain life in the leaf until biological processes are completed (yellowing phase). During this phase starch is converted to sugar. Next, stop bio*chemical activities by removing leaf moisture (leaf drying). Finally preserve the leaf by drying the stem.

Closely monitor tobacco throughout the curing process for temperature, humidity and color. Look through observation ports regularly to check the wet-bulb, dry-bulb thermometers and color changes taking place. Open the loading doors carefully because this may release too much moisture and harm the curing process, especially during yellowing. For updraft barns, place the dry-bulb thermometer under the tobacco near an observation port so you won't need to open the door. Place it in between racks or on top of the tobacco for a more accurate indication of wet-bulb temperature. Reverse location of thermometers when using down-draft barns.

Temperature Advance Schedule -- There is considerable variance in advancing the temperature depending on the condition of the tobacco. A wet-bulb, dry-bulb temperature schedule (Figure 1) is effective with mature, good quality tobacco.

Humidity -- During the yellowing and leaf-drying phases, humidity control is essential. The relative humidity drops as the curing advances. Control the humidity by adjusting the fresh air exchange rate with the vent system. By controlling the humidity, the coloring time may be extended or shortened to get the most desirable color. If the tobacco is drying too fast (drying before yellowing), close the vents. On the other hand, opening the vents will speed drying.

Remember a couple of points about air and humidity: (1) Air at higher temperature has more drying potential at the same relative humidity. (2) At a constant relative humidity, 105°F air will hold twice as much water as air at a temperature of 85°F.

Using Wet-Bulb, Dry-Bulb Thermometers -- The wet-bulb thermometer measures the temperature of the leaf during the early stages of cure; the dry-bulb thermometer measures air temperature. Most growers use the dry-bulb thermometer, but you also need a wet-bulb thermometer. Since the humidity as well as the dry-bulb temperature must be controlled, a wet-bulb thermometer indicates when adjustments in the vents are necessary. Don't use thermo*stats as thermometers. They may not be calibrated to sense the
same temperatures as thermometers. You can buy wet-bulb thermometers at a local fuel supply dealer, or you can make one at a fraction of the cost. A homemade wet-bulb thermometer designed especially for bulk tobacco barns can be used.

The relationship between the wet-bulb and the dry-bulb temperatures determines the relative humidity within the barn. The closer the wet-bulb temperature is to the dry-bulb temperature, the higher the relative humidity. The relative humidity within the barn determines the leaf's rate of drying. The lower the humidity, the faster the leaf dries; the higher the humidity, the slower the leaf dries. Maintaining the proper wet-bulb temperature not only results in the best possible cures but also minimizes the amount of fuel needed to cure the tobacco.

Advancing Temperatures during Yellowing -- Advancing the dry-bulb temperature and wet-bulb temperature in relation to each other is a critical feature of curing. When starting a barn close air intake dampers before the heater is turned on. Turn the heater on and raise the temperature to the yellowing range (Figure 1) gradually. Don't raise the temperature more than SOF at anyone jump. Allow about 30 minutes between temperature rises so curing air can become humid.

Yellowing Considerations -- Curing each barn of tobacco as the season progresses requires adjustments in the curing schedule. For example, tobacco grown under varying climatic and field conditions calls for different yellowing schedules with dry-bulb temperatures varying from 9So to 10SoF and wet-bulb of 93° to 97°F.

After you harvest each barn of tobacco, decide the best way to yellow the tobacco. Consider the merits of the tobacco in the barn, such as leaf moisture content, maturity and thickness. Then make a decision at each step about how long to maintain a given temperature and humidity so the tobacco will complete its yellowing process. Failure to do this may result in dry leaf tips with a set green color. Tobacco with a high moisture content requires considerably more moisture removal before color setting than does droughty or low moisture tobacco.

Alter the yellowing schedule throughout the season as the tobacco varies from thin to thick and/or turgid to wilted tobacco with a minimum amount of moisture. For example, if you have immature, wet-weather or drought-grown tobacco, yellow it at the lower yellowing temperatures.

Length of Time Required for Yellowing -- Normal tobacco is yellowed at varying lengths of time, depending on the stalk position. For example, primings and lugs should be completely yellowed in 20 to 30 hours. On the other hand, upstalk tobacco may require 60 or more hours to obtain the desired color. You can improve the quality of certain varieties by extending the yellowing period. Certain varieties may sometimes yellow before starch converts to sugar. When this happens, the result may be pale, slick, immature tobacco.

Other Yellowing Suggestions -- Remove as much moisture aspossible during the yellowing phase of curing. With good tobacco, as much as 20 percent of the moisture can be removed during yellowing. When the yellowing phase is almost completed, the tobacco should show a good yellow color at the leaf tip with slight green-tinged colors running along the main stem and veins to the butt. The leaf tips and edges should begin to tuck and dry to a bright yellow.

