SweetSue's Cannabis Oil Study Hall

Mr. Krip said:
FYI, when I measure out doses like this, I use a 10 or 12CC syringe. It lets me draw in and easily dispense exact measurements. I do the same to measure out nutes! :)
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K, that never even occurred to me. :laughtwo: That makes it possible for me to get real tight on the measurements. Ooooo..... Got all excited there. I'll take another look at this tomorrow. Back to my buzz. Hoping for sleep, but I'm pretty wired right now.

I'm going to go back to a project I set aside to do this. I was getting ready to attempt a calculation of how many cannabinoids I take in a day, on average. If I ever get it done I'll post it here. :laughtwo:
 
Sue, Mr. Krip and Canyon
Thank you all for the hard work you put into this! Having a more defined dosage number just what I had been looking for.
I just decarbed 65g and its in the freezer now. Most will be turned into 20:1 and 10:1 biobombs. These will be used in combination with tacking to help defeat brain cancer.
Who knew that growing for fun would turn into helping!
Once again you guys ROCK!
 
SweetSue said:
Continuing rework on the BioBomb capsules

Thank you K. :hugs: For some reason I couldn't get my brain to get that lecithin ratio down to where it needed to be.

Part of what I'm attempting here is to be able to measure the lecithin with measuring spoons, because this stuff is a mess to work with and you won't be able to measure it any other way.

So, 1 tsp = 5ml, 1/2 tsp = 2.5 ml, 1/4 tsp = 1.25 ml, 1/8 tsp = 62.5 ml.

What I propose is we don't get anal about exact measurements, because we won't have the equipment at home that'll allow for tight control. In my calculations all lecithin measurements are meant to be done slightly on the lite side, just shy of the spoon measurement called for. This'll bring us closer to the ratios of carrier oil:CCO we want.

In the same vein we're going to round down on the figures for the cannabinoid load per capsule. That way, in my mind, if we're a little over on our lecithin measurements and end up with an extra capsule it doesn't significantly change our anticipated numbers.

Everybody comfortable with that?

The reworked numbers:

20:1 = 1 ml CCO + 18 ml carrier oil + 1/2 tsp (lite) lecithin

21 capsules with approx. 45 mg cannabinoids per capsule

10:1 = 1 ml CCO + 9 ml carrier oil + 1/4 tsp (lite) lecithin

11 capsules of approx. 80 mg cannabinoids per capsule.

5:1 = 1 ml CCO + 5 ml carrier oil + 1/8 (lite) tsp lecithin.

6 capsules having approx. 150 mg cannabinoids per capsule.

Ok, how's that look?
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Seem good to me Sue. As you know, I've questioned the ratio in this Bio Bomb for a long time and this makes for sense to me. Great work As always Sue :)
 
actually, sorry to say, but your math is wrong in this sue.

just a simple decimal point on the lecithin. should be .625 ml

the next point. is that you mention we can't get the control of measurements. you can. you have syringes that you use. why not base your math on cc's rather than ml's? it would be the same number ie: 1ml=1cc..

it still appears to be coming at a 6:1 with the lecithin added on top of the carrier amount.

so for each 5:1 you would need 1 cc CCO + 4 cc carrier oil + 1 cc lecithin. for a true 5:1

then you can take and multiply that recipe quite easily up or down as needed.

20:1 = 1 cc CCO + 16 cc C.O. + 4 cc LEC
10:1 = 1 cc CCO + 8 cc C.O. + 2 cc LEC
5:1 = 1 cc CCO + 4 cc C.O. + 1 cc LEC

sorry thats how my brain sees it. uses the same numbers as you but comes at a true 5:1 and up.

didn't mean to hijack you or disturb the flow of conversation. just thought maybe you could use the tools you do have, ie the syringes you pick the CCO up with. fill one with lecithin too maybe?

or i could be way off base. but i need to start paying more attention here and get some of these made up myself. too much stuff on the go sometimes lol.


SweetSue said:
Continuing rework on the BioBomb capsules

Thank you K. :hugs: For some reason I couldn't get my brain to get that lecithin ratio down to where it needed to be.

Part of what I'm attempting here is to be able to measure the lecithin with measuring spoons, because this stuff is a mess to work with and you won't be able to measure it any other way.

So, 1 tsp = 5ml, 1/2 tsp = 2.5 ml, 1/4 tsp = 1.25 ml, 1/8 tsp = 62.5 ml.

