MaddHacker
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you primary among them Hacker.
As I am in a mood of real peace, and red cheeked >>LOL<<
SweetSue's Perpetual 3.0 - The Hempy/HB Hybrid Grow
As I am in a mood of real peace, and red cheeked >>LOL<<
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It’s beautiful here today Hacker. I’m getting ready to head out for a walk, after I have something to eat. Today’s the day with the 6:00 cut-off and a 17-hr fast, so I’ll be sure to get dinner in. Lol!
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Jarring it up: Candy Cane 4
After 48 hours in the dehydrator, Candy Cane is ready for the Bovedas.
She came in at a final weight of 42 grams, just where I figured she would.
After 48 hours in the dehydrator, Candy Cane is ready for the Bovedas.
She came in at a final weight of 42 grams, just where I figured she would.
They might have, since you type in complete sentences - and appear to understand what capitalization and punctuation mean. But where's the other 90% of your post?
Ah, okay. I guess I can stop considering that just the introductory portion of your post, then, and stop looking for the rest of it, lol.
Besmirched1
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I'm not suggesting to not cob indicas, because we need to find out what value they have as fermented medicines and foods too. I'm simply saying that the spiritual buzz I'm seeking won't come from an indica. I have one of my own, a 2:1 CBD-dominant, that I've cobbed so the indica queen daughter can try, but so far they do nothing for my sativa-fueled system.
I'm looking forward to how those cobbing indicas respond to the cobs, you primary among them Hacker.
I do my best to have some fermented food every week. It used to be a staple in people's diets, but processing industries disrupted the force.
Is there no cannabinoid therapy that would counter the nausea and allow you to eat more robustly? What therapy are you currently using, if you don't mind sharing? You're the first I've come across that's shared this particular challenge.
Your description of your partner's changes after changing her eating patterns and choices gives me great hope. Ever since I stumbled onto the idea with focus I've been thinking about how we've structured our societies to promote obesity, and how those eating patterns led to my husband's early death.
I still have difficulty with the part I played in hastening his demise. I realize I was doing the best I could, but when I consider all the things we could have done differently......
The negative reaction to that thought shows me I'm headed down the wrong emotional path, so I'll detour to something more life-affirming.
Ok..... wiped the tears away and shook off the doldrums trying to settle into my psyche. This is a glorious day, filled with possibility. I'm getting ready to meet up with my coffee and conversation group and get on with the rest of the day. I don't think I have any garden chores today. Being down to three plants in flower and two in veg feels like I have no garden at all.
Before I run off to good company and decent coffee let me see if I can snatch a good picture of one of the girls....... here ya go, Red Diesel said "Me, me. Let it be me!" Lol!
She had her first CAT yesterday.
She lost a lot of thrip-damaged leaves. I'm not going to bother messing with them any more, just let her ride to the end. She still has another month to go.
Time for me to dash. Continue on with your joyful day. I'll be back later.
Even misguided your heart and intention was always in the right place sue. Everything happens for a reason and you seem determined to make it drive you positivly.
Keith, much respect, I hope in this day and age my boys can make sensible choices and forge ahead
On me, lol gotta go right back. So I was premmy by 2 months and came out green and not breathing for 7 mins. I basically ate my own waste for the last month
I think that this has setup my immune system and weight. I don't get sick, well very rarely and while I can eat like a horse I don't put on any weight. In fact it took me 7 years to put on 5 KGS, I know you all looking at me like its not a problem. Lol.
Oh side thought, look up about when to eat, read,saw something about changing metabolism and eating after 11 am and eating later helped to change metabolism mechanics. I think it works by your body needing the energy u put in as u used your reserves until 11am, and this kick me to into high eventually and your body processes and uses everything, by watching my partners change I feel that it works. Only saw article after she lost the weight.
On the nausea, it sucks, I can be starving and start eating and get it. If not too bad I muddle through. As for cannabis help, well I live in Australia...
Doctors are no help as without an eating disorder I'm normal, ha. And growing presents a mirriad of issues.
Only in the last 5 yrs have I managed to get strains and be able to breed my strain, still a ways to go. Would love a dispensers.
So I muddle through with self analysis and medication.
Due to inspiration found on this site and the fantastic new family I've found here, I am now endeavouring to target our meds more specifically.
My only concern is with family law court coming up, that the manic depression seems to have kicked up a notch and it affects my eating.
