SweetSue's Cannabis Oil Study Hall

I posted this to another thread, my bad. Now if I can find it.

Mr. Krip,

The 70% number was supposed to be the combined THC and CBD totals. I should have been clearer on that.

20mg is the label "serving size" on chocolate bars here. That is for THC or CBD. 25mg sounds like a good starting place. From your numbers, what I have would translate to about 5g of good bud. That should be about two days worth of smoke. That should be plenty to test with.

Where is that Kool-Aid?
 
Canyon said:
I posted this to another thread, my bad. Now if I can find it.

Mr. Krip,

The 70% number was supposed to be the combined THC and CBD totals. I should have been clearer on that.

20mg is the label "serving size" on chocolate bars here. That is for THC or CBD. 25mg sounds like a good starting place. From your numbers, what I have would translate to about 5g of good bud. That should be about two days worth of smoke. That should be plenty to test with.

Where is that Kool-Aid?
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I haven't forgotten you Canyon. Just got super busy. I'll be back in a couple hours. :hugs:
 
Canyon said:
Nod, There has never been any doubt. I should be mostly around today.

Best
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Alright Canyon, you've been very patient with me. I appreciate that.

You're going to need to decarb the rosin before you start. PeeJay posted a neat process for making oil from the rosin using a silicon jar and a pressure cooker. If you have access to a pressure cooker, you can make good use of it. Here the link of a repost I did of his process. I can't for the life of me find the original post, but this works just as well.

PeeJay's pressure-cooked resin oil

Without a pressure cooker you're looking at standard decarb, 245 degrees F for an hour. I have no experience in decarbing resin. Anybody else have any clue about how to pull this off? My gut says that if you put the resin into the silicone jar with a measured amount of coconut oil and decarbed it, you'd have turned it into an oil we can work with.

The next thing is, how much of what you have do you want to convert into biobombs? The recipe I'm going to give you to test out is the recreational 5:1. I can give you a recipe that'll use a small amount of your resin up to all of it. My thought is you might be better off making a few capsules for testing, rather than commit the entire amount on hand. Your choice.

Something I forgot to mention about pre dosing; take a tablespoon of coconut oil with the supplement of choice and mango.
 
SweetSue said:
Alright Canyon, you've been very patient with me. I appreciate that.

You're going to need to decarb the rosin before you start. PeeJay posted a neat process for making oil from the rosin using a silicon jar and a pressure cooker. If you have access to a pressure cooker, you can make good use of it. Here the link of a repost I did of his process. I can't for the life of me find the original post, but this works just as well.

PeeJay's pressure-cooked resin oil

Without a pressure cooker you're looking at standard decarb, 245 degrees F for an hour. I have no experience in decarbing resin. Anybody else have any clue about how to pull this off? My gut says that if you put the resin into the silicone jar with a measured amount of coconut oil and decarbed it, you'd have turned it into an oil we can work with.

The next thing is, how much of what you have do you want to convert into biobombs? The recipe I'm going to give you to test out is the recreational 5:1. I can give you a recipe that'll use a small amount of your resin up to all of it. My thought is you might be better off making a few capsules for testing, rather than commit the entire amount on hand. Your choice.

Something I forgot to mention about pre dosing; take a tablespoon of coconut oil with the supplement of choice and mango.
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Actually, the oil will decarb quicker than the buds. Probably in 30 minutes, or so, at 245*. When it's no longer bubbling, it's decarbed (I think I learned that researching for you! :winkyface: ).

To decarb the BHO and Rosin, you can put it in a pyrex dish lined with a piece of parchment paper. The dish will simply keep the edges of the paper raised up so the oil doesn't fall over/off/out.
 
Mr. Krip said:
Actually, the oil will decarb quicker than the buds. Probably in 30 minutes, or so, at 245*. When it's no longer bubbling, it's decarbed (I think I learned that researching for you! :winkyface: ).

To decarb the BHO and Rosin, you can put it in a pyrex dish lined with a piece of parchment paper. The dish will simply keep the edges of the paper raised up so the oil doesn't fall over/off/out.
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You are a dream. I just wanted to be sure you knew that. :battingeyelashes: :Love:

Thank you. Love the idea of parchment paper and Pyrex.
 
