SweetSue's Cannabis Oil Study Hall

"The current status of artisanal cannabis for the treatment of epilepsy in the United States" published in Jan 2017 by Drs Dustin Sulak, Russel Saneto, and Bonnie Goldstein.

You'll have to google it, since it's in PDF form. Project CBD has a link to it that would make the search easier. I haven't had breakfast yet, got lost in the search for decarbing CBD.

KR, where did you find the reference that led you to believe CBD decarb was a shorter time than THC? I find a mess of contradiction that even Project CBD couldn't settle. But I found this gem, so it was worth it. Adrian's article on THCa Dosing: Less is more is so worth the read. It leads you to the PDF, through Medical Marijuana for Seizures.

I have to get something to eat. :laughtwo:

Thanks so much for this find Sue.

I was having up to 30 seizures a day that no medication was helping and only gave me more medical issues that I didn't have before.

I was brought back to cannabis after lots of research and I haven't looked back since.

I now have only a couple of seizures a month now depending on fatigue, environmental factors, over stimulation etc.

Cannabis can also stop a seizure from occurring if I can get a dose into me in enough time.

If you don't mind Sue, I will repost this on the Strains for Brains thread.

Thanks again

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Thanks so much for this find Sue.

I was having up to 30 seizures a day that no medication was helping and only gave me more medical issues that I didn’t have before.

I was brought back to cannabis after lots of research and I haven’t looked back since.

I now have only a couple of seizures a month now depending on fatigue, environmental factors, over stimulation etc.

Cannabis can also stop a seizure from occurring if I can get a dose into me in enough time.

If you don’t mind Sue, I will repost this on the Strains for Brains thread.

Thanks again

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Anything I post is up for grabs ginganinja. Help yourself, and thanks for thinking of it. :hugs:

Would be so kind as to share your personal regimen that's doing such a good job of controlling your seizures here so I can include it in the study hall organization project? I'm sure it's somewhere else too, so please, share the link to that if you'd like.

All these years they knew of the value of cannabis to quell seizures........
 
Here is my reply to your latest note.
The only reason I wouldn't consider the suppositories now is that I'd have to make them and I'm not sure I could. I'd be very happy not to have the high.

Making the oil with MB2: The MB2 comes with a straining bag. There are a couple of videos about it on you tube. After you strain it through the bag you leave it to air evaporate overnight in a shallow dish with a small fan running. Then you scrape the oil together.

Do any of the prescriptions come with a warning to avoid grapefruit juice? -No

You made the suggestion that I begin juicing daily; but I'm hesitant to ingest the raw cannabis because of my problems with the oil. If the problem is due to the chlorophyll, won't I get sick?

I have a cannabis card (massachusetts). I can buy plant material, oil, kief, rosin, etc. In fact I have 2g of rosin in my freezer. I decarboxylated rosin and haven't had any reaction to it but have not increased the dose much because I couldn't figure out how to make it into a large enough dose. As far as I know though I don't react to it like I did the RSO. I guess we'd have to see.

I'm interested in these biobombs. Are these suppositories? If not, what exactly are they?

And I have 100 pounds to lose.

Gnite for now.

Eventually your ECS will become balanced enough that your appetite will change and those excess pounds will fall away. You don't want to lose them, because then the brain starts looking for ways to find them, and it always manages to do that with a couple more pounds added on.

It's one of those subtle language things tied to emotion that I was speaking about. At least I think it was in this room I was having that discussion. You want to let those pounds go, pure and simple. Appetite control and digestion are both regulated by ECS signalling.

Capsules make excellent suppositories. Much easier than molds, and more easily transported for dosing away from home. If you have rosin available I'd go for the biobombs and use them as suppositories. I agree, if the chlorophyll is the problem then juicing isn't your answer. However, after you've been using biobombs for a few months I'd give it another try. Chlorophyll is a valuable nutrient, and as your ECS becomes more efficient you'll find that things don't have the same effect on you.

