SweetSue's Cannabis Oil Study Hall

Wow Sue. I haven't heard of this device, but it seems legit. Apparently it can't process BHO or very high concentrates, but because of the alcohol, it can test oil.
I'm definitely getting one if they're legit.
+Reps for finding this!

Ohhhh.... Great to hear Cajun and thanks for the reps. Now I need to make one manifest in my own kitchen ASAP. I wasn't planning on this when I financed that trip to paradise I need to pay off before I go making any other purchases.

But a week in paradise..... Yeah, I'll make the device come through before then. Time to move a little heaven and earth.
 
Hi Sue,
I got the good cannabutter recipe from Home - Dude Grows Unfortunately the site is down. I copied his recipe and just tweaked it a wee bit like all good cookers do. Heating the herb separately for 110 minutes dries it right out. Let it cool a bit then pour coconut oil and lecithin over the herb. Repeat the heating and cooling 2 or 3 times then freeze the dish overnight, bring temp up slowly to not break dish and reheat once more before straining. I put a small tsp of medicated oil into a cup of Chai tea and milk before sleep. A nice bowl of vape, tossing back the ABV and the mug of tea caps off an evening headed for a great sleep.
Happy Growing
 
Hi Sue,
I got the good cannabutter recipe from Home - Dude Grows Unfortunately the site is down. I copied his recipe and just tweaked it a wee bit like all good cookers do. Heating the herb separately for 110 minutes dries it right out. Let it cool a bit then pour coconut oil and lecithin over the herb. Repeat the heating and cooling 2 or 3 times then freeze the dish overnight, bring temp up slowly to not break dish and reheat once more before straining. I put a small tsp of medicated oil into a cup of Chai tea and milk before sleep. A nice bowl of vape, tossing back the ABV and the mug of tea caps off an evening headed for a great sleep.
Happy Growing

Thank you hawtway. To clarify, what temp are you using, and how long do you heat during the 2-3 sessions of heat/cool? Lastly, what ratios were you using cannabis to oil? Since you're using this to sleep, I'm assuming a good indica?

I'm always pleased to hear of another member finding relief with cannabis oil. So many pathways to sleep, you'd think I'd pick one and go with it. :laughtwo:
 
Hi All,

I'm hoping for a little guidance on the best way to administer RSO/CCO to treat my girlfriend's ovarian cancer that has metastasized to her colon and stomach. This is her last ditch effort to survive. Here's where we are at this point.

She is 37 years young and was diagnosed 3 years ago. After 2 rounds of chemo and a full hysterectomy she was cancer free for about 9 months. It returned after those 9 months to her intestines and the outer lining of her stomach. I took her to the ER on thanksgiving eve because she has been having stomach issues. She had 2 blockages in the colon from the cancer. They did surgery immediately and detached the lower intestine and connected the upper to an ostemy bag which they haven't decided will be permanent or not. They couldn't re-attach 2 sections of the intestines as the cancer has spread throughout with tumors as large as golf balls. The doctors discussed the possibility of more chemo, but the cycle she just completed has done nothing. They are giving her anywhere from weeks to months before this disease takes her. We live in a legal MMJ state and have our cards so I brought up questions regarding using RSO as a possible treatment. The doctors didn't have much of an opinion other than saying it has worked in some cases and is being studied.

So my questions here are:

1. Would suppository be the best method for administering the RSO given her circumstances and lack of time?
2. If yes, should this be mixed with coconut oil/lecithin for bioavailability?
3. Will eating doses of canna coconut oil ( I make it very strong) help as well?
4. I made a batch of RSO previously. First decarbed, then made with ISO in the magic butter machine and slow boiled off at 220-240 degrees using double boiler method. I just sampled a large dose of the small amount I made and it had no "high" effect on me. I took approx 2 grains of rice sized dose and swallowed instead of tacking it. It had zero effect on me which is making me think it was over heated and lost the thc,cdb effects. I will make another batch following the original RSO method and toss this out. Thoughts?

