SweetSue's Cannabis Oil Study Hall

Hi Sue,

What strains do you find work the best for your daughters anxiety? Have you tried Candida CD1 by any chance as I’m about to start them :)
 
SweetSue said:
Give that man a hug for me. :hugs:

One for you too, Mr McCain. :hugs: Jeff does try the soul. He makes it more difficult than need be to love him without condition. He's running scared, and the administration is looking for smoke screens. Jeff can stir it up with the best of them, but I think he's about to get an uncomfortable lesson in responsible governance. When you blatantly disregard the will of the people and you're talking about their right to choose a safe healing modality, you should anticipate some choppy waters ahead.

Lady G, when looking for a chemovar for a topical I want copious essential oil production and great yields. I recently grew a Thin Mint GSC that met both requirements in a spectacular way. It tested in other gardens in excess of 20% THC. I may make it a regular in my garden. Makes the tastiest brownies too, with just a hint of mint and an enhancement to the chocolate taste.

It was also one of the most beautiful plants I grew in 2017.
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Sounds yummy! Thanks! I will plan to add that to my lineup :thanks:
 
Chew said:
Hi Sue,

What strains do you find work the best for your daughters anxiety? Have you tried Candida CD1 by any chance as I’m about to start them :)
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Happy New Year my friend. :hugs:

I use CBD Critical Cure from Barney'sFarm. It's a 2:1 CBD:THC ratio and I've found it useful for both anxiety and depression, a rare find I hear. I'll be growing a Candida this year. Is this the same chemovar?

LadyGaea said:
Sounds yummy! Thanks! I will plan to add that to my lineup :thanks:
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You won't regret it Lady G. I'm mixing a brownie oil now, 6 grams of purple Devil's Carnival from other friend's gardens with 2 grams of Thin Mint GSC from my own. The brownies will be delicious!

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SweetSue said:
Happy New Year my friend. :hugs:

I use CBD Critical Cure from Barney'sFarm. It's a 2:1 CBD:THC ratio and I've found it useful for both anxiety and depression, a rare find I hear. I'll be growing a Candida this year. Is this the same chemovar?



You won't regret it Lady G. I'm mixing a brownie oil now, 6 grams of purple Devil's Carnival from other friend's gardens with 2 grams of Thin Mint GSC from my own. The brownies will be delicious!

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Happy new year Sue :Love:

I nearly got some of them a few months back. Wish I had now. MMG have got some nice CBD dominant strains. Until recently, I had only looked at their Candida. It’s said to average 15% CBD.

I’m harvesting CBD Critical Mass this weekend. I intend on doing a fresh harvest olive oil, providing the kids are out! Lol
 
Oldbear said:
Mad scientist alert lol

I'm going to go get an old fashioned coffee pot. I want to see what happens when hot oil drains through the crumbled bud in the strainer.
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It won't steep long enough to extract all the goodies from the weed. A lot of goodies will be left behind in the filter.
 
Hi AK nice to hear from you.

My fancy new extraction machine will be this: Today by Primula 9-Cup Percolator Coffee Pot | Walmart Canada

The crumbled bud will go in a steel strainer at the top. This thing will percolate for as long as I leave the heat on. So the big unknown is if hot oil running through it will extract the goodies.

Like you, I use everything up so if I can get a 70% extraction, that will be good enough.

Anyone know the melting point of trichomes? Off to google the interweb.....
 
Oldbear said:
Hi AK nice to hear from you.

My fancy new extraction machine will be this: Today by Primula 9-Cup Percolator Coffee Pot | Walmart Canada

The crumbled bud will go in a steel strainer at the top. This thing will percolate for as long as I leave the heat on. So the big unknown is if hot oil running through it will extract the goodies.

Like you, I use everything up so if I can get a 70% extraction, that will be good enough.

Anyone know the melting point of trichomes? Off to google the interweb.....
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I hear it'll make up to 9 cups of oil......nice! What are you going to use as your heat source.....just the electric stove? I'd also be interested in their melting point. I'm assuming no need for decarb in the percolator?
 
Hi Guy ... good questions. Its a plan under development so missing some answers.

I'll try this first on a gas stove. I'm hoping for more stable temps than an electric burner with on /off cycles will provide. I have a laser heat gun to monitor the temps.

I'll start with a small test run of say 1/2 cup of oil with no cannabis. Need to confirm if the oil will get hot enough and fluid enough to go up the central pipe into the strainers. I have no idea why water goes up hill in coffee makers haha.