As you'll see with the biobombs, dose effectiveness has to do with more than just cannabinoid count. Finding your personal dose with suppositories is different than when you dose through the gut. You already have a tolerance for THC, so I'd go straight to the 5:1 formulation, do 3-4 doses a day and stay there until you have some labs to review the efficacy of the dose. Start with two doses and add in one more dose every four days. If you feel out of sorts at all, slow it down by backing off one dose. Keeping doses uniformly-spaced keeps constant cannabinoid presence in the system.

Are you taking any steps for competitive inhibition? The liver enzymes that metabolize cannabinoids also metabolize a couple other compounds, so if you take two apignen capsules 30-45 minutes before a dose of cannabis oil you can overwhelm the enzyme action and potentially squeek more cannabinoids through without being metabolized. Eating mangos at the same time will help the body clear methyl groups from the receptors, opening up more opportunities for cannabinoid signalling. The first couple pages of CajunCelt's cancer regimen thread is rich in information on increasing bioavailability.

We don't recommend you make a concentrated oil in the MB2, despite their instructions. It's too easy to burn the oil, and it'd be crazy difficult to clean the machine afterwards, I'd think. Not only that, but I'm certain you'd end up with lots of chlorophyll in the resulting concentrate. A quick-wash method is the way to go for CCO. The MB2 shines as a way to make infused oils and tinctures, but we have much better ways to make a quality CCO.

Making an infused oil with dried and cured buds eliminates the concern over chlorophyll. Biobombs made from purchased concentrate will give you the biggest bang for your buck and be the easiest for your brain to manage, IMO.
 
I'm overwhelmed and confused which causes me to freeze.

You're not the first one to feel like that. :hugs: Take a breath and assure yourself that it's just new knowledge, in overdrive. In the beginning it can feel like too much. That's a good part of why we're here.

We determine your goals and your medical needs as pertains to cannabis. Then we seek out the best administration method that will most compliment your lifestyle and treatment needs, and help you find the dose and schedule that works best for your healing path. You present a couple challenges that we'll have to work through, but it's nothing this dedicated team can't handle.

You have more time than it feels like at the moment. Before you know it, you'll be spouting this stuff as capably as I do. :laughtwo: I'll be honest and admit that it intimidated the hell out of me when I first ran into Cajun and discovered cannabis could heal. The force of his personality was enough to keep me focused and believing in my ability to grasp what this all meant and find ways to translate it to others.

One step at a time. Cannabis can help the body find the relief it needs to heal, and there are so many ways it can accomplish this task. Somewhere in there is the best way for you. We'll find it, if you'll work with us.
 
Thank you Sue, please be careful around a gas stove. I have too much training in upper and lower explosion levels and flash points to not bring it up. Even with a small amount of solvent a flash over could burn up your meds before you could get things under control.

I wasted a lot of cannabis just going with trial and error. It is nice to have a few tips to pass along.

DD & Oil report please.

canyon

I tried a technique I liked. It was slow but it was pretty safe. I used Everclear in my MB2 on the low setting with bud I decarbed in my Nova first. I used a double boiler but you can use a heat proof bowl over a pot of boiling water. I brought the water to a boil on the stove, turned it off and put the pan of water on a hot pad away from the stove... and then put my bowl full of tincture over the just boiled water. I stirred this until it needed to be heated again. Off came the tincture bowl...away from the stove, and repeated the process of boiling the water, turning off the stove, and stirring. It worked well, but I did not ventilate enough while doing this and had to sit a spell until I could see straight again! :rofl: I'm getting dizzy just remembering it!:token: Not something I want to experience again. Trick is keeping your flame and your combustibles away from one another. As a former chef, I have seen some nasty burns. I try to avoid them at all cost!
 
Sue,

You mention biobombs and capsules. Are you saying I'm making biobomb capsules? Can you refer me to the instructions for making biobomb capsules?