This is our last ditch effort to save her life. I'm spending most of my time at the hospital with her, so I don't have the time to search/read through these entire threads at this point.

I could really use some guidance on the best way to attack this cancer as quickly as possible. She is finally on board with whatever method works best.

Thank you all in advance. I'll be checking back later.
 
Litmus, if you haven't already checked out this journal it does great job detailing the basic treatment for cancers. Post this message there and you will get much more detailed response for your girlfriend's cancer.

A Base Treatment Regimen for Cancer

I re-read the first 5 pages regularly to refocus my own treatment.
 
Hi All,

I'm hoping for a little guidance on the best way to administer RSO/CCO to treat my girlfriend's ovarian cancer that has metastasized to her colon and stomach. This is her last ditch effort to survive. Here's where we are at this point.

She is 37 years young and was diagnosed 3 years ago. After 2 rounds of chemo and a full hysterectomy she was cancer free for about 9 months. It returned after those 9 months to her intestines and the outer lining of her stomach. I took her to the ER on thanksgiving eve because she has been having stomach issues. She had 2 blockages in the colon from the cancer. They did surgery immediately and detached the lower intestine and connected the upper to an ostemy bag which they haven't decided will be permanent or not. They couldn't re-attach 2 sections of the intestines as the cancer has spread throughout with tumors as large as golf balls. The doctors discussed the possibility of more chemo, but the cycle she just completed has done nothing. They are giving her anywhere from weeks to months before this disease takes her. We live in a legal MMJ state and have our cards so I brought up questions regarding using RSO as a possible treatment. The doctors didn't have much of an opinion other than saying it has worked in some cases and is being studied.

So my questions here are:

1. Would suppository be the best method for administering the RSO given her circumstances and lack of time?
2. If yes, should this be mixed with coconut oil/lecithin for bioavailability?
3. Will eating doses of canna coconut oil ( I make it very strong) help as well?
4. I made a batch of RSO previously. First decarbed, then made with ISO in the magic butter machine and slow boiled off at 220-240 degrees using double boiler method. I just sampled a large dose of the small amount I made and it had no "high" effect on me. I took approx 2 grains of rice sized dose and swallowed instead of tacking it. It had zero effect on me which is making me think it was over heated and lost the thc,cdb effects. I will make another batch following the original RSO method and toss this out. Thoughts?

This is our last ditch effort to save her life. I'm spending most of my time at the hospital with her, so I don't have the time to search/read through these entire threads at this point.

I could really use some guidance on the best way to attack this cancer as quickly as possible. She is finally on board with whatever method works best.

Thank you all in advance. I'll be checking back later.

Litmus, take KR's advice and read those initial five pages. I assure you, they're worth your time. Take a breath....... :hugs: At some point here you're going to have to trust the universe and relax. The sooner you can find that relaxing breath the smoother this will all go. There's a fervent band of warriors here and we'll do all we can to answer your questions.

Most of the recommended threads - how to make CCO, how to tack, how to use CCO to build a successful protocol - have the pertinent information in the initial pages, so you can quickly school yourself in the basics by reading them without getting lost in the chatter.

Let me see what I can help you with:

1. Yes, suppositories will be an acceptable method of administration, but keep in mind that the protocols put forth here also include tacking in advance of those suppositories. The tacking can be more of an important part of the success than one might think.

2. Yes on the lecithin, regardless of your choice of carrier oil. Coconut oil is recommended most often if liver cancer is being treated. The coconut oil makes a fast track for the liver. You might want to consider olive oil, an excellent carrier oil for cannabinoids and a cancer fighter in its own right.

3. Any cannabanoids you can get into the system will be helpful, IMO. Keep the pressure constant. You'll hear cajuncelt harp on this in his thread, and for good reason. I'm a big fan of varied delivery systems and diverse options, incorporating edibles, tacking, suppositories, juicing, (if your blessed enough to have that option), any method I can access. It makes sense to me that the more choices you give the endocannabinoid system the greater your chances for success.