I found the following temperature information this am:


?-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) Boiling point: 157C / 315 degree Fahrenheit ( Merck 200C @0.02). Properties: Euphoriant, Analgesic, Antiinflammatory, Antioxidant, Antiemetic

Cannabidiol (CBD) Boiling point: 160-180*C / 320-356 degree Fahrenheit Properties: Anxiolytic, Analgesic, Antipsychotic, Antiinflammatory, Antioxidant, Antispasmodic

Cannabinol (CBN) Boiling point: 185*C / 365 degree Fahrenheit Properties: Oxidation, breakdown, product, Sedative, Antibiotic

Cannabichromene (CBC) Boiling point: 220*C / 428 degree Fahrenheit Properties: Antiinflammatory, Antibiotic, Antifungal

Cannabigerol (CBG) Boiling point: MP52 Properties: Antiinflammatory, Antibiotic, Antifungal

?-8-tetrahydrocannabinol (?-8-THC) Boiling point: 175-178*C / 347-352.4 degree Fahrenheit Properties: Resembles ?-9-THC, Less psychoactive, More stable
Antiemetic

etrahydrocannabivarin (THCV) Boiling point: < 220*C / <428 degree Fahrenheit Properties: Analgesic, Euphoriant

Terpenoid essential oils, their boiling points, and properties

ß-myrcene Boiling point: 166-168*C / 330.8-334.4 degree Fahrenheit Properties: Analgesic. Antiinflammatory, Antibiotic, Antimutagenic

ß-caryophyllene Boiling point: 119*C / 246.2 degree Fahrenheit Properties: Antiinflammatory, Cytoprotective (gastric mucosa), Antimalarial

d-limonene Boiling point: 177*C / 350.6 degree Fahrenheit Properties: Cannabinoid agonist?, Immune potentiator, Antidepressant, Antimutagenic

linalool Boiling point: 198*C / 388.4 degree Fahrenheit Properties: Sedative, Antidepressant, Anxiolytic, Immune potentiator

pulegone Boiling point: 224*C / 435.2 degree Fahrenheit Properties: Memory booster?, AChE inhibitor, Sedative, Antipyretic

1,8-cineole (eucalyptol) Boiling point: 176*C / 348.8 degree Fahrenheit Properties: AChE inhibitor, Increases cerebral, blood flow, Stimulant, Antibiotic, Antiviral, Antiinflammatory, Antinociceptive

a-pinene Boiling point: 156*C / 312.8 degree Fahrenheit Properties: Antiinflammatory, Bronchodilator, Stimulant, Antibiotic, Antineoplastic, AChE inhibitor

a-terpineol Boiling point: 217-218*C / 422.6-424.4 degree Fahrenheit Properties: Sedative, Antibiotic, AChE inhibitor, Antioxidant, Antimalarial

terpineol-4-ol Boiling point: 209*C / 408.2 degree Fahrenheit Properties: AChE inhibitor. Antibiotic

p-cymene Boiling point: 177*C / 350.6 degree Fahrenheit Properties: Antibiotic, Anticandidal, AChE inhibitor

Flavonoid and phytosterol components, their boiling points, and properties

apigenin Boiling point: 178*C / 352.4 degree Fahrenheit Properties: Anxiolytic, Antiinflammatory, Estrogenic

quercetin Boiling point: 250*C / 482 degree Fahrenheit Properties: Antioxidant, Antimutagenic, Antiviral, Antineoplastic

cannflavin A Boiling point: 182*C / 359.6 degree Fahrenheit Properties: COX inhibitor, LO inhibitor

ß-sitosterol Boiling point: 134*C / 273.2 degree Fahrenheit Properties: Antiinflammatory, 5-a-reductase, inhibitor

Based on this, I'll do a first test run @ 305F to see what happens I don't want to vaporize any goodies. That said, maybe I do want to vaporize it if and only if it stays locked in the oil. A test at or over 320F is in my future.

The decarb will occur at the same time is my theory.

Now the time variable.....hmmm
 
This worries me: apigenin Boiling point: 178*C / 352.4 degree Fahrenheit Properties: Anxiolytic, Antiinflammatory, Estrogenic

With ovarian cancer (or other cancers potentially encouraged by estrogen) i wonder if it wise to take this. It was going to be part of my protocol; my supplies (ordered before Christmas) have just come this week - but now I am in two minds; do the benefits outweigh the dangers, or not?
 
Oldbear said:
Hi AK nice to hear from you.

My fancy new extraction machine will be this: Today by Primula 9-Cup Percolator Coffee Pot | Walmart Canada

The crumbled bud will go in a steel strainer at the top. This thing will percolate for as long as I leave the heat on. So the big unknown is if hot oil running through it will extract the goodies.

Like you, I use everything up so if I can get a 70% extraction, that will be good enough.

Anyone know the melting point of trichomes? Off to google the interweb.....
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Hi Old Bear,
I see a problem with this method. The reason percolators work is because some water at bottom boils and the bubbles push water up the tube. Oil won't work the same way to push up the tube. So the oil won't circulate up to the ground cannabis, and even if it did you would be boiling away the cannabinoids at that temperature.

A simple solution: just stir the ground cannabis into the oil in the percolator pot without the insert. Heat to about 220 degrees F, no higher than 245, about 2 hours for THC strains and 1 hr for CBD strains. You'll need to stir it occasionally. Then pour mix into strainer. Decarb and extraction will be done at same time. You could also do this with a regular pot and strainer.

Sorry to be a downer on the percolator plan. It would be nice to automate the process, but you'd need an internal pump to circulate oil.
 