“I'd go with the 5:1 formulation, do 3-4 doses a day and stay there until you have some labs to review the efficacy of the dose.”
If I'm using rosin it must be the 5. What is the 1? Coconut oil? Soy lecithin? I'm confused right here.
Regarding the rosin, I'll only be able to choose from one or two indica strains that are available each week.

What do you mean by “have some labs”?

Are you taking any steps for competitive inhibition?
I looked this up and the answer is no. I could add a supplement of some kind but I wouldn't depend on fresh mango in Massachusetts. Amazon has some chamomile flower extract in 220mg, 350mg and 500mg capsules. They also have lots of others things with apigenin/bioflavinoids. Or I could just keep it simple.

On a different topic. A friend was just diagnosed with ovarian cancer. It is in her lymph nodes. She is on marinol. She will soon be having a complete hysterectomy. She was vaping for MS. She is familiar with basic concepts of medical cannabis. She was going to try the rick simpson protocol. I'd like to direct her here. Where would you suggest she start on the forum? She will not be able to make anything herself. She has a massachusetts cannabis medical card. She has access to plant, oil, rosin, kief, shatter, etc.

Finally, I want to thank you and everyone else who is so open and forthcoming with all the information about cannabis on this site. I'm truly overwhelmed both emotionally and intellectually. I feel like I'm getting closer to starting my treatments and getting off my poisons.

It took me two hours to write this. Brain foggy.
 
I'm overwhelmed and confused which causes me to freeze.

Hi Keshazel I've read all your posts and offer the following suggestions:

1) Your current medicines are a complex mix of strong drugs with many side effects and a need for slow reduction of amount taken.

You need to have a carefully thought out and well managed plan to reduce these.
The order of what gets eliminated or reduced first second etc will matter.
Starting a high dose cannabis therapy program is very risky, especially when you have reacted badly.

2) Its not clear what you are reacting badly to. That has to be sorted out before you can proceed too far.
You are thinking that high doses are necessary to cannabis healing. That is not correct. There is more and more evidence that small amounts are more helpful, and that high doses can make things worse.

I would like to get you started you on a simple safe cannabis therapy program today, right now.

Step one take a teaspoon full of olive oil. Now, bedtime, first thing in the morning. By noon you will know of the olive oil causes you any internal issues.

If that works fine, melt 1/4 gm of your rosin in to say an ounce of warmed olive oil. Once it all blends together, its ready to use. Once cooled, take a tiny bit of the blended oil and place it under your tongue. Hold it there as long as you can, then swallow it.

Report back on the results please.
 
I found biobomb recipe. But it says 1 part CCO. How am I going to get CCO when I am using rosin?

Thank goodness we have Oldbear around. He's really good for slowing me down. :hugs: He offers sound advice. You'll need to know if you have any reaction to the carrier oil before you begin. You'll also need a plan to get off all those meds over time.

CCO is our designation for what most call RSO. At 420 Magazine we decided to call it what it is, concentrated cannabis oil, or CCO. Your rosin is CCO, just called another name because of the process used to extract the essential oils from the buds. They're both the ingredients of the plant's trichomes, reduced to pure forms.

My thoughts on your dosing schedule came from my sense that you already had a decent tolerance to THC, but Oldbear raises a valid point in that being too aggressive can often work against you by overwhelming the system. It's always the best advice to start at a low dose and slowly and thoughtfully increase, listening to your body at each step up.

What are your thoughts on taking this slowly and deliberately?
 
Ok....you guys are gonna laugh at this, but I was over at Corrine's Wake & Bake site reading over her infused coconut oil recipe and noticed that my personal brownie oil recipe is twice as strong as hers. :laughtwo:

My FHO is twice the strength of the original recipe by PsyCro. Lol! I like my oils potent, I guess. :battingeyelashes:
 
I have been hiking this site for too long without posting anything. Know that I have been encouraged by Sue, and others posting here. A sincere THANK YOU!

Expect that I will be one of many exploring cannabis as THE way to manage chronic pain with laws in Nevada changing in 2018. Twenty plus years of one doctor's office prescribing my opioid meds will end this month or may have already ended with the year's end. Thankfully I started exploring cannabis last March as a way to help control pain. Smiling as I type how very nervous I was to feel any high from the cannabis. I have learned to lean in to the feeling now and remain cautious regarding driving/working.