4. The members here don't recommend the MB2 for making CCO, and it's precisely for this reason. I have no personal experience using it in this regard, although it's my go-to for infused olive or coconut. There's a concern about overheating the oil and diminishing the medicinal value. I'll let others speak to the usefulness of what you ended up with, and I'm so sorry that happened to you. Not a disappointment you thought you needed right now, was it? :straightface: It's OK. You learned a valuable lesson right here at the beginning when you still have some breathing space.

And you do have that breathing space. I know it feels like you don't, but you'll be ok in the end, so take a breath and let us try to help you let go of some of that stress you're carrying around. Her decision to let you explore options is a very positive sign. Take it as such and get started. You're off to a great start already. You know where you want to go and you've chosen what looks like a great path to get there.

Sorry, I hit the door working and forget simple civility. Welcome to the study hall Litmis. :hugs: I thought you could use the hug. It's probably been a long day.
 
Thank you KR and Sue! I've already began reading the recommended threads. Even though I've been reading on here for over a year I still feel there's so much to take in. I'm sure I'll be seeking more guidance along the way and appreciate everything everyone has been doing here to share their healing knowledge and support!!!

Thanks for the hug Sue! I needed it. Yes, it's been a very rough few days, but I'm forever optimistic...even against these odds!
 
Thank you KR and Sue! I've already began reading the recommended threads. Even though I've been reading on here for over a year I still feel there's so much to take in. I'm sure I'll be seeking more guidance along the way and appreciate everything everyone has been doing here to share their healing knowledge and support!!!

Thanks for the hug Sue! I needed it. Yes, it's been a very rough few days, but I'm forever optimistic...even against these odds!

I wish you both the very best of luck x
 
Sweet Sue I was present last year, when a couple of friends used dry ice in a process that also involved butane and a custom reactor cylinder/apparatus to make CCO. I WAS SUPER STONED AT THE TIME FROM SMOKING THEIR OILS WITH THEM. They made it for me from my Own CK Northern Lights auto, using bud and trim(untrimmed buds). They said the trim would yield a bit of oil as well and though it might not have the THC it would have other cannabis compounds that would be good for pain. They must of been right, because it was indeed great for pain relief and got me high as well. I will ask one of them if they can refresh me on the process they followed and about the apparatus they made. They said their method was far safer than other methods using Butane. If I remember, the dry ice was to super chill the butane to react with the ground buds. If I can get them interested in sharing this info I will pass it on. The oil indeed was very much honey like , just a bit more sticky/thick at room temps. :yummy:
cajuncelt mentioned the other day that he'd come across a couple guys making CCO using dry ice and the resulting oil was like honey. Anybody familiar with this technique? Anyone interested in eventually doing a video of the process, once we figure out what that process is?
 
I have trouble going by an open dispensary without stopping. The other day I stopped at a new one in Albuquerque. It was new and did not have a lot of variety. Harlequin was front and center, interesting. I bought a small amount of Northern Lights Skunk and ask about clones.

It turns out they are giving away a high CBG they have developed (Zak Haze) to each qualified patient that joins before there grand opening when they are ready to pass out.

When I got home, I found this at their web site. Add a .com and look around.

Best
canyon


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Two little capsules a day is all it takes for many to begin to feel better and gain a sense of control over their health and wellbeing. We have spent a considerable amount of time and research to develop a product that will help with daily life and deliver a healthy, measured dose of beneficial cannabinoids that when combined with a healthy lifestyle of good nutrition, exercise, and restful sleep, will result in feeling better and healthier. We also enlisted Steep Hill Laboratory's Chief scientist to ensure our formulas were the best they can be for New Mexico patients.

If you consume more than 2.5 grams of medical cannabis a day,
you might consider adding Concentrated Cannabis Oil to your therapy


It's simple. As a patient you are allotted 280 units over the course of 90 days. Each and every unit counts and though 8 ounces of medical cannabis may sound like a lot, spread that out over 90 days you have a different picture altogether. As it works out, 8 ounces over 90 days is 2.5 units per day (2.5 grams of medical cannabis flower or .75 grams of concentrate). Confusing? You bet it is and, this is why you need a good strategy to ensure you have enough medication to get you from point A to point B.