Hence why I harp on about balance, it seems to me that my body and mind are always fighting to achieve balance but the scales are out of wack.
Eating less meals I'm aware that the 1 meal I have needs to fuel me for that next day, and as such it a big varied and complete a meal as I can make. This is really only maintaining diet as due to stress I dump weight like nothing and at 6ft1in I'm only 60kgs I can't afford to lose anymore and day to day has become a struggle at times.
Sorry for all over the place post. Mind a bit frayed ATM. Please ask away as I haven't heard many or any really talk about being like this and I'm trying to figure it out as I go. The way I see it though this is just the opposite side of the coin from being obese and presents a whole new set of issues to deal with if too far the other way but maybe there is a middle ground in which we can use both sides to keep in the middle.
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We have a member I was in close communication with who has to eat a pack of Klondike bars a day or he loses too much weight. I’d forgotten about this situation until now. He hasn’t been around for well over a year or I’d ask him if he’s found a therapy that works.
Your history is certainly unusual. I’ll keep my ears open for anything relevant that might help you pin down more effective formulations.
May I ask, what ratios and chemovars you’re making your medicine from at the moment and how you’re using cannabis?
Your history is certainly unusual. I’ll keep my ears open for anything relevant that might help you pin down more effective formulations.
May I ask, what ratios and chemovars you’re making your medicine from at the moment and how you’re using cannabis?
Besmirched1
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Smiles, cause you know we all hate talking about our babies.
In Australia mostly weed is either hydro un flushed or weak maff bush. Partners stomach ulcer was exasibated by the chemicals in hydro. So getting anything to target anything is almost impossible. While MM has been available, a mate used to come get mine in preference.
I was very lucky to buy some White Rhino and I found some Durban Poison by mistake (guy didn't know what he had) and both bags had some seed.
WR has an awesome social talking euphoric energetic high with great muscle spasm Relief (back spasms and neck and shoulder another issue) anti anxiety, depression relief
Durban Poison has a great body stone with munchies, but still able to function.
I crossed a male Durban with my WR fem. Next year F1WR Dom male X back over same WR fem. Put in original Durban and crossed male F1indy dom. Lost my WR fem but had 4 distinct phenotypes out of the last cross. Skunky, light green Durban stench, super sweet, and puffy bud. I crossed all phenotypes with F1 X male Indy dom.
So result if all that lol was, I have 2 distinct plant looks, red stem WR type and a light green Durban. Out if these I get 4 profiles that are starting to break strain barriers.
*Redstem, Durban smell, WR look. Fluffy bud
*Redstem, mango/passion fruit/melon/strawberry scents. Tight crystal nuggets, purples over winter
*Green light, Durban almost make u throw up stench, earthy almost swallowed dirt taste. Nuggety buds.
*Green dark, skunky dark cbd dom couch lock, mind numb. Purples over winter
I have next gen crosses for all phenotypes and narrowing the field. A friend gave me Masa Critika male, which is a parent to Wr, and have crossed back with that over the red stem WR fluffy purple and the red stem super sweet as this seems to be what I like.
Only now really trying to target for issues and have found an early and later pick gets me the CBD/THC switch out of the one strain.
Had to try all 3 flavours last night.
Mango/passion was my favorite, sweet after tones and pleasant fingers in the back hypothalamus and neck. Glad I put this in the cob.
So really this is as much a work it out for yourself job it looks and feels like roughly the right path.
In Australia mostly weed is either hydro un flushed or weak maff bush. Partners stomach ulcer was exasibated by the chemicals in hydro. So getting anything to target anything is almost impossible. While MM has been available, a mate used to come get mine in preference.
I was very lucky to buy some White Rhino and I found some Durban Poison by mistake (guy didn't know what he had) and both bags had some seed.
WR has an awesome social talking euphoric energetic high with great muscle spasm Relief (back spasms and neck and shoulder another issue) anti anxiety, depression relief
Durban Poison has a great body stone with munchies, but still able to function.
I crossed a male Durban with my WR fem. Next year F1WR Dom male X back over same WR fem. Put in original Durban and crossed male F1indy dom. Lost my WR fem but had 4 distinct phenotypes out of the last cross. Skunky, light green Durban stench, super sweet, and puffy bud. I crossed all phenotypes with F1 X male Indy dom.
So result if all that lol was, I have 2 distinct plant looks, red stem WR type and a light green Durban. Out if these I get 4 profiles that are starting to break strain barriers.