I experience very severe pain daily and sleep is limited. Starting on CBD, full plant, tincture gave me little relief. Slowly I added THC which does help with pain but most of the time I should be taking a larger dose. I explore increasing the dose when able but on working days I use as little as possible to function. It seems a tough balancing act and given the variables of the plant and my body. I am fascinated and seek to learn more always.

I have bought tinctures/RSO/edibles from dispensaries. I made capsules counting the drops and kept logs. Slowly I added THC from RSO oil diluted with coconut oil. Someone later made tinctures for me but each one was very different. Mixing dispensary RSO with coconut/olive oil I calc out mg. I am still a lightweight, fear of the plant has vanished. Lately I am trying some 2:1 CBD brownies a friend gave me. No idea the strain or details, but relief. Given some RSO from same strain I will cook up some brownies this week.... RSO mixed with olive oil and sunflower lecithin in refig.

My question is: How do use cannabis to discontinue my opioid medications and keep pain controlled? Dosing with THCA work for severe pain? I have been on huge doses in the past even having an intrathecal morphine pump for ten years. All my meds are prescribed and present dose is very small. Presently I cut my pills into quarters and use approx one pill (10mg oxycodone) per day. Pain is not very controlled but sufferable. I do have a pain doctor willing to prescribe so plan continued decrease of meds.

Pain is from failed back fusions x2; shoulder surgeries; TMJ surgeries; knee surgeries; RSD or CRPS.
 
Thank goodness we have Oldbear around. He's really good for slowing me down. :hugs: He offers sound advice. You'll need to know if you have any reaction to the carrier oil before you begin. You'll also need a plan to get off all those meds over time.

CCO is our designation for what most call RSO. At 420 Magazine we decided to call it what it is, concentrated cannabis oil, or CCO. Your rosin is CCO, just called another name because of the process used to extract the essential oils from the buds. They're both the ingredients of the plant's trichomes, reduced to pure forms.

My thoughts on your dosing schedule came from my sense that you already had a decent tolerance to THC, but Oldbear raises a valid point in that being too aggressive can often work against you by overwhelming the system. It's always the best advice to start at a low dose and slowly and thoughtfully increase, listening to your body at each step up.

What are your thoughts on taking this slowly and deliberately?

I'm going to follow Old Bear's suggestions. I like slow and deliberate. It's clearer for me. I don't mean to imply that your extensive help is not appreciated. It truly is. However, I'm very much relieved by this slowed down approach.

It's always been curious to me why I did so well on the first batch of CCO (2 grams) and then reacted to the second and subsequent batch. It was so disappointing. And now I've been on this search for almost a year.

Also, since the first batch, I can no longer tolerate pasta of any kind. I can still eat bread. I don't miss the pasta; but how curious.

Regards.
 
I'm going to follow Old Bear's suggestions. I like slow and deliberate. It's clearer for me. I don't mean to imply that your extensive help is not appreciated. It truly is. However, I'm very much relieved by this slowed down approach.

It's always been curious to me why I did so well on the first batch of CCO (2 grams) and then reacted to the second and subsequent batch. It was so disappointing. And now I've been on this search for almost a year.

Also, since the first batch, I can no longer tolerate pasta of any kind. I can still eat bread. I don't miss the pasta; but how curious.

Regards.

My extensive help will be here regardless. Lol! You've forced me to face the reality that it would benefit us to have a standard process for greeting new patients and caregivers, so we cover all the basics more efficiently and can move on to that deliberate process smoothly. As you've seen, there are so many options that it can quickly get to be too much. I'm still learning myself. We're evolving into a team, one that may never meet in person, so it presents unique communications challenges.