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Sue, Mr. Krip,

I don't have a pressure cooker. However, I do have a nice small silicone jar that the rosin came in. It will probably hold about 5g or ml. I will check the volume and test it for heat. I am reasonably sure it is ok and food safe but who knows it could be some weird plastic and melt.

From your two posts, I should be able to add any amount you pick of coconut oil up to about 5g to the extracts and decarb until there are no bubbles left at 245. Let me know what you think.

"In for a penny in for a pound." Let's use it all at 5:1

The tablespoon of coconut oil sounds unpleasant. Maybe some Kool-Aid will help.

What kind of supplements are you advocating?

Is there anything other than the capsules and sunflower stuff that I need to order?

Best
 
Canyon said:
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Sue, Mr. Krip,

I don't have a pressure cooker. However, I do have a nice small silicone jar that the rosin came in. It will probably hold about 5g or ml. I will check the volume and test it for heat. I am reasonably sure it is ok and food safe but who knows it could be some weird plastic and melt.

From your two posts, I should be able to add any amount you pick of coconut oil up to about 5g to the extracts and decarb until there are no bubbles left at 245. Let me know what you think.

"In for a penny in for a pound." Let's use it all at 5:1

The tablespoon of coconut oil sounds unpleasant. Maybe some Kool-Aid will help.

What kind of supplements are you advocating?

Is there anything other than the capsules and sunflower stuff that I need to order?

Best
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I actually find the coconut oil, when in liquid form, very tasty. When it goes solid I have a difficult time. Probably the easiest supplement for you to get is the amentaflavone, which can be found in Ginko Biloba capsules.

Do you have the right type of syringes? They don't have to be this size, but they need to have a large enough opening to draw up the oil.

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And you'll need some way to cap it off, but only if you'll be saving some of it.

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Checklist
CCO (to be made)
Liquid sunflower lecithin
Coconut oil
Syringes (for CCO as well as BioBomb mix to fill capsules)
00 capsules

Why not make life easy and go with the .5 gr of rosin? That way we just need to cut the recipe in half. To your .5 gr add 2.5 ml of coconut oil and decarb. Then the measurements would be an additional 1.5 Tablespoons (or 22 ml) of coconut oil and 1/2 Tablespoon of the lecithin.

Do you know the process? Combine, refrigerate overnight, bring to room temperature and fill the capsules. I use pipettes to fill, but a syringe or an eye dropper will also work.

Alright, feel free to ask anything. Good luck Canyon. I hope these work well for you. Be aware that if you react, it'll be fast and full on, so no driving. You really up to this my friend? I love this buzz myself. It's what I live on.
 

Everything is ordered. It is due Friday. I could have caps made Saturday morning.

That gives me some time to think about a few things. I want to check the oven temp and decide on containers. I keep a pizza stone in the oven. At 245 degrees, I think I could get away with placing silicone or Pyrex on it. It should help stabilize the temperature. I have some Pyrex beakers as small as 50ml.

If I use all of both oils, the total THC will be very close to one half gram and 0.07g of CBD. We could use all of it and call it half a gram of THC. That may work better for converting to other concentrates.

I am not really concerned about using what material I have. If this works, I can make more oil. This will probably be the only chance I have to use a tested batch though.

How much do the 00 caps hold?

Best,
The Kool-Aid Kid
 
Canyon said:

Everything is ordered. It is due Friday. I could have caps made Saturday morning.

That gives me some time to think about a few things. I want to check the oven temp and decide on containers. I keep a pizza stone in the oven. At 245 degrees, I think I could get away with placing silicone or Pyrex on it. It should help stabilize the temperature. I have some Pyrex beakers as small as 50ml.

If I use all of both oils, the total THC will be very close to one half gram and 0.07g of CBD. We could use all of it and call it half a gram of THC. That may work better for converting to other concentrates.

I am not really concerned about using what material I have. If this works, I can make more oil. This will probably be the only chance I have to use a tested batch though.

How much do the 00 caps hold?

Best,
The Kool-Aid Kid
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Good evening my favorite kook-aid drinker. :laughtwo: I really appreciate your taking one for the team Canyon. Lol!

The 00 capsules hold a gram each. Thank you my friend. :hugs: :Love:
 
robinsonone said:
Hi SweetSue,

Thank you for your kind wishes and the detailed info, quite helpful. Had a few more questions?