*Redstem, Durban smell, WR look. Fluffy bud
*Redstem, mango/passion fruit/melon/strawberry scents. Tight crystal nuggets, purples over winter
*Green light, Durban almost make u throw up stench, earthy almost swallowed dirt taste. Nuggety buds.
*Green dark, skunky dark cbd dom couch lock, mind numb. Purples over winter
I have next gen crosses for all phenotypes and narrowing the field. A friend gave me Masa Critika male, which is a parent to Wr, and have crossed back with that over the red stem WR fluffy purple and the red stem super sweet as this seems to be what I like.
Only now really trying to target for issues and have found an early and later pick gets me the CBD/THC switch out of the one strain.
Had to try all 3 flavours last night.
Mango/passion was my favorite, sweet after tones and pleasant fingers in the back hypothalamus and neck. Glad I put this in the cob.
So really this is as much a work it out for yourself job it looks and feels like roughly the right path.
Besmirched1
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Just starting to reduce smoking and use other methods more regularly.
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The first step is finding the chemovars that work, and it sounds like you’re well in your way to that.
I’d suggest trying an infused oil with capsules, and getting yourself on a baseline of cannabinoids. You’ll know when you find the dose that works, and I’d be trying to get 4-5 doses a day in. That’ll give you a low but steady supply of cannabinoids your body can count on.
I’ll look around and see what I can find about appetite modulation, in particular if there’s rumblings of a CBD ratio that’s showing success. THCV is the one they seem to be most excited about, and I believe Durban is a great source of this minor cannabinoid.
It’s all trial and error, isn’t it? Just like all the pharma drugs, only cannabis won’t hurt you while you dabble.
Might not be the best thing to try if he's struggling to gain/maintain weight, though. They do, after all, refer to (relatively) high-THCV strains as "skinny pot."
Ever been checked for worms? No, I'm not being a smart-@ss with that.
BtW, I'm surprised that, rather than eating one large meal per day, you don't eat six or more small ones.
Besmirched1
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Only issue is the laws here. What I've got and what I do well..
As for dosing, we had the rodeo here this weekend and in a tiny country town with 2 cops they dumped 15 more, undercover, drug squad, detection cars etc. While this is one off we went nowhere over the last 2 weeks as the swabs turn up early and we have leftovers for a while. If going to big smoke they have swabs all the time there and we have no public transport.
As far as work goes testing is getting more prevalent and locking me out of even the most labourious jobs, which I find I'm almost incapable of doing and retail and the general public shit me to tears. I can't put the mask on any longer. So I plan to be self sustaining and hopefully it's starting to come together. May have money for a property in the near future and can pretty much start down this journey properly. Especially with us being on the cusp of drug reform. Hence me push for information from those in the fight overseas so I can push the well thought out progressive policies over here
It sucks as you know being hamstrung and living outside modern societies BULLSHIT predijust rules.
After all that, I guess I really don't care what they think of me or do, I will do what I want when I want with no malice I don't see that as a problem, last thing they want is me in court spouting what I think. Lol so I'll just keep keeping on and work towards the goals.
Great to hear Durban is on the right track.
This is why I joined the rave community, that feeling of family, inclusion and encouragement. Ohh theres a goal, being able to dance again without being a cripple for a week.
Thanks guys and gals.
As for dosing, we had the rodeo here this weekend and in a tiny country town with 2 cops they dumped 15 more, undercover, drug squad, detection cars etc. While this is one off we went nowhere over the last 2 weeks as the swabs turn up early and we have leftovers for a while. If going to big smoke they have swabs all the time there and we have no public transport.
As far as work goes testing is getting more prevalent and locking me out of even the most labourious jobs, which I find I'm almost incapable of doing and retail and the general public shit me to tears. I can't put the mask on any longer. So I plan to be self sustaining and hopefully it's starting to come together. May have money for a property in the near future and can pretty much start down this journey properly. Especially with us being on the cusp of drug reform. Hence me push for information from those in the fight overseas so I can push the well thought out progressive policies over here
It sucks as you know being hamstrung and living outside modern societies BULLSHIT predijust rules.
After all that, I guess I really don't care what they think of me or do, I will do what I want when I want with no malice I don't see that as a problem, last thing they want is me in court spouting what I think. Lol so I'll just keep keeping on and work towards the goals.
Great to hear Durban is on the right track.