When the tobacco throughout the barn reaches the desired color, increase temperature and rate of drying. At the end of yellowing, some wilting should have occurred. Avoid flash temperatures that can dry the leaf before yellowing is completed. This sets an undesirable green color.

Wilting -- Some wilting occurs before the end of yellowing at the 10SoF dry-bulb temperature, but most of the wilting should take place as the dry-bulb temperature advances from 110° to 118°F. The rate of temperature advance from 105*F to 110°F should be 1° to 1.5*F per hour and wet-bulb of 100°F. During the Wilting phase, the tobacco loosens considerably and the air can move through readily.

Do not advance the temperature beyond 118°F dry-bulb temperature until wilting is 100 percent complete.

Leaf Drying -- When the tobacco leaves have reached the desired yellow color and are thoroughly wilted, the leaf must be dried. The drying stage is critical because tobacco is sensitive to temperature change. Impatience to capture a good color often results in advancing the temperature too rapidly and producing a browning or barn scald. If the temperature is advanced too slowly, sponging may occur.

There must be positive control of airflow and temperature during leaf drying to prevent undesirable color in the cured leaf. To prevent sponging, dry the leaf as rapidly as possible, but not so rapidly as to cause scalding.

Wet-Bulb and Dry-Bulb Temperatures -- Maintain the wet-bulb temperature near 100°F during leaf drying. Once the tobacco is dry enough (30-40 percent of the moisture removed) to take dry-bulb readings above 135*F, the wet-bulb temperature is not critical to the quality of the cured leaf. Maintaining a wet-bulb temperature of 110°F or higher, however, tends to conserve fuel.

Stem Drying -- Advance the dry-bulb temperature from 135* to 165*F at a rate of 2° to 3°F per hour. Close dampers gradually during stem drying. Maintain a damper opening to hold wet-bulb temperature down to 110°F during the first 12 to 18 hours of stem drying. Dampers are usually closed completely about the time the leaf is completely dry and the temperature has reached 165°F. Stems should be killed out at a temperature of 165°F. Sugar caramelization will cause tobacco to turn red when the dry-bulb temperature is more than 165*F.

You had to have been there man
 
Well I got the Sucker Punch cob out to dry a bit then back into the vac seal it will go. I had a couple hits of the Blue Dream cob last night. Wow it is so dam smooth.

 
I've found if you clarify the butter before infusing and use liquid sunflower lecithin during the infusing process it seems to really calm down the weed taste. I get a lot of compliments on my cookies because they don't taste like weed and then proceed to knock them on their ass. The butter still has a green tint but it really doesn't taste like weed. I use the MB2e to make my butter.
Just catchin up here, Yeah Neiko i just talked to my friend that gifted the canna butter to me and she said the reason it was lighter color green was cause she did clarify Real Butter.... It was definately great buzz and taste texture...
 
I feel like I was there Tangwena. Lol!
 
The cobs from Fx 1 harvest were removed from the corn husks at six days. The husks were slightly damp. I'm starting to enjoy these aromas. I just dried them and the inside of the vacuum bag and resealed. I'll probably look in one them again in about a week. Cheers.





 

Oh Jim.... you’re getting a really nice cure going. I can tell from the colors you’re getting. :yahoo:

Lovely, my friend. Just lovely.

They’re all lovely guys. :circle-of-love:
 
The cobs from Fx 1 harvest were removed from the corn husks at six days. The husks were slightly damp. I'm starting to enjoy these aromas. I just dried them and the inside of the vacuum bag and resealed. I'll probably look in one them again in about a week. Cheers.





Outstanding man there going to age into extremely good cobs they dont get much better than that.
 
Just catchin up here, Yeah Neiko i just talked to my friend that gifted the canna butter to me and she said the reason it was lighter color green was cause she did clarify Real Butter.... It was definately great buzz and taste texture...

I will ONLY use "Kerrygold grass fed" to make my budder. That stuff is incredible. Also, I get very pale green budder now since I sieve through a cheese cloth. My first few attempts were great for potency and a little more "flavorful" if you dig that unique flavor only a strong, dark green budder can give, but cooking for a slightly shorter period and keeping it clean makes a big difference in the color of your product. I'm not contradicting, but I've never clarified my budder, and have gotten lighter-colored, mild-flavored, potent budder last few times.
 
