SweetSue's Cannabis Oil Study Hall

[kofidog]

Can someone point me to directions for making CCO, tincture and topicals?

 

[AngryBird]

Can someone point me to directions for making CCO, tincture and topicals?

1st you are in the right thread this is active and ongoing tests almost daily. Oil tinctures etc.
If you want more reading Cannabis Oil

If I am not mistaken..this is tincture from somewhere here in earlier pages

A cold tincture takes anywhere from 60 - 120 days, and made wit vegetable glycerin lends the tastiest tincture. Dark Devil Auto has to be the tastiest strain around. The buds alone are delicious. I think she's a great one for a tincture.

I loosely filled a jar with lightly chopped buds. It came to 10 grams. Into the oven for about 15 min at 200 degrees F to dry out and then out of the oven while it resets to 245 degrees F. Then back in for another 30 minutes to decarb.



Add glycerin slowly as you stir with a wooden spoon to get every bit of the plant material coated.



Add a bit more glycerin. Give it a gentle shake and find a storage area.



To be agitated a couple times a day until done.



Stored over here in my work corner I'll be more likely to remember to agitate it.



Covered to block the light and easy to get to.

I'm giving it at least two months before I check it with the intention of letting it go a full four months in the end. I'm looking forward to testing it out. This will take more patience than I typically demonstrate.

This is for creme ( I assume that is topical)

SweetSue's Cannabis Oil Study Hall

 

[SweetSue]

Can someone point me to directions for making CCO, tincture and topicals?

Let's clarify this a little bit. Are you talking a small batch of CCO or a large batch (2 oz of plant material or more)? A cold tincture or a hot one? Topicals for pain or skin conditions? As you can see, there are many options. The basic instructions for making CCO are found in this link:

How To Make Concentrated Cannabis Oil

The basic instructions are on the first page.

We've since come up with a refinement using a distiller to reclaim the ethanol. If you're interested that information can be gathered as well. For a small batch I recommend an easier method using a non-stick skillet and a double boiler to evaporate the ethanol off. Here's the link to my own run with that method.

Small-Scale CCO

Decarb can be done either before or after the process, although there's evidence to suggest you'll retain more terpenes and flavinoids if you decarb at the end of the process, as detailed by Tim in the link above.

For a consolidation of recipes for tinctures and topicals I recommend you check out Cannafan's Wellness Sanctuary.

Cannafan's Wellness Sanctuary

We have recipies scattered about, but Cannafan's gone through the trouble to compile her own finds into a central spot. It'll save you a lot of running around. I haven't reached that point of organization yet.

If you have any more questions, please don't hesitate to ask.

 

[infiniteJuan]

Why would it need to be for 20 minutes Juan? I don't have any problem with the oil, as long as it's in liquid form. Let it begin to solidify and it makes me gag. After all this time pre-dosing with coconut oil I'm learning to enjoy the taste.

You make an interesting point - is it the cannabis oil or the coconut oil doing the most to change the stools? For some reason the coconut oil hadn't occurred to me, probably because I know that the ECS regulates the digestive and elimination systems, so I assumed.

You'd think that after 62 years I'd have learned not to make assumptions. I even have a sign to that effect on my front door to remind me.

Everything I've read about oil pulling with coconut oil says that for best results you need to swish for 10-20 minutes. I usually aim for 15 at least but I've been slacking and not doing it at all, for a while now, even though I am quite sure it is beneficial. That tends to be my MO sometimes... neglect all that is healthy, even though I know it is healthy and makes me feel good. I've gotta work on that one. :/

I'd think that the digestion and defecation process is improved due to the team effort of the raw coconut oil (olive oil?) as well as the infusion of the cannabis compounds into it. But that's just an assumption as well. Sometimes assuming is all we have, so we've gotta go with it.

Cheers Sue, I hope all is well!