We love smoking flower, but let's face it, if you need more than 3 joints a day, sooner or later you are going to reach your limit and you'll be turned away from your local dispensary. If you use edibles and concentrates, as part of your cannabis therapy routine, keeping track of your units is even further complicated and if you're not careful, can eat up (no pun intended) your units faster than you might imagine.

What can you do to ensure you'll have enough medical cannabis?
It's not sexy, and nobody likes to hear it, but.... Budget. There, I said it, the "B" word. Sit down and do an honest tally of your daily use. If you fall into the casual or light use category, you should be fine. If you require more, it's time to do a brutal assessment. If it's PTSD or chronic pain, you might consider a concentrated cannabis oil therapy combined with medical cannabis flower and other concentrates.

How does Concentrated Cannabis Oil work?

Organtica provides CCO capsules in a daytime and nighttime formula. When taken daily these two capsules count as one unit, leaving you with 1.5 units of flower or .375 units of concentrates daily to administer when you deem appropriate.

How will I feel when I take these capsules?
Look, if you are moderate to heavy user, you probably have a pretty high tolerance. These capsules won't melt your face off. You will feel the effects of the full entourage effect of beneficial cannabinoids and terpenes. Many of you will feel a sense of intoxication or euphoria. New patients and patients with low tolerances may want to stick to the nighttime plan and skip the daytime dose until they have built up a sufficient tolerance to be comfortable.

Our suggested daily schedule to a better way of feeling healthy

Day One:

Wait until after you've had your evening meal, and about a half-hour before you go to sleep, take the green capsule. It is important to plan accordingly and allow yourself a minimum of 8 hours of sleep. Make sure to set your alarm clock.
Upon awaking, you may feel a bit groggy. Caffeine or exercise may help alleviate this situation, if you are so inclined and effected. Most people find the effect to dissipate quickly.
If you do wake up groggy, wait until noon to take the daytime capsule (Green and White) . If you wake up good to go and refreshed from a great night's sleep, take the daytime capsule right after your breakfast (don't skip breakfast!).

Day Two:
All of the above. Green capsule at night, Green and White capsule in the morning.
Eat well! Don't skip breakfast! Eat sensibly and well balanced. Fresh vegetables, fruit and plenty of clean water. Eat several small meals instead of one or two large meals. The object to to realign your body and let it do its thing.

Day Three:
All of the above. Green capsule at night, Green and White capsule in the morning... with a twist.
On day three you will start to feel comfortable with the medication, plan a schedule that includes a good hot bath before bedtime. If you really want to get the most beneficial use out of the bath time include epsom salt based, organic bath bombs to the water and soak for a good 20 minutes. I know right? Who has time for this kind of stuff? You do. Do it! The simple matter that you stop for 20 minutes and let your body relax is enough to make anybody's day a whole lot better.

Day Four:
Same as day one and two. But today instead of taking a bath, you are going to take a 20 minute walk. Around the block, around the house, it's up to you. Have a pet? Take them along for the walk. Well, unless you have a cat. Yeah, cats aren't real good with taking walks.
The idea is to carve out 20 minute every few days to dedicate it to your body and your wellness. Like to run? Great, do it. Jog? Ride a bike? What ever floats your boat, do it. Do it for 20 minutes every few days.

Day Five:
Same as day one and two. But today instead of taking a bath or going for a walk you are going to take 20 minutes and meditate. For many, this may be the most challenging aspect of the therapy. The object is to simply sit comfortably and think of nothing for 20 minutes. Just sit there and listen to the sound of your breath, in and out. Sit and listen to the smallest of sounds in your world, sit and listen, try not to think about your day, the things you have to do, etc. Just sit, listen, and be in the moment.

