SweetSue's Perpetual 2.0 - The Transition To Doc Bud's HBB Kit

Thanks Sweetsue, sweet you .
Ok so this is with perlite, would the same apply for mixing the Osmo+ with soil do you think?

With perlite the osmo pellets can more easily slip through and congregate together, creating too much concentration, but soil you wouldn't have to be as careful about placement. However, if I were growing in soil I'd use either an organic system like Doc's or a really good nutrient line like the RX Green Solutions I use or the Remo line, which are getting incredible results for everyone using them. I love that I don't need to pH adjust with the RX line. The difference that makes......

And, you used to always mention soaking your seeds in coconut water or aloe Vera juice. You don't seem to mention that anymore. Have you stopped doing it, or have you just stopped mentioning it?.

I stopped doing that. I soak them for 12 hours in distilled or RO water and then plant.

I've had a blast reading back over your journals, including all the tangents that sent me on to other folks' journals. I'm still amazed that you're now using bottled nutes - your passion about growing in the soil is still fresh with me as I've only just read it all this last week (your first 2grow journals in a week - phew!). I haven't actually covered the parts of your journals where that last transition to perlite and bottles happens yet! What happened?? . is it just the case that, as with the highbrix kit, you tried it and found it superior? Do you still feel that the grow process is organic?

Tead tempted me beyond endurance and I had to try hempy, which sent me into the world of bottled nutrients. I hear all this yammering about how superior the product is with organic, and in my garden that hasn't played out the way I'd expected. The first plant I grew with bottles was a Carnival that ended up with dense buds and nuanced flavors that caught me by surprise. She definately rivaled all of my soil attempts at Carnival.

So I tried again and got more comfortable with bottled nutrients. The osmo experiment was just that, an experiment to see if it could rival the bottles. In the meantime I won Member Of The Year, which brought me the RX Green Solutions nutrients, the use of which blew right past the soil plants in health and vigor, and I won't be using osmo anymore. Now I'm eyeing the soil with a thought to eventually phase it out and stay with hempy from now on.

Hempy is easier to manage than soil in almost every way. No need for huge bins of stored soil. No need to mix soil in the living room. No back-breaking hauling around gallons and gallons of soil, or working to make more room in limited floor space. In the end though, it'll come down to quality of harvest. I haven't taken one grown in the RX line to harvest yet. Carnival 4.1 will be the first to do so, and she's the strongest and healthiest Carnival I've taken to harvest.


Lots of questions I know, but this fascinates me! I would be the same as how you started out... a soil woman too in awe of the plants to disrespect them by doing something like trimming fan leaves etc .. But now I see you're not at all squeamish about all of that!! I may be making those transitions vicariously through your experience. can you help me see the light!!?

I love questions. :battingeyelashes: When I trim or train I remember that in the wild critters would be chewing away at the plants. In response to that continuious abuse the plant produces essential oils to fend off attacks - oils at the lower reaches manufactured to make the leaves unattractive to grazers and super stickiness on the buds to trap insects that might otherwise make the plant a meal.

So when you manhandle or trim you cause the plant to react in a way that it interprets as a means of self-preservation. The same thing applies to watering, incidentally. Plants in the outdoors that get parched on a regular basis in flower will be more potent than those that always have enough.

I had difficulty with what seemed like abuse, but over the years I've noticed that the abused ones produce oils that are more potent and therapeutically valuable, so I let myself pretend that I'm a grazer, or a wicked thunderstorm and I make a nick there, a snap over there. It's hard the first couple times and then you get more free with it.

It's like watering. I used to take such time with watering. Then I thought about that "let them get parched" statement and started not getting too involved with the method. Where I used to spray careful to run off, now I have the pots sitting in a tray, and I pour half the gallon of water unto the tray and the other half over the surface, and I'm none too gentle about pouring it on. I splash it quite vigoriously and get the whole process over in less than five minutes. It used to take me up to half an hour to gently spray. The plants are actually happier with my casual approach.


I also notice you don't do the back building technique on the buds anymore- is that right? Any particular reason for that? (See, I've learnt a lot as I've been reading ..)

Backbuilding buds is done to improve bag appeal. It does nothing to increase yield, just redistributes growth. I don't care about bag appeal. Too much work for a lazy gardener.

Hahaha! Sounded just like Tead there. :laughtwo:


I don't know how you keep up with that many plants on rotation! Kudos! (Can't access the 420 emojis on my phone, dang it! And don't remember the codes yet...). You must have one hell of a spreadsheet going on somewhere ...

I have a calander that gets daily generalized notations,

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and individual flow sheets that get more detailed notations.