 

[SweetSue]

Everything I've read about oil pulling with coconut oil says that for best results you need to swish for 10-20 minutes. I usually aim for 15 at least but I've been slacking and not doing it at all, for a while now, even though I am quite sure it is beneficial. That tends to be my MO sometimes... neglect all that is healthy, even though I know it is healthy and makes me feel good. I've gotta work on that one. :/

I'd think that the digestion and defecation process is improved due to the team effort of the raw coconut oil (olive oil?) as well as the infusion of the cannabis compounds into it. But that's just an assumption as well. Sometimes assuming is all we have, so we've gotta go with it.

Cheers Sue, I hope all is well!

Swishing coconut oil in your mouth for 15-20 minutes would be a chore and a half. This is one of the problems I have with tacking, you need to keep from swallowing for 20 minutes. How many people actually do it right all the time? I'm sure if you have a disease threatening to kill you you'd be more motivated, but what a wearisome way to get meds in.

 

[SweetSue]

Pain Creme Update

We've been hearing good things about the pain cream lately and I thought I'd share my own stories. Yesterday the daughter bit her tongue while eating pizza. yeowch!!! She tore it open and drew serious blood. I had her rinse the area with peroxide, which you know amped up the pain.

I'd just finished packing up some potentiated pain cream for my favorite walking, talking ball of pain and had some scrapings left in the bowl. I gathered some of it up and had her rub it into her palms. One of the things that initially drew me to this oil recipe was the OP's statement that it would relieve pain just about anywhere in the body simply by rubbing it into your palms.

Almost immediately she had the pain level drop to almost non-existent. Then five minutes later she texted me, asking how long the cream usually took to work because she'd noticed that the tight muscles in her upper back had released and she could breathe easy again. Two for the price of one.

Then, today, I was reaching for something out of the way in the kitchen, stepping over a stack of five-gallon buckets I have for bud washing when I caught my little toe on one of the handles. OUCH!!!!

Thankfully, I'd just finished a new batch of potentiated cream. I increased the infused coconut oil volume and added a bit of CBD oil to it as well, to bring it closer to the 5:1 ratio K used recently. I immediately grabbed some cream and slathered it on. The pain dropped by about 80%. Obviously I gave the area a good sprain, but it's not really hurting that much, as long as I slather on new cream every couple hours. Being such a serious sprain and torn skin on top of that, located at the farthest extremity, rubbing cream into the hands had a minor effect on this one. Getting it slathered directly on the toe and surrounding area was much more effective.

I must admit, I made it a bit worse by walking to dinner out, a half mile in each direction, right after the injury. Yeah, not my brightest moment, but good grief I was hungry and needed to feel special at that point. A dear friend gave me a gift certificate for Panara Bread, so it was like she took me out to dinner

It was very special, and now I'm resting the foot for the rest of the evening. This cream rocks.

 

[SweetSue]

We're a study hall. Let's study something.

When I rub this pain cream into my hands, it reduces pain in other parts of the body, often within seconds. My personal experience has been that this cream, rubbed into the palms of my hands, will relax painful muscles and reduce pain in my left upper back. I'm sure others here who use this cream could share stories similar to mine.

How is this possible? My understanding is that the cream doesn't enter the bloodstream because it doesn't penetrate the skin deep enough to do so.

Anybody care to offer an explaination?

 

[Arctic Bowl]

Hello Sue, just dropping by to say hi and bring positive energy to our Gaurdian Angel. We don't have any answers to the pain cream but will say that the cream we made with your guidance has done wonderful things helping friends and loved ones. Not sure how it works but it does. For us it's been fantastic and I'd recommend trying it no matter what the issue is. Can't hurt to try right?

Blessed Buds and much.

 

[SweetSue]

Hello Sue, just dropping by to say hi and bring positive energy to our Gaurdian Angel. We don't have any answers to the pain cream but will say that the cream we made with your guidance has done wonderful things helping friends and loved ones. Not sure how it works but it does. For us it's been fantastic and I'd recommend trying it no matter what the issue is. Can't hurt to try right?

Blessed Buds and much.

Thanks so much Arctic, and my best to both of you. I'm just curious about the Pharmacokenetics. This cream is amazing. It's the only reason I'm moving around tonight and not crying from the pain. I'm certain I didn't break it, but I came as close to doing so as I could.

 

[RheinRover]

We're a study hall. Let's study something.