Day Six:

Same as day one and two. But today instead of taking a bath a walk or meditating, you are going to take a 20 minutes and do what ever makes you feel good. Have a hobby? Write a letter, draw a picture, whatever floats your boat. Just do it for 20 minutes!

Day Seven:

Same as day one and two. But today instead of all the other stuff, take the day off. Yup. Do your thing. Get ready for the next week and reflect on how you feel. Contemplate how your sleep has been impacted and how your typical aches and pains are at this moment.

Feels better, right?

The ultimate goal is to focus on a healthy lifestyle that is beneficial to the mind, body and spirit. By practicing the routine you are challenged to create time and space that is dedicated to your health and wellbeing. By achieving the practice, you are devoting time to you and being a more comfortable participant in your health. Whether you choose to add concentrate cannabis oil as part of your daily routine or not, simply focusing on your health and following the daily guidelines as suggested above, will help immensely.

Who has time for this kind of mumbo jumbo? You do. Look, we all have busy lives; bills, family, jobs, more bills to pay and crap to deal with. It's hard carving out 20 minutes a day to do something a silly as "just sitting there and not thinking about anything". But it works! Try it, what do you have loose?
 
Quick question - What's the difference between cannaoil and concentrated cannabis oil? Anything? Or are they the same thing?
 
My husband grew 5 Hash Plants and has finished harvesting and drying them for the most part. He's still planning on doing more trimming but he said I could use some of it for my first try at cannaoil. Here's a link to the recipe I'm using:

How to Make Canna Oil in an Hour with Coconut Oil - Cannahacker

It doesn't make a lot but I wanted to make sure it suited my needs before investing more pot in it. My long term plan is to make lots of oils for different applications. Hash Plant is supposed to be good for insomnia and pain so I'm hoping to use it as my nighttime med to replace the Nordle oil I'm currently using and am almost finished.

I also want to make a daytime pain reliever oil and a daytime anxiety reliever oil. I much prefer the idea of ingesting my cannabis over vaping it. I know they say vaping is safe but since it sometimes does make me cough, I'd like to ingest it more often.

I'd also like to make an oil strictly for recreational use.
 
Quick question - What's the difference between cannaoil and concentrated cannabis oil? Anything? Or are they the same thing?
cannaoil,is like cannabutter,something you use in foods for example cannabis is added to oil. CCO concentrated cannabis oil is a totally different way of making and also more strong.
 
My husband grew 5 Hash Plants and has finished harvesting and drying them for the most part. He's still planning on doing more trimming but he said I could use some of it for my first try at cannaoil. Here's a link to the recipe I'm using:

How to Make Canna Oil in an Hour with Coconut Oil - Cannahacker

It doesn't make a lot but I wanted to make sure it suited my needs before investing more pot in it. My long term plan is to make lots of oils for different applications. Hash Plant is supposed to be good for insomnia and pain so I'm hoping to use it as my nighttime med to replace the Nordle oil I'm currently using and am almost finished.

I also want to make a daytime pain reliever oil and a daytime anxiety reliever oil. I much prefer the idea of ingesting my cannabis over vaping it. I know they say vaping is safe but since it sometimes does make me cough, I'd like to ingest it more often.

I'd also like to make an oil strictly for recreational use.

Am I reading that recipe correctly, 3.5 grams for just ONE tablespoon of oil? Is that even enough oil to cover the buds? If so, that's going to be strong oil. :)

I love using oil to help with sleep. When I vape the effect doesn't last long enough, but with the oil it's lights out, see you in the morning. :sleep:
 
Yep, you read it right. The recommended dose is 1/2 a teaspoon, which I'm about to take and hope that it does help me sleep and doesn't get me high instead, which would be bad on a work night. I was going to make it yesterday but DH didn't go out for the day like he said he was going to and I didn't want him around when I was working on it as he often makes "helpful" comments. I just prefer to do my own thing without his input, you know?