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It's a lot to keep up with, for sure, and every once in a while I make a critical mistake. Thankfully I have cosmic forces that watch over me, and everything always works out for me. :cheesygrinsmiley:

Thanks sue
.Amy (not Julie - dunno where that came from! No probs of course - just clearing it up for the future .).

My apologies. I believe we had a news moderator named Julie Gardener at one time. My brain confused the names. Won't happen again. :hugs:

So when you say raw, you mean not even decarb'd? Or does infused oil fit the bill here? .maybe that would have to be made from fresh herb...

That whole post was excellent (way back in this journal)- about the way the ECS works ... I've still got that thread to catch up on.

Ahhh...... the ECS, that passion CajunCelt infected me with. :laughtwo: When I say raw I mean freshly harvested. Most people juice the buds. There's actually a decent plan for planting a seed a day in a solo cup, running them 12/12 from germination to harvest (I'd go 11/13), and harvesting enough every day to juice 1/2 ounce of bud daily. This would be enough to stave off and potentially heal any disease you might be treating or attempting to avoid.

One of these days I'll figure out how to make it work. :cheesygrinsmiley: I might be able to pull it off on the shelves, with the proper lighting setup. A therapy with no risk of euphoria at all. Think of the implications. Think of the patients that could potentially benefit from such an approach.
 
I know you're a sativa fan like myself. There is definitely a spot for something like that in my garden though. Thank you Sue!

I'm of the opinion that CBD Critical Cure has a spot in anyone's garden Morglie. It's potentially a perfect CBD strain. It counters both depression and anxiety, quells PTSD symptoms across the board, relieves pain, and the difference it's made with my BIL, a violent bipolar patient who is now the sweetest guy no one ever got to meet until I started him on his own regimen, has astounded myself and my daughter. I consider it my baseline meds. One of the best pieces of advice Cajun gave me was to buy these seeds.
 
I'm late here and I need to jump in. Morglie sent me to get info on a good strain for PTSD. I'll go back now and try to not sound like a fool when I ask questions ...

Please don't think you need to read through Mag7. Just ask. I have no ego you need to stoke. I'm here to help where I can, pure and simple.
 
what strain of cbd did you use for fresh harvest oil ... I've been toking cbd strains for 8 months now and I agree they are not strong at all but are you suggesting it's completely different in FHO?

I use CBD Critical Cure from Barney's Farm. It's one of my top three that you'll always, or most always, find growing in my garden, along with Dark Devil Auto and Carnival. When processed into FHO it gets much more entourage effect from retained terpenes and flavonoids typically lost in the traditional method of hang-drying. It's incredible how much more effective the oil is when produced on the day of harvest.

The low and slo drying technique we're working on perfecting offers the benefits of the FHO without the same work. Same results, less effort and safer without the hot oil bath needed for one of the FHO methods, or at least that's our expectation. We have a testing project going on with infused oils, and eventually that'll lead to getting some different oils produced to verify our suspicions with lab results.
 
I understand this as well. I hope MoC has a large seed stock. : - )

Haha! I often wonder how much of an uptick Sweet Seeds sees with our growing passion for the DDA. The same can be said for MoC. Some day I'll contact them and ask. :battingeyelashes:

I'll eventually learn to seed one and then I'll have seeds to carry me for years.
 
I'm of the opinion that CBD Critical Cure has a spot in anyone's garden Morglie. It's potentially a perfect CBD strain. It counters both depression and anxiety, quells PTSD symptoms across the board, relieves pain, and the difference it's made with my BIL, a violent bipolar patient who is now the sweetest guy no one ever got to meet until I started him on his own regimen, has astounded myself and my daughter. I consider it my baseline meds. One of the best pieces of advice Cajun gave me was to buy these seeds.
Thank you Sue. That's quite the testimonial. I lived with someone bipolar for a few years. Being able to get that under control without having to resort to mind numbing pills is a feat.

I need to look it up. Is it a balanced hybrid, or more indica leaning? I've been thinking of getting a sativa leaning and an indica leaning strain. I was recommended mango Haze CBD and I've been eyeing dandy dance for the indica one. The flavor sounds intriguing. Curry, orange, and lavender notes together with, musky/skunky undertones. You've got me thinking about critical cure now. Hmm...
 
Please don't think you need to read through Mag7. Just ask. I have no ego you need to stoke. I'm here to help where I can, pure and simple.

Thank you Sue, it's been a while since we chatted. My apologies . I believe you were on your way to be a moderator at the time and then things changed. Welcome back, even though it ha been months. I rudely haven't said anything and that's just do to the fact that you have a lot of people you talk with and it's part of my thing that I do. I stay back when I feel there's a lot going on.