This is why I joined the rave community, that feeling of family, inclusion and encouragement. Ohh theres a goal, being able to dance again without being a cripple for a week.
Thanks guys and gals.
Besmirched1
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Bahahaha, all good, no worms here cept in the garden
Though there was a doctor here who self infected with lung worm and found it releases a symbiotic enzyme that helps the body overcome siliacs and gluten intolerance.
As for meals if I eat early I don't eat later. IDK stupid but it's what happens
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Thank you TS. I missed that in my post. Yes indeed, THCV is an appetite suppressant.
@Besmirched1, that may be part of your challenge, if in fact you’ve been using the DP all along.
Also, another fine point that popped up is that smoking cannabis will suppress the appetite because of the effect it has on the heart.
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It’s not stupid, it’s just your rhythm. Everyone has their own
Besmirched1
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Just annoying and silly really, I think it's more that my body is used to it and like you guys I need to break out if the cycle.
Trying to add more grain, chia and so on but it makes us both sooo hungry an hour after eating that we can't keep up with the food intake. I try to listen to my body's cravings and feed accordingly but chia just kicks hungry into over drive. So looking to do something there, maybe a museli bar when I harvest my honey with chia or look at chia/cannabis combo.
Didn't want to take over your discussion sue just wanted to present the otherside and maybe some ways for you to incorporate. Especially the eating after 11am and after 9pm and that you can change your metabolism, but that it can present other issues, not that they are really that different. I see it as just too far the other way.
The irony is too funny.
Trying to add more grain, chia and so on but it makes us both sooo hungry an hour after eating that we can't keep up with the food intake. I try to listen to my body's cravings and feed accordingly but chia just kicks hungry into over drive. So looking to do something there, maybe a museli bar when I harvest my honey with chia or look at chia/cannabis combo.
Didn't want to take over your discussion sue just wanted to present the otherside and maybe some ways for you to incorporate. Especially the eating after 11am and after 9pm and that you can change your metabolism, but that it can present other issues, not that they are really that different. I see it as just too far the other way.
The irony is too funny.
DrDoob
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You’re not alone. I’m 6’3” and 150lbs. I just think of it as a gift. A couple years ago I finally gained weight through constant meat intake and exercise but then I got sick and poor and never started it back up. I just went to the doctors last week and they were trippin cause I was 40lbs less then 2 years ago.
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In 2016 some researchers in Calgary came up with some interesting data.
plos.org
RESEARCH ARTICLE
Prevention of Diet-Induced Obesity Effects on Body Weight and Gut Microbiota in Mice Treated Chronically with Δ9-Tetrahydrocannabinol
Nina L. Cluny, Catherine M. Keenan, Raylene A. Reimer, Bernard Le Foll, Keith A. Sharkey
Abstract
Objective
Acute administration of cannabinoid CB1 receptor agonists, or the ingestion of cannabis, induces short-term hyperphagia. However, the incidence of obesity is lower in frequent cannabis users compared to non-users. Gut microbiota affects host metabolism and altered microbial profiles are observed in obese states. Gut microbiota modifies adipogenesis through actions on the endocannabinoid system. This study investigated the effect of chronic THC administration on body weight and gut microbiota in diet-induced obese (DIO) and lean mice.
Methods
Adult male DIO and lean mice were treated daily with vehicle or THC (2mg/kg for 3 weeks and 4 mg/kg for 1 additional week). Body weight, fat mass, energy intake, locomotor activity, whole gut transit and gut microbiota were measured longitudinally.
Results
THC reduced weight gain, fat mass gain and energy intake in DIO but not lean mice. DIO-induced changes in select gut microbiota were prevented in mice chronically administered THC. THC had no effect on locomotor activity or whole gut transit in either lean or DIO mice.
Conclusions
Chronic THC treatment reduced energy intake and prevented high fat diet-induced increases in body weight and adiposity; effects that were unlikely to be a result of sedation or altered gastrointestinal transit. Changes in gut microbiota potentially contribute to chronic THC-induced actions on body weight in obesity.