When I rub this pain cream into my hands, it reduces pain in other parts of the body, often within seconds. My personal experience has been that this cream, rubbed into the palms of my hands, will relax painful muscles and reduce pain in my left upper back. I'm sure others here who use this cream could share stories similar to mine.

How is this possible? My understanding is that the cream doesn't enter the bloodstream because it doesn't penetrate the skin deep enough to do so.

Anybody care to offer an explaination?

Could it be that with all of the blood pumping through our hands that the THC is absorbed and transferred into the blood stream?
When its really hot here and I can't find relief I always put my hands in cold water and this will cool my body down in no time flat. I read this works because of the massive amounts of blood going through out hands.
So maybe just maybe with all of this blood pumping through its picking up the THC and transferring the pain relief to other parts of the body.

 

[Dave Groomer]

I suspect it is because there are a large number of CB1 and CB2 receptors in the skin. Here is the conclusion from and article on the Distribution of CB1 and CB2 receptors:

CONCLUSION:

The abundant distribution of cannabinoid receptors on skin nerve fibers and mast cells provides implications for an anti-inflammatory, anti-nociceptive action of cannabinoid receptor agonists and suggests their putatively broad therapeutic potential.

 

[SweetSue]

Could it be that with all of the blood pumping through our hands that the THC is absorbed and transferred into the blood stream?
When its really hot here and I can't find relief I always put my hands in cold water and this will cool my body down in no time flat. I read this works because of the massive amounts of blood going through out hands.
So maybe just maybe with all of this blood pumping through its picking up the THC and transferring the pain relief to other parts of the body.

I thought of this, but if it was traveling through the bloodstream it would be detectable. To my understanding, it isn't unless you have broken skin.

I suspect it is because there are a large number of CB1 and CB2 receptors in the skin. Here is the conclusion from and article on the Distribution of CB1 and CB2 receptors:

CONCLUSION:

The abundant distribution of cannabinoid receptors on skin nerve fibers and mast cells provides implications for an anti-inflammatory, anti-nociceptive action of cannabinoid receptor agonists and suggests their putatively broad therapeutic potential.

This is what I suspect is happening. The ECS is fundamentally a messaging system. It's all wired together for instantaneous reaction and response, system wide. My theory is that the cannabinoids hit the receptors in the skin and transfer that signal system-wide. That suggests that a receptor firing in the skin of the hands can also cause a sympathetic firing in remote reaches of the system, something I find utterly fascinating.

 

[SweetSue]

It suggests that the firing of receptors in the hands causes the ECS to create those pain responses in house. Phytocannabinoids calling out endocannabinoids. Just the way we need it to work.

 

[Mr. Krip]

It suggests that the firing of receptors in the hands causes the ECS to create those pain responses in house. Phytocannabinoids calling out endocannabinoids. Just the way we need it to work.

Here are some bits of related info that may help...

First, essential oils are absorbed through the skin "better" by certain parts of the body, including the palms of the hands and soles of the feet:

Absorption of Essential Oils by administrator

Essential oils are absorbed differently through several parts of the body. Knowing the absorption of the oils through various areas will give better understanding when it comes to using the oils and deciding which application will work best for you.

[h=3]Skin[/h] Depending on the oil, the amount it is diluted, and the application technique, the absorption of essential oils through the skin varies. Essential oils are minutely absorbed through the skin; a higher concentration of oil will absorb at a higher rate than a more diluted oil. Different areas of the skin are more permeable than others, like the palms of hands, soles of feet, forehead, scalp, behind the ears, inside the wrists and armpits, and will be quicker to absorb oil compared to areas like the legs and stomach areas. Most oils should be diluted when used directly on skin to avoid any possible adverse reaction. Some people may use a mild essential oil such as Lavender directly on their skin, however the safe method is always to dilute the highly concentrated oils.