1. Could you please provide me with recommended dosage for my mother to be used as suppositories. (to begin with and the final numbers)
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This is transferred from cajuncelt's cancer protocol thread.

Dosing Considerations: The object is to ingest a minimum of 1g of cannabis oil on a daily basis. If you're not accustomed to THC in the system, start with a very low dose of 25 mg 3 times a day. I will double the dosage to 50 mg after 5 maybe 6 days. I will try to double the dosage to100 mg 4 times a day in 4 to 5 days. From that time forward I hope to double the dosage every 4 days until I have reached a daily dosage that is at least 1 g of cannabis oils.

Dosage Administration: When the dosages reach 100 mg/dose, the dosages will be administered as 25% oral and 75% anal which will be deeply inserted to the rectum as to hit the hepatic portal vein to quickly move the oils to the liver.

Pre-Dosage Preparation: 30—40minutes before dosage:
80 mg Apinenin
200mg Amentoflavone(Ginko Baloba,Amentomax)
1 Mango cup

You start with tacking to get the system accustomed to the cannabinoid therapy. Once you reach 100mg per dose you begin to split the dose up as 25% oral (tacking) and 75% with the suppositories. That means your initial suppositories would only be 75 mg each, but you begin to double the dose quickly as you progress, bumping it up every 4-6 days as tolerated. You simply follow that approach until you're up to a gram of CCO a day.

As you're progressing through the protocol you'll be getting labs and scans done. It's important not to rush the increase in doses. Those test results are your guide to the efficacy of your treatment. For instance, if she's getting about 500mg of cannabinoids a day and test results show a noticeable decrease in tumor activity or a reduction in tumors you want to stay at that dose. Often with cannabis less is more. If you're not doing labs we recommend you go for the one gram a day. One of the best features of cannabis is you won't hurt her by trying. No dangerous side effects to worry about. What a relief that is, eh?

robinsonone said:
2. Apart from the above, could you help me understand the experience of dosing through suppositories, I could potentially prep my mother's expectations? How will the body respond to this? Is the euphoria completely absent, if dosing this way?
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It's a strange kind of feeling dosing with suppositories. There's a moment about five minutes in or so when you can feel the suppository melt, and initially, that can be distressing for a woman. I'm sure it can be for men as well, but I have no perspective there. The distress is caused by our feminine tendency to want to stay neat and clean, and this feels sloppy for a few moments. But only for a few moments.

I found the times I tried suppositories to be very relaxing in the end, because my job was to simply lie still and relax while the medicine absorbed. A couple times I laid across the bed on my stomach and worked on the iPad.

You want to be careful about passing gas or any leakage after the 15-20 minute absorbtion time. Panty liners are a handy thing to have if this is an issue. I found this to be a non-issue, but that was me. If it were problematic fewer people would try the method IMHO, so others must be having an experience close to my own.

Properly inserted, euphoria shouldn't be any concern. If she has any euphoric reaction it's going to be a general sense of feeling good.

robinsonone said:
3. Any info on whether we should dose on the day she is scheduled to receive her chemo? If not how many days before and after should we wait before dosing?
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Yes, dose on the day of chemo. It should help counter at least some of the side effects, but even if it doesn't, you want to stay consistent as possible with the cannabinoid therapy. The cannabinoids only last in the body for up to 4-5 hours, as far as we know, so you want that pressure on the tumors to be relentlessly consistent.

I hope this helps. Keep asking until you're comfortable with the answers.
 
BioBomb capsule rework

I've been playing around with some ideas about the recipe we developed for the BioBomb capsules. There were ratio issues that concerned me from the beginning, and after much thought and research, this is what I've determined, and I'd like as much input as you all can offer here. We're shooting in the dark, and people are counting on us to come close to the mark.

I became most concerned with the recipes we already had when a member shared with me that a patient he'd suggested the recipe to hadn't gotten pain relief that should have been a given. Big bells went off inside my head that day, and it's haunted me ever since. We know that the basic recipe of nothing more than a mix of CCO and coconut oil will work, but what we were trying for was a way to supercharge absorbtion, and that's exactly what the addition of lecithin achieves.

But we're adding too much lecithin and additional carrier oil IMHO. BadKittySmiles recommends a ratio of 10-15% with the lecithin, a ratio I'm very comfortable with. What we were using was way beyond that. I also determined that we've been adding too much carrier oil to the base mix, so I've reworked the formula to give us easy ways to measure and reasonably consistent cannabinoid loads that are necessary to treat the serious maladies we deal with.