What I propose is we don't get anal about exact measurements, because we won't have the equipment at home that'll allow for tight control. In my calculations all lecithin measurements are meant to be done slightly on the lite side, just shy of the spoon measurement called for. This'll bring us closer to the ratios of carrier oil:CCO we want.

In the same vein we're going to round down on the figures for the cannabinoid load per capsule. That way, in my mind, if we're a little over on our lecithin measurements and end up with an extra capsule it doesn't significantly change our anticipated numbers.

Everybody comfortable with that?

The reworked numbers:

20:1 = 1 ml CCO + 18 ml carrier oil + 1/2 tsp (lite) lecithin

21 capsules with approx. 45 mg cannabinoids per capsule

10:1 = 1 ml CCO + 9 ml carrier oil + 1/4 tsp (lite) lecithin

11 capsules of approx. 80 mg cannabinoids per capsule.

5:1 = 1 ml CCO + 5 ml carrier oil + 1/8 (lite) tsp lecithin.

6 capsules having approx. 150 mg cannabinoids per capsule.

Ok, how's that look?
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unforgiven said:
actually, sorry to say, but your math is wrong in this sue.

just a simple decimal point on the lecithin. should be .625 ml

the next point. is that you mention we can't get the control of measurements. you can. you have syringes that you use. why not base your math on cc's rather than ml's? it would be the same number ie: 1ml=1cc..

it still appears to be coming at a 6:1 with the lecithin added on top of the carrier amount.

so for each 5:1 you would need 1 cc CCO + 4 cc carrier oil + 1 cc lecithin. for a true 5:1

then you can take and multiply that recipe quite easily up or down as needed.

20:1 = 1 cc CCO + 16 cc C.O. + 4 cc LEC
10:1 = 1 cc CCO + 8 cc C.O. + 2 cc LEC
5:1 = 1 cc CCO + 4 cc C.O. + 1 cc LEC

sorry thats how my brain sees it. uses the same numbers as you but comes at a true 5:1 and up.

didn't mean to hijack you or disturb the flow of conversation. just thought maybe you could use the tools you do have, ie the syringes you pick the CCO up with. fill one with lecithin too maybe?

or i could be way off base. but i need to start paying more attention here and get some of these made up myself. too much stuff on the go sometimes lol.
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Please unforgiven, jump in. There's no thread jacking here. This thread is intended to do exactly what we're doing right here - brainstorm our asses off until we get it right. I'm going to read over your post and give this another look. Thank you for pointing out the decimal error and thank you for the ratio thoughts.

I have one of those brains that has a challenge with math sometimes. I enjoy the interplay of numbers, but every once in a while my brain transposes numbers or misses decimal points. My first major in college was accounting. That lasted one semester. It wasn't pretty. :laughtwo:

I have those syringes and never thought about them as I stood in the kitchen yesterday trying to figure out how to get precise measurements. Duh!!! I use these myself to measure drenches as well as to pull up the oil. Sometimes guys, the blonde comes roaring through. Thank you all for being so tolerant. :battingeyelashes:

And yes unforgiven, it's time for you to make your own batch of capsules and to discover what a game-changer they can be. I hear and read all the time about how edibles aren't an optimal method of administration, and I smile at those statements. It wasn't until we went to edible capsules that we stabilized my daughter's anxiety, depression, PTSD, panic attacks, chronic sinus infection and the many aches and pains that accompany a life lived immersed in stress. It's edible capsules that keep me at a constant level of where I want to be euphorically and have completely eliminated my own muscular aches and the creakiness that often accompanies aging.

I think the medical community is missing out on something here. I'm glad we decided not to wait for them. Let me have my breakfast and revisit the numbers. I'm going to see how difficult it is to use the syringe to measure this sticky, sticky liquid sunflower lecithin.
 
Numbers

Er, I had about decided to go with CC/ml in a 50 ml beaker. The conversation is firming it up as the way to go.

I am still confused as to why the lecithin is/was added last. Could it be the decarb heat? Unless someone can add something here, I will let the oil cool some, then add in the lecithin and refrigerate.

Just an afterthought, I have a small ultrasonic cleaner. When the OJ posts were ongoing I did not make the connection that what I have would work for small batches. And as usual I did not pay close attention.


I never know
canyon
 
Canyon said:
Numbers

Er, I had about decided to go with CC/ml in a 50 ml beaker. The conversation is firming it up as the way to go.

I am still confused as to why the lecithin is/was added last. Could it be the decarb heat? Unless someone can add something here, I will let the oil cool some, then add in the lecithin and refrigerate.

Just an afterthought, I have a small ultrasonic cleaner. When the OJ posts were ongoing I did not make the connection that what I have would work for small batches. And as usual I did not pay close attention.