This is great info intended for pharmacists on topical and transdermal drug dellivery

Note:

Generally, drug absorption into the skin occurs by passive diffusion. The rate of drug transport across the stratum corneum follows Fick’s Law of Diffusion (see box below). In other words, the rate of drug transport depends not only on its aqueous solubility, but is also directly proportional to its oil/water partition coefficient, its concentration in the formulation vehicle, and the surface area of the skin to which it is exposed; it is inversely proportional to the thickness of the stratum corneum. The stratum corneum is thickest in the plantar (soles) and palmar regions and thinnest in the postauricular, axillary, and scalp regions of the body. An understanding of the transport behavior of drugs is vital for designing an effective topical or transdermal product, as well as reasonably predicting and comparing drug behavior in various formulations. The latter is of practical importance to the pharmacist who is required to suggest one or more effective drug products out of the many commercial formulations available or to counsel patients on proper use and handling of topical and transdermal products.

 

[KeifKeith]

I have spent more than enough time in the company of Neurologists and their medical counterparts, and although they would never openly admit it, our nervous systems are something even the most educated people of earth don't fully understand. I have heard their sidebar communications and have educated myself enough in their lingo to understand Doc speak. Our two major nerve systems are categorized as the Central and Peripheral systems, but the line between these are becoming blurred as the newest cutting edge imaging systems are able to "see" not only the electrical nerve impulse firings, but also the chemical originators of the electrical end result, and vice versa. Neural is the communications and control central network of any living animal, but it's co-involvement with the many other systems is still a mystery.

All that said, the neural communications network in your body "speaks" at least 275mph between point A and point B, and no doubt your hand receptors (a multitude of types) can quickly "tell" any other point in your body messages.

Perhaps Acupuncture is a decent example, although non-scientific and unexplained in Western medicine cultures, the method can be effective. The analogy in this instance is that non-local receptors are triggered to call "attention" to non-local and relatively distant parts of your body. There are many more similar medical practices that seem moderately effective, but have no solid Western medicine explanation. Yes ... Docs, Big Pharma and their treatments have developed immensely over the past century, are very impressive and do help people, but they are far from perfect science or the best medicine.

Ramble over!

Keith

 

[AngryBird]

Hi Sue
I feel the pain in your toe.I have done it soo many times.....and boy it never stops hurting.
My favorite is when I kick it in the corner of the sofa or the leg of a chair or somewhere else very painful!

Feel better soon

 

[SweetSue]

Thanks AngryBird. It looks much worse today and feels much better. I think my walking group was talking about tomorrow instead of today, something I hope works out. I could use another day off and I'd hate to miss coffee time with the girls. It's my only regular social event since Dale died and I'm not willing to miss it. My walking partner is the slowest among us, which is why I accompany her. I do all kinds of walking, so I can take a slow stroll and not feel deprived. She's great company too, so I'd really miss our bonding time.

Last night I found the best relief from slathering it on the sole of my foot, up close to the toe. So far today I only bumped it once.

Last night I also started treating the stubborn ear infection with garlic infused THC oil. I'm starting to feel like a medicine woman. Lol!

I'll keep you all posted. I have no pain in this ear at all, and haven't, even when the swelling had it almost entirely closed off and I could feel the throbbing of my heartbeat. I chalk that up, and the absence of any fever, to the capsules I take on schedule. All I'm dealing with now is the recovery of hearing loss. It can take a while for that to clear up, and I figured some drops as I wait wouldn't hurt. I've had more than my share of these infections (Q-tip addict ) and this is the strangest one ever. I can feel it isn't entirely eradicated. This should do it.

Garlic drops have never failed me. Ask me why I waited so long. God only knows. Combining the garlic with cannabinoids can only be a good thing, yes?

 

[Mr. Krip]

Combining the garlic with cannabinoids can only be a good thing, yes?

Sounds like the makings of a great salad dressing!

 

[Canna Montana]

Sounds like the makings of a great salad dressing!

That would be a great oil to cook a steak in, or to put in the mashed taters. Mmm

 

[SweetSue]

Sounds like the makings of a great salad dressing!

It's a lovely, savory oil that definately would go great on a salad.

That would be a great oil to cook a steak in, or to put in the mashed taters. Mmm

Isn't it great? Medicine you can cook with. Mmmmm...... I have some mashed potatoes out there. Maybe I'll try some of it. I have much more oil infused than I need for the ear.