Ok, I want hard-nosed critique. I have no ego, and the only concern here is that we find a formula that is therapeuticly relevant and somewhat controllable for dosing purposes.

There are three levels presented. You begin with the 20:1 mix and progress from there to the more potent formulas of the 10:1 and 5:1. These would be the most commonly used formulations, IMO, so if someone needs it more diluted we can work that out at the time. You can always split a dose by using capsules the next size down instead of the 00s.

1 ml = 1 gr
Lecithin = liquid sunflower lecithin
Capsules are 00

20:1 ratio = 1 ml/gr CCO + 20 ml carrier oil + 1 tsp lecithin (refrigerate overnight)
Add 1 Tablespoon carrier oil

This recipe will give you approx. 50 ml of mix, or 50 capsules with approx. 20 mg cannabinoids per capsule.


10:1 ratio = 1 ml/gr CCO + 10 ml carrier oil + 1/2 tsp lecithin (refrigerate overnight)
Add 1.5 tsp of carrier oil.

This recipe gives you 25 capsules with approx. 40 mg cannabinoids per capsule.


5:1 ratio = 1 ml/gr CCO + 5 ml carrier oil + 1/4 tsp lecithin (refrigerate overnight)
Add 1/4 tsp carrier oil.

This recipe makes 10 capsules with approx 100 mg per capsule.

When you dilute it down with the lecithin and additional carrier oil you dilute the cannabinoid load, but our supposition is that the additions potentiate the meds, making everything more bioavailable. So those mg counts are somewhat misleading. When you ingest these capsules a much larger percentage of the cannabinoids will be available for healing. That also means that ingested, they'll be extremely psychoactive. Used as suppositories, with proper depth of insertion, there should be no euphoria to speak of.

It must be warned that these will also hit you fast and at full force. In the industry there's this standard of a 10% dose, one that even a novice can handle. One of these 20:1 capsules will not hit like two of those 10% capsules would. I'd expect the effects to be at least twice as effective and at least twice as potent at onset. They hit at full force and carry at a consistent level for many hours.

There you have it. Please critique. I'll be watching for your thoughts.

 
Sue, Great work! +REPS!! :welldone:

I'm not sure if this is what you're trying to do, but when you're giving a 20:1 ratio, for example, you're giving the ratio of CCO to carrier oil and ignoring the lecithin. Is this what you want to do?

For example, assuming 1 TSP equals 5 ml, in your 20:1 formula you've got 20ml of CCO 1ml of oil and 5ml of lecithin. If you consider the lecithin as part of the carrier and not part of the CCO, this actually gives a 20:6 ratio.

That being said, I believe 5ml of lecithin in 20ml of CCO is HIGH. When making butter/oil, I think you add 1 TBSP (14ml) per cup (237ml) of oil. This is a ratio of 1ml of lecithin to roughly 17ml of oil (remember, your current formula has 1ml of lecithin to 4ml of oil!).

So, if we assume the same ratio of 1:17 (lecithin to oil) will work for the BioBomb caps, the recipe would look SOMETHING like this:

1ml of CCO
2ml of lecithin
18ml of carrier oil

I played with some of the numbers to get to 20:1 without using fractions of ml's, but that should be pretty close.

I hope it helps! :)

:Namaste:
 
Mr.Krip,
The 2ml of lecithin would match up to the 10_15% in the earlear part of Sue's post. My question is, would more cause any problems.

Sue,
When I do the math on the 20 to 1 batch, I come up with 50mg of THC per gram of mix or about 10 caps.


500mg of THC is about the amount that would be in 2.5g of good buds. That is about what I go through in 24 hours. So a 50mg THC/gr caps should be a good strength to work with. I wish I had more material to work with. We should get some idea of the effects and speed from this small batch though. I can make more soon.


So can I add the concentrates to all of the oil, decarb, then add the lecithin and refrigerate overnight?


I never know
canyon
 
Canyon said:
Mr.Krip,
The 2ml of lecithin would match up to the 10_15% in the earlear part of Sue's post. My question is, would more cause any problems.
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Exactly! I don't believe more would cause problems but it does change the 20:1 ratio that we're aiming for.
 