Though, I just needed a light tap to to make my presence known .. I personally would like find a strain and I believe that strain my be one of the three you describe. My military background and background in general could use a strain to help battle those issues.

I'm glad I was able to find your journal again, believe me. I want to catch up as well as ask questions.
 
Thank you Sue, it's been a while since we chatted. My apologies . I believe you were on your way to be a moderator at the time and then things changed. Welcome back, even though it ha been months. I rudely haven't said anything and that's just do to the fact that you have a lot of people you talk with and it's part of my thing that I do. I stay back when I feel there's a lot going on.

Though, I just needed a light tap to to make my presence known .. I personally would like find a strain and I believe that strain my be one of the three you describe. My military background and background in general could use a strain to help battle those issues.

I'm glad I was able to find your journal again, believe me. I want to catch up as well as ask questions.

The CBD Critical Cure is a 2:1 CBD:THC, and will effectively counter any and all PTSD symptoms. My daughter wouldn't be without hers, come hell or high water. I highly recommend it. Cajun recommended it the morning he tested it out himself and got really excited as his own PTSD symptoms evaporated. All those years as a Ranger took a toll cannabis helps him live with.
 
Thank you Sue. That's quite the testimonial. I lived with someone bipolar for a few years. Being able to get that under control without having to resort to mind numbing pills is a feat.

I need to look it up. Is it a balanced hybrid, or more indica leaning? I've been thinking of getting a sativa leaning and an indica leaning strain. I was recommended mango Haze CBD and I've been eyeing dandy dance for the indica one. The flavor sounds intriguing. Curry, orange, and lavender notes together with, musky/skunky undertones. You've got me thinking about critical cure now. Hmm...

Oooo..... That Dandy Dance sounds too delicious to pass up. What's the ratio? One of these days I'll either buy CBD Mango Haze or cross my own Mango Haze with CBD Critical Cure. Lol!
 
I just dropped 2 seeds each of Nordle and Harlequin. They are both regs and Im really hoping for a Harlequin male. A cross between the Nordle and the Harlequin would be interesting in itself, but Id also like to maybe hit the Carnival with it. :)
 
The CBD Critical Cure is a 2:1 CBD:THC, and will effectively counter any and all PTSD symptoms. My daughter wouldn't be without hers, come hell or high water. I highly recommend it. Cajun recommended it the morning he tested it out himself and got really excited as his own PTSD symptoms evaporated. All those years as a Ranger took a toll cannabis helps him live with.

With this recommendation, what is the best method of consumption? I also have a family member who is suffering with bipolar disorder and acute schizophrenia from what I am told. I have not been home in a while. I would like to be able introduce this strain if what I am hearing is in fact the truth (at home).
 
I just dropped 2 seeds each of Nordle and Harlequin. They are both regs and Im really hoping for a Harlequin male. A cross between the Nordle and the Harlequin would be interesting in itself, but Id also like to maybe hit the Carnival with it. :)
I think the Harlequin and carnival cross would be great

I just crossed original Skunk and Candida . Won't harvest it for a month or so but am excited with this combo
 
Radogast said:
Belladonna can cause the same type of lasting damage as prescription heart medication.

Sorry if this is a strange question but what do you mean by this Rad?

Atropa Belladonna, aka Deady Nightshade is an herb with 101 uses. Belladonna was used in pre-pharmceutical days for controlling spasms of menstral cramps, heart attacks, infant teething, gout, etc. Atropine and scopalamine from Belladonna are still used for these, and also surprising things like eye drops to dialate eyes.

Attempting to replace your heart medication with Belladonna might not be wise. It can lead to sudden death.


so.... ths was intended as a general observation that herbal remedies can be risky,
 
My apologies. I believe we had a news moderator named Julie Gardener at one time. My brain confused the names. Won't happen again. :hugs:



Ahhh...... the ECS, that passion CajunCelt infected me with. :laughtwo: When I say raw I mean freshly harvested. Most people juice the buds. There's actually a decent plan for planting a seed a day in a solo cup, running them 12/12 from germination to harvest (I'd go 11/13), and harvesting enough every day to juice 1/2 ounce of bud daily. This would be enough to stave off and potentially heal any disease you might be treating or attempting to avoid.

One of these days I'll figure out how to make it work. :cheesygrinsmiley: I might be able to pull it off on the shelves, with the proper lighting setup. A therapy with no risk of euphoria at all. Think of the implications. Think of the patients that could potentially benefit from such an approach.

Wow thanks for that very excellent comprehensive response sue. (Edit: This actually refers to a post a couple of pages ago but for some reason I couldn't include in this quote)

I couldn't quote the specific interjections that I wanted to respond to as they were mixed in the original quote and I'm on my phone- so editing options are not so sophisticated.