Slow and deliberate it is. That sense of relief is something you can allow yourself to get used to. :battingeyelashes: :Love:
 
It's always been curious to me why I did so well on the first batch of CCO (2 grams) and then reacted to the second and subsequent batch. It was so disappointing. And now I've been on this search for almost a year.

Also, since the first batch, I can no longer tolerate pasta of any kind. I can still eat bread. I don't miss the pasta; but how curious.

Regards.

That is curious. Anyone have any thoughts on what would cause that? Just me being curious. :laughtwo:

keshazel, it's possible the second batch of oil you got wasn't purged as well as the first batch, but the reaction could have happened for any number of reasons. One of the realities federal prohibition brings is the dirth of responsible labeling and lab testing. Unless you grew it and processed it yourself, or have absolute trust in your supplier you have no real idea what you're getting when you purchase.
 
Hi Keshazel I've read all your posts and offer the following suggestions:

1) Your current medicines are a complex mix of strong drugs with many side effects and a need for slow reduction of amount taken.

You need to have a carefully thought out and well managed plan to reduce these.
The order of what gets eliminated or reduced first second etc will matter.
Starting a high dose cannabis therapy program is very risky, especially when you have reacted badly.

2) Its not clear what you are reacting badly to. That has to be sorted out before you can proceed too far.
You are thinking that high doses are necessary to cannabis healing. That is not correct. There is more and more evidence that small amounts are more helpful, and that high doses can make things worse.

I would like to get you started you on a simple safe cannabis therapy program today, right now.

Step one take a teaspoon full of olive oil. Now, bedtime, first thing in the morning. By noon you will know of the olive oil causes you any internal issues.

If that works fine, melt 1/4 gm of your rosin in to say an ounce of warmed olive oil. Once it all blends together, its ready to use. Once cooled, take a tiny bit of the blended oil and place it under your tongue. Hold it there as long as you can, then swallow it.

Report back on the results please.

Old Bear, Thank you so much for taking the time to review my posts. Everyone is so welcoming here. I hope I'll have something to give back later down the road.
I took a teaspoon of olive oil at 9pm tonight. So I'll take one in the morning and at lunch and we'll see what happens.

To prepare to melt the rosin with the olive oil, where am I going to warm up an ounce of olive oil and a 1/4 gm of rosin? A sauce pot? Seems it will burn even on the lowest setting on an electric stove.

Thanks.
 
Old Bear, Thank you so much for taking the time to review my posts. Everyone is so welcoming here. I hope I'll have something to give back later down the road.
I took a teaspoon of olive oil at 9pm tonight. So I'll take one in the morning and at lunch and we'll see what happens.

To prepare to melt the rosin with the olive oil, where am I going to warm up an ounce of olive oil and a 1/4 gm of rosin? A sauce pot? Seems it will burn even on the lowest setting on an electric stove.

Thanks.

If you set a small bowl (I use custard cups myself) in a hot water bath it'll heat the oil enough to mix them together. If you need more heat a cup warmer may work.
 
My extensive help will be here regardless. Lol! You've forced me to face the reality that it would benefit us to have a standard process for greeting new patients and caregivers, so we cover all the basics more efficiently and can move on to that deliberate process smoothly. As you've seen, there are so many options that it can quickly get to be too much. I'm still learning myself. We're evolving into a team, one that may never meet in person, so it presents unique communications challenges.

Slow and deliberate it is. That sense of relief is something you can allow yourself to get used to. :battingeyelashes: :Love:

It's absolutely amazing that you all are here. I'm going to send my friend here. She has ovarian cancer. Just diagnosed. She'll shortly be having a hysterectomy.
 
It's absolutely amazing that you all are here. I'm going to send my friend here. She has ovarian cancer. Just diagnosed. She'll shortly be having a hysterectomy.

We'll do all we can to help her find relief too keshazel. This is our passion. :battingeyelashes:
 
I have to go over heaps of pages to catch up!

I'm jumping forward to say that I'm pretty sure it was G2HM who has a particular approach to restless/electric legs. I responded to it recently, maybe 2weeks ago? I'll see if I can find it in her journal.

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