I never know
canyon
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They use the ultrasonic to make liposomes with Vit C because it's a water-based process. I don't think we need to be concerned with complicating things with an ultrasonic.

To be honest Canyon, I don't know why the lecithin's added last, but it may be an issue with heating it. I'd stick with adding it after decarb and before refrigeration.
 
Thank God we brainstorm without egos. Thank you unforgiven. I've been busy elsewhere most of the day, so this is the first time I've been back to look this over. You hit it out of the park for us.

BioBomb Capsules - Continuing rework

20:1 = 1 cc CCO + 16 cc carrier oil + 4 cc lecithin

1000 mg cannabinoids /21 capsules = 47 mg cannabinoids per capsule.

10:1 = 1 cc CCO + 8 cc carrier oil + 2 cc lecithin

1000 mg /11 capsules = 91 mg cannabinoids per capsule

5:1 = 1 cc CCO + 4 cc carrier oil + 1 cc lecithin

1000 mg/6 capsules = 167 mg cannabinoids per capsule.

I like the way this is looking.

If the lecithin's doing what we think it's doing, which is to get the cannabinoids absorbed faster, then the cannabinoid loads per capsule are going to be potent meds, far beyond what those numbers suggest.

Are we good with going forward on this? Anyone have any objections? Further insight?

I have to say guys, this has frustrated me for months, and I really appreciate the help with it and the patience of those of you who've held on while we kept reworking. The potential here is tremendous. I'm so proud to be a part of this team I could burst. :circle-of-love:

If this stands muster I can go to work on firming up guidelines for using them. Then we can go to work on suppositories. The adventure never ends. :battingeyelashes: :Love:
 
yeah i just have a bad habit with numbers. i see em and my brain spits out an answer. usually not as polite tho....lol so you got the nice version of where my brain goes. lifetime of training eh.

what i need is hmmmm everything on the list to make these, lol. cant find everclear here. not a fan of iso or butane. might have to cook up a batch of moonshine on the stove lol.

mebbe one day.

sorry i don't pipe in here much, but sooo many threads everyday, and sooo much to do here as well. but i am still sub'd so i check on it everytime i get the email, lol. so yah daily lol....usually a few times a day.

catch ya on the next interruption. lol

have fun eh
 
unforgiven said:
yeah i just have a bad habit with numbers. i see em and my brain spits out an answer. usually not as polite tho....lol so you got the nice version of where my brain goes. lifetime of training eh.

what i need is hmmmm everything on the list to make these, lol. cant find everclear here. not a fan of iso or butane. might have to cook up a batch of moonshine on the stove lol.

mebbe one day.

sorry i don't pipe in here much, but sooo many threads everyday, and sooo much to do here as well. but i am still sub'd so i check on it everytime i get the email, lol. so yah daily lol....usually a few times a day.

catch ya on the next interruption. lol

have fun eh
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Well, you were just the brain we needed, and it makes me feel special that you keep abreast of our adventures. :hugs:
 

Everything has arrived. The oven is warming up.

There is not much in the way of pictures that has not been covered. I will try to get a few anyway.

I am good with the 20:1. I plan to take some coconut oil in the morning and a ginko cap for whatever is in it. Then I can makeup the caps while I give the pre medicating oil time to work.

I forgot the mango. If it is important I can grab some in the morning.

Oh, I wish you had not mentioned anything rectal. That is only a maybe for me, if you promise me a trip around the moon and promise not to tell anyone.

I have to fuss with some plants while I fuss with the oil. If it is not too late I will post again tonight.

Best
 
Canyon said:
Well, the kitchen smells great. Make that, the house smells great.

Everything went smooth.Tomorrow.

Best
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Love that smell. I just finished filling capsules with the olive oil extraction, sitting next to my open closet grow of the Med GOM 1.0. She's just shy of harvest and smells incredible. Mouth watering stuff.

We have the most wonderful hobby, don't we?

I'm glad to hear that stage went well. Tomorrow you get to test. :slide:
 
All this focus on CCO, and it's these olive oil extraction capsules that're making the big difference in my family's life.

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Maybe I should change the title of the study hall to "SweetSue's Cannabis Oil Study Hall". Any thoughts?????
 
My thoughts are, I can't wait to take a whack at making/testing some of that oil. First harvest coming soon!

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infiniteJuan said:
My thoughts are, I can't wait to take a whack at making/testing some of that oil. First harvest coming soon!

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My thoughts too... cant wait!!!
 
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