I just loved what you said in response to my question about trimming etc. that abused ones end up providing more potent oils with higher therapeutic value... we might say the same for people sometimes eh? .

And I've discovered and subbed in to the FHO thread now so that's all good - my questions can go there. You have me totally intrigued about the juicing thing! I'm so stoked to discover this community again at this time in its life and mine. .
 
Atropa Belladonna, aka Deady Nightshade is an herb with 101 uses. Belladonna was used in pre-pharmceutical days for controlling spasms of menstral cramps, heart attacks, infant teething, gout, etc. Atropine and scopalamine from Belladonna are still used for these, and also surprising things like eye drops to dialate eyes.

Attempting to replace your heart medication with Belladonna might not be wise. It can lead to sudden death.


so.... ths was intended as a general observation that herbal remedies can be risky,

Thank you sir, I appreciate the info and your time!
 
The CBD Critical Cure is a 2:1 CBD:THC, and will effectively counter any and all PTSD symptoms. My daughter wouldn't be without hers, come hell or high water. I highly recommend it. Cajun recommended it the morning he tested it out himself and got really excited as his own PTSD symptoms evaporated. All those years as a Ranger took a toll cannabis helps him live with.

I'm just looked at there site, I can't believe that these seeds are only $3, is the correct Sue?

Edit: never mind lol I was wrong
 
Oh, you will Rang3rDang3r, and may I say, the user name made me giggle.

It made me hope for a fleeting moment that Ranger Danger (RiP) had been resurrected and was gracing his with his presence once again.

If you like my brand of... humor, you'd love some of his threads. Man could teach you and make you laugh until the snot ran, at the same time. If you ever need a chuckle, visit his profile and click on the "Find latest started threads" link.
@RangerDanger

When you load up the pots you distribute the Osmocote Plus pellets throughout the perlite so that tiny, delicate roots aren't overwhelmed by a clump here or there. You also try to get a little more in the lower sections, where later roots establish.

With the two girls in late flower I wasn't as careful as I could have been. The two in early flower were the beneficiaries of greater focus when setting up. I've since decided to stick with the liquid nutrients. No pH adjustment with them, which in my opinion, makes them easier than osmo, and definitely more vigorous.

I saw this and saw where you mentioned that the 100% perlite might allow the prills to move and become concentrated.

I don't think that's it, exactly. Or not by itself. I've seen directions about how to use that stuff in the garden, even in "normal" pots. Some of them tell you to dig a hole for the plant, then place the Osmocote Plus in the hole directly under the plant's roots. If concentrating the stuff would be harmful to the plants, I'd think this method wouldn't be suggested.

My guess is... it's the reservoir. It holds water and... nutrients. I'm pretty sure the product wasn't designed for hydroponics, and certainly not in a setup that had a reservoir.

In other words, I don't think it's the concentration of the prills. Rather, it is the concentration of nutients in that reservoir.

How to test this? Hmm... Can't build a two-piece hempy, because the root growth will effectively make it one piece. Is there a way to set one up so that, instead of top-watering, we could drain and then fill the reservoir portion (only) with water? If so, we could throw a clump of Osmocote Plus in one spot - a spot somewhere above the reservoir, but still within the root mass. The ability to drain the reservoir would remove overly-concentrated nutrient solution from it, and the ability to fill that reservoir directly would prevent the possibility of washing nutrients down into the reservoir to concentrate. If the plant stayed healthy, even with the concentration of prills in the midst of its rootball... IDK.

Having trouble thinking right now. HtH does anyone ever quit smoking (menthol and nicotine products)? How does even the threat of a painful death provide sufficient motivation to even try?
 
With this recommendation, what is the best method of consumption? I also have a family member who is suffering with bipolar disorder and acute schizophrenia from what I am told. I have not been home in a while. I would like to be able introduce this strain if what I am hearing is in fact the truth (at home).

What keeps my BIL's bipolar disorder under control is infused oils, at a rate of 100 gr dry bud to 500 ml of carrier oil, used to fill 00 capsules, of which he takes 4-6 a day. I'm a big fan of setting up a capsule regimen that works for the patient, and that's done by starting sub-therapeutically and adding on first dosing times (until you've established 2-4 doses a day) and then increased doses, one capsule at a time. Every patient is individual in what can be tolerated, but you're looking for something rich in CBD with as much THC as the patient can comfortably handle.

Thankfully, no one can be hurt with cannabis. You carefully and thoughtfully bring the dose up to where the patient feels best. There are some basic guidelines to introducing regimens, and we have a thread dedicated to just such a thing. Cannabis Dosing - Delivery Methods and Dosing Guidelines
 
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