Citation: Cluny NL, Keenan CM, Reimer RA, Le Foll B, Sharkey KA (2015) Prevention of Diet-Induced Obesity Effects on Body Weight and Gut Microbiota in Mice Treated Chronically with Δ9-Tetrahydrocannabinol. PLoS ONE 10(12): e0144270. doi:10.1371/journal.pone.0144270
Editor: Alessandro Bartolomucci, University of Minnesota, UNITED STATES
Received: July 31, 2015; Accepted: November 16, 2015; Published: December 3, 2015
Copyright: © 2015 Cluny et al. This is an open access article distributed under the terms of the Creative Commons Attribution License, which permits unrestricted use, distribution, and reproduction in any medium, provided the original author and source are credited
If it were me I’d try my best to get my meds to an even THC:CBD ratio and see if spreading the daily dose over four times a day helped. I’d give it a month at least, to judge effect.
If my sense is right you have gut problems you’re probably unaware of and a balanced ratio is a good starting point. Almost all disease states we treat with cannabis respond positively to a balanced ratio. It’s how cannabis grows in the wild, so this doesn’t surprise me.
I wouldn’t worry about having this discussion here. It’s a healing garden. This is on topic for my thread.
plos.org
RESEARCH ARTICLE
Prevention of Diet-Induced Obesity Effects on Body Weight and Gut Microbiota in Mice Treated Chronically with Δ9-Tetrahydrocannabinol
Nina L. Cluny, Catherine M. Keenan, Raylene A. Reimer, Bernard Le Foll, Keith A. Sharkey
Abstract
Objective
Acute administration of cannabinoid CB1 receptor agonists, or the ingestion of cannabis, induces short-term hyperphagia. However, the incidence of obesity is lower in frequent cannabis users compared to non-users. Gut microbiota affects host metabolism and altered microbial profiles are observed in obese states. Gut microbiota modifies adipogenesis through actions on the endocannabinoid system. This study investigated the effect of chronic THC administration on body weight and gut microbiota in diet-induced obese (DIO) and lean mice.
Methods
Adult male DIO and lean mice were treated daily with vehicle or THC (2mg/kg for 3 weeks and 4 mg/kg for 1 additional week). Body weight, fat mass, energy intake, locomotor activity, whole gut transit and gut microbiota were measured longitudinally.
Results
THC reduced weight gain, fat mass gain and energy intake in DIO but not lean mice. DIO-induced changes in select gut microbiota were prevented in mice chronically administered THC. THC had no effect on locomotor activity or whole gut transit in either lean or DIO mice.
Conclusions
Chronic THC treatment reduced energy intake and prevented high fat diet-induced increases in body weight and adiposity; effects that were unlikely to be a result of sedation or altered gastrointestinal transit. Changes in gut microbiota potentially contribute to chronic THC-induced actions on body weight in obesity.
Citation: Cluny NL, Keenan CM, Reimer RA, Le Foll B, Sharkey KA (2015) Prevention of Diet-Induced Obesity Effects on Body Weight and Gut Microbiota in Mice Treated Chronically with Δ9-Tetrahydrocannabinol. PLoS ONE 10(12): e0144270. doi:10.1371/journal.pone.0144270
Editor: Alessandro Bartolomucci, University of Minnesota, UNITED STATES
Received: July 31, 2015; Accepted: November 16, 2015; Published: December 3, 2015
Copyright: © 2015 Cluny et al. This is an open access article distributed under the terms of the Creative Commons Attribution License, which permits unrestricted use, distribution, and reproduction in any medium, provided the original author and source are credited
If it were me I’d try my best to get my meds to an even THC:CBD ratio and see if spreading the daily dose over four times a day helped. I’d give it a month at least, to judge effect.
If my sense is right you have gut problems you’re probably unaware of and a balanced ratio is a good starting point. Almost all disease states we treat with cannabis respond positively to a balanced ratio. It’s how cannabis grows in the wild, so this doesn’t surprise me.
I wouldn’t worry about having this discussion here. It’s a healing garden. This is on topic for my thread.
Besmirched1
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Not complaining and I do think of it as a blessing to a degree, we eat meat most nights, although I don't think that is nessesary and while I'm not a vegan or vegetarian I can't justify eating that much meat anymore really. But I think the exercise is important as I can add muscle easy and when working I can sit at a comfortable weight. Due to our shit governance work is hard to find and the body isn't as willing to schlep in manual labour any longer
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Meat consumption messes with the gut biota. I shy away from most meat and look for protein in my veggies. Recently we’ve seen the arrival of protein-rich pastas made with chickpeas or lentils. Broccoli is another favorite. Oatmeal with milk added is a good protein source, and then there’s fish, a much better choice than meat.
My favorite though is eggs.
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And cannabis, of course, nearly a perfect food for humans.