Canyon said:
Mr.Krip,
The 2ml of lecithin would match up to the 10_15% in the earlear part of Sue's post. My question is, would more cause any problems.

Sue,
When I do the math on the 20 to 1 batch, I come up with 50mg of THC per gram of mix or about 10 caps.


500mg of THC is about the amount that would be in 2.5g of good buds. That is about what I go through in 24 hours. So a 50mg THC/gr caps should be a good strength to work with. I wish I had more material to work with. We should get some idea of the effects and speed from this small batch though. I can make more soon.


So can I add the concentrates to all of the oil, decarb, then add the lecithin and refrigerate overnight?

I never know
canyon
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I can't think of any reason why it couldn't be done this way Canyon.
 
Continuing rework on the BioBomb capsules

Thank you K. :hugs: For some reason I couldn't get my brain to get that lecithin ratio down to where it needed to be.

Part of what I'm attempting here is to be able to measure the lecithin with measuring spoons, because this stuff is a mess to work with and you won't be able to measure it any other way.

So, 1 tsp = 5ml, 1/2 tsp = 2.5 ml, 1/4 tsp = 1.25 ml, 1/8 tsp = 62.5 ml.

What I propose is we don't get anal about exact measurements, because we won't have the equipment at home that'll allow for tight control. In my calculations all lecithin measurements are meant to be done slightly on the lite side, just shy of the spoon measurement called for. This'll bring us closer to the ratios of carrier oil:CCO we want.

In the same vein we're going to round down on the figures for the cannabinoid load per capsule. That way, in my mind, if we're a little over on our lecithin measurements and end up with an extra capsule it doesn't significantly change our anticipated numbers.

Everybody comfortable with that?

The reworked numbers:

20:1 = 1 ml CCO + 18 ml carrier oil + 1/2 tsp (lite) lecithin

21 capsules with approx. 45 mg cannabinoids per capsule

10:1 = 1 ml CCO + 9 ml carrier oil + 1/4 tsp (lite) lecithin

11 capsules of approx. 80 mg cannabinoids per capsule.

5:1 = 1 ml CCO + 5 ml carrier oil + 1/8 (lite) tsp lecithin.

6 capsules having approx. 150 mg cannabinoids per capsule.

Ok, how's that look?
 
Gosh guys, I didn't even realize it's already 1:20 AM. I got so wrapped up in this I completely lost track of time. I'm signing off now and getting loaded. :laughtwo: I've had this Dark Devil Auto waiting for me to smoke it for the past hour. Lol!

And they call us lazy stoners. Hahaha!
 
SweetSue said:
Continuing rework on the BioBomb capsules

Thank you K. :hugs: For some reason I couldn't get my brain to get that lecithin ratio down to where it needed to be.

Part of what I'm attempting here is to be able to measure the lecithin with measuring spoons, because this stuff is a mess to work with and you won't be able to measure it any other way.

So, 1 tsp = 5ml, 1/2 tsp = 2.5 ml, 1/4 tsp = 1.25 ml, 1/8 tsp = 62.5 ml.

What I propose is we don't get anal about exact measurements, because we won't have the equipment at home that'll allow for tight control. In my calculations all lecithin measurements are meant to be done slightly on the lite side, just shy of the spoon measurement called for. This'll bring us closer to the ratios of carrier oil:CCO we want.

In the same vein we're going to round down on the figures for the cannabinoid load per capsule. That way, in my mind, if we're a little over on our lecithin measurements and end up with an extra capsule it doesn't significantly change our anticipated numbers.

Everybody comfortable with that?

The reworked numbers:

20:1 = 1 ml CCO + 18 ml carrier oil + 1/2 tsp (lite) lecithin

21 capsules with approx. 45 mg cannabinoids per capsule

10:1 = 1 ml CCO + 9 ml carrier oil + 1/4 tsp (lite) lecithin

11 capsules of approx. 80 mg cannabinoids per capsule.

5:1 = 1 ml CCO + 5 ml carrier oil + 1/8 (lite) tsp lecithin.

6 capsules having approx. 150 mg cannabinoids per capsule.

Ok, how's that look?
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FYI, when I measure out doses like this, I use a 10 or 12CC syringe. It lets me draw in and easily dispense exact measurements. I do the same to measure out nutes! :)
:Namaste:
 
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