Am I reading that recipe correctly, 3.5 grams for just ONE tablespoon of oil? Is that even enough oil to cover the buds? If so, that's going to be strong oil. :)

I love using oil to help with sleep. When I vape the effect doesn't last long enough, but with the oil it's lights out, see you in the morning. :sleep:
 
Yep, you read it right. The recommended dose is 1/2 a teaspoon, which I'm about to take and hope that it does help me sleep and doesn't get me high instead, which would be bad on a work night. I was going to make it yesterday but DH didn't go out for the day like he said he was going to and I didn't want him around when I was working on it as he often makes "helpful" comments. I just prefer to do my own thing without his input, you know?

Do report back with how it works! :goodluck:

I know what you mean about the helpful comments. I actually need my husband's help though; otherwise, I do stupid things. For instance last night I almost forgot to double my nutes because I was mixing 2 gallons of water, and then I almost put my pH tester drops in the bucket of water instead of the vial. Fortunately, my husband "helped" correct me each time. I wish I could say I was high while doing this, but that excuse isn't valid until my autos are done. Thank goodness he's a patient man. :laughtwo:
 
My husband grew 5 Hash Plants and has finished harvesting and drying them for the most part. He's still planning on doing more trimming but he said I could use some of it for my first try at cannaoil. Here's a link to the recipe I'm using:

How to Make Canna Oil in an Hour with Coconut Oil - Cannahacker

It doesn't make a lot but I wanted to make sure it suited my needs before investing more pot in it. My long term plan is to make lots of oils for different applications. Hash Plant is supposed to be good for insomnia and pain so I'm hoping to use it as my nighttime med to replace the Nordle oil I'm currently using and am almost finished.

I also want to make a daytime pain reliever oil and a daytime anxiety reliever oil. I much prefer the idea of ingesting my cannabis over vaping it. I know they say vaping is safe but since it sometimes does make me cough, I'd like to ingest it more often.

I'd also like to make an oil strictly for recreational use.

Canna oil is infused, which means we extract the trichomes and they become "one" with the carrier oil. Concentrated Cannabis Oil (CCO) is the extraction of the trichomes using a solvent that is evaporated off, leaving only the concentration of the oil found in those trichomes. The capsules referred to in the post by Canyon would be made with CCO. The capsules I use for myself and my daughter are made with infused oils.

If I were treating something like cancer I'd be reaching for CCO in conjunction with other methods, but CCO would be my primary meds. As the post above points out, the overzealous regulation by uninformed governmental officials can raise another need for the use of CCO.

I looked over the recipe HashGirl. The ratio of cannabis to oil is twice what many of us use for medicinal purposes, so be alert to that when you take that initial dose. I personally use a ratio of 80 grams of dry buds (400 gr wet, freshly-harvested) to 500 ml of carrier oil. Converted down that would only be 2.4 grams of bud to that tablespoon of oil. You have a fairly high tolerance, but I'd stick with the recommendation of a teaspoon and wait it out the entire 90 minutes before increasing.

I decarb for an hour at 245 degrees F. Then I cool in the freezer for that hour. I'd hope that the poster had some lab tests to back up that 290 degrees for precisely 7 minutes. It makes me nervous to risk my trichomes like that. Your choice baby.

I'd also recommend you use between a half tablespoon to a tablespoon of liquid sunflower lecithin. If you're going to make oils, as you stated, you'll be needing to include the product anyway. It potentiates the meds by making them more bioavailable, as well as add a valuable brain food to the mix. Lecithin causes the oil to hit the system much faster and deeper than oils made without.

Also, if you have a roasting bag it goes a long way for controlling the odors. I toss the cooled pan into the freezer for an hour before I open the bag. Just a hope that I can somehow keep all the terpenes from floating away, even though neikodog demonstrated the futility of that move. I live in an apartment building. Controlling those delicious smells of roasting cannabis is a bonus for me. :laughtwo:

Have fun with your first oil-making. :woohoo: How exciting. Fuzz, you're next, aren't you? You haven't made any, have you?
 
HashGirl, I didn't realize you'd already made it. We were cross posting. :laughtwo: Do report back tomorrow and tell us how effective it was for you and how the dose went.
 
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