Hello Everyone,

I have not been around in a while but these cobs have been aging right along. The ones dated 4/8 have not been opened at all. They got a few day sweat and were not opened at all. They are darker than the last batch of cobs which had a shorter sweat and cure. Those ones I have been chewing and smoking. They are all rehydrated but still the cob improves the smoke if you ask me. Smoother for sure and the high is different. I don't want to say its weaker - just more subtle... and more amazing.... I feel more in touch and it is wonderful.

Cheers,










:green_heart::green_heart::green_heart::green_heart::green_heart:
 
The Cheese cob is red. Indica type.... I can't wait to try it. I recently harvested 3 different strains ( one being black dog) but did not have time to cob any :(

Next time.

I Have Zamaldelicas on the way too. And a thai strain.... and Ultra Dogs.....

What fun. It is so nice to see you all chewing and cobbing and having a good time. I remember talking to Sue and others about cobs just a few months ago and then it bloomed into this wild thing. Brings a tear to my eye.

Love,
 
It brings a tear to my eye too @lazyfish. I never imagined it'd blow up like this. I figured maybe I'd get a couple guys interested. :rofl:

The smoking experience is really intriguing. Like you say, I feel more in touch with the euphoria, and no matter what, the smoothness of the smoke is worth the cobbing all on its own.

As these mature the euphoria will change. Of this I'm certain. I'm glad so much experimenting is going on, because in another month we're all gonna notice a difference and be super excited. :slide: I'm amazed you kept so many sealed up. I wanted a taste of each, and at each step along the way. Lol!

Tuesday's my next opening of the bags, and it's the Malawi bag. :yahoo: Can't wait to get some Zamaldelica going.
 
Can't wait to get some Zamaldelica going.

Me too! I am gonna have to wait about 2 more weeks to drop and pop a bean of Zammy-D.

Funny thing about this method is I knew about it from IC, I read/skimmed the thread but never put it together, I have everything i need except the husks.

In the beginning, I had struggled with the dry and cure. I guess I thought the 'advanced methods' would not work for me. Lo and slo worked for me. I figured lo and slo was the only way I would get the smo0oth-ness my wife now expects.

Now I try something new.

Zammy-D is scrog friendly and branchy, should yield enough to let me experiment with confidence and still lo and slo for some guaranteed combustion for my missus. Change is scary for meo_O

Crazy days ahead:surf::peace:
 
Me too! I am gonna have to wait about 2 more weeks to drop and pop a bean of Zammy-D.

Funny thing about this method is I knew about it from IC, I read/skimmed the thread but never put it together, I have everything i need except the husks.

In the beginning, I had struggled with the dry and cure. I guess I thought the 'advanced methods' would not work for me. Lo and slo worked for me. I figured lo and slo was the only way I would get the smo0oth-ness my wife now expects.

Now I try something new.

Zammy-D is scrog friendly and branchy, should yield enough to let me experiment with confidence and still lo and slo for some guaranteed combustion for my missus. Change is scary for meo_O

Crazy days ahead:surf::peace:

Oh keltic, she’s gonna become fond of the smoke. Neiko’s wife likes to chew the Carnival cobs, and I prefer chewing too, but I was shocked at how smooth the smoke was, and from the testimonials that keep showing up, everyone agrees on this point.

Change is good. :hugs:
 
The Strawberry Fields cob is now a month old. My Patient made the trip down to pick up his meds so I had to do a smoke sample with him. I can say there was a definite change in the last week. He's been smoking for about 40 years and he took 2 bong hits of the cob and was blown away. He said he felt so high it was like the 1st time he dabbed. I grounded up a little over a gram and it lasted us all day and me through the night. I can't imagine if it continues to "improve" what it will be like in another month. It has become it's own strain now. If you smoked the cured flower then the cob, you think they were 2 different strains. I'm totally convinced this is the best way to dry and cure whether you eat them or not.
 
LMFAO @ "patient" :rolleyes: .

I guess maybe so, if his "illness" is not being high, huh Doctor?
 
The Strawberry Fields cob is now a month old. My Patient made the trip down to pick up his meds so I had to do a smoke sample with him. I can say there was a definite change in the last week. He's been smoking for about 40 years and he took 2 bong hits of the cob and was blown away. He said he felt so high it was like the 1st time he dabbed. I grounded up a little over a gram and it lasted us all day and me through the night. I can't imagine if it continues to "improve" what it will be like in another month. It has become it's own strain now. If you smoked the cured flower then the cob, you think they were 2 different strains. I'm totally convinced this is the best way to dry and cure whether you eat them or not.
Thanks so much for this feedback neikodog. I've got a few more weeks for the cure to finish but now I'm really looking forward to a bowl of my cob.

Your final comment has me re-thinking what I might do with the harvests I have coming up. Cheers. :bongrip:
 
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