I am seeking an alternate way of taking the Rick Simpson cure (equivalent of the 60 grams in 90 days) without ingesting or risking ingestion. This is because I had the reaction of diarrhea when I reached about 3 rice sized pieces per day. I tried a few times with the same results. Perhaps there is another accurate dosing method. I did previously post on the Canna Cream forum because I thought I could use a cream. On the recommendation of In The Shed, I'm posting my list of ailments here.

open angle glaucoma, bipolar, memory loss, confusion, stage 3 chronic kidney disease, arthritis, restless legs, sleep apnea, type 2 diabetes, cervical stenosis, some chronic itchiness. I'm 56 and have about 35-40% kidney function remaining.

Thanks in advance. keshazel
 
keshazel said:
I am seeking an alternate way of taking the Rick Simpson cure (equivalent of the 60 grams in 90 days) without ingesting or risking ingestion. This is because I had the reaction of diarrhea when I reached about 3 rice sized pieces per day. I tried a few times with the same results. Perhaps there is another accurate dosing method. I did previously post on the Canna Cream forum because I thought I could use a cream. On the recommendation of In The Shed, I'm posting my list of ailments here.

open angle glaucoma, bipolar, memory loss, confusion, stage 3 chronic kidney disease, arthritis, restless legs, sleep apnea, type 2 diabetes, cervical stenosis, some chronic itchiness. I'm 56 and have about 35-40% kidney function remaining.

Thanks in advance. keshazel
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Hello keshazel. :hugs: That's quite a list. I'm on my way to bed, but didn't want you to think you were going unnoticed. What is your goal with cannabinoid therapy?

I'm inclined to suggest suppositories, which, incidentally, work wonders with diarrhea, but any recommendations would need more input. A couple questions that come to mind:
* What's the cannabinoid profile of your oil?
* Purchased or homemade?
* Do you know what chemovars (strains) were used in the making of this oil?
* What medications are you taking now? Some pharmaceuticals can build up in the system with CBD. There aren't many contraindications with cannabis, but this is a big one, particularly if one of those meds is a blood thinner.

Somewhere recently someone mentioned a chemovar that was helping with restless leg. Hmmm.... I'll remember it.

The one gram a day has been found to be excessive except in the most extreme cases. Have you considered that the three rice-sized doses a day may be all your ECS needs to be in a positive healing mode? With the ECS it's best to come in more softly than the flood of cannabinoids delivered in such high doses. THC can excite the system to the point that it'll take receptors off line, something we try to avoid.

Ok... I'm off to bed. I'll be back in the morning. I hope some of this helped. I assure you, we'll keep looking and brainstorming until we find the solution that fits for you. It's there, or you wouldn't be here. :hugs:
 
Hi Kingston Rabbi thank you for your comments. I agree with you - the first deal breaker here is if the oil will bubble up the tube. Then will it strip the cannabinoids?

Ive been having great success cooking small batches in little mason jars. Ive been running 110 minutes @ 220F. The 1 hour for cbd strains is new information so thank you for that.

Boiling point of olive oil .... must find that :)


KingstonRabbi said:
Hi Old Bear,
I see a problem with this method. The reason percolators work is because some water at bottom boils and the bubbles push water up the tube. Oil won't work the same way to push up the tube. So the oil won't circulate up to the ground cannabis, and even if it did you would be boiling away the cannabinoids at that temperature.

A simple solution: just stir the ground cannabis into the oil in the percolator pot without the insert. Heat to about 220 degrees F, no higher than 245, about 2 hours for THC strains and 1 hr for CBD strains. You'll need to stir it occasionally. Then pour mix into strainer. Decarb and extraction will be done at same time. You could also do this with a regular pot and strainer.

Sorry to be a downer on the percolator plan. It would be nice to automate the process, but you'd need an internal pump to circulate oil.
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@Oldbear, I do a lot of cast iron restoration in which we heat oils past their smoke point. I'm betting your oil will smoke, and burn long before it boils. Please keep a fire extinguisher handy if you try this indoors. OH, and a damn good exhaust fan too. :Namaste:
 
Rifleman said:
@Oldbear, I do a lot of cast iron restoration in which we heat oils past their smoke point. I'm betting your oil will smoke, and burn long before it boils. Please keep a fire extinguisher handy if you try this indoors. OH, and a damn good exhaust fan too. :Namaste:
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Appreciate the warnings. I dont want to get anywhere near smoke points or boiling points of olive oil. Nor do I want to be pouring hot oil manually.

But the experiment may not be dead yet. I found an article where 1 50:50 mix of coconut oil and water was used.
 
"The current status of artisanal cannabis for the treatment of epilepsy in the United States" published in Jan 2017 by Drs Dustin Sulak, Russel Saneto, and Bonnie Goldstein.

You'll have to google it, since it's in PDF form. Project CBD has a link to it that would make the search easier. I haven't had breakfast yet, got lost in the search for decarbing CBD.

KR, where did you find the reference that led you to believe CBD decarb was a shorter time than THC? I find a mess of contradiction that even Project CBD couldn't settle. But I found this gem, so it was worth it. Adrian's article on THCa Dosing: Less is more is so worth the read. It leads you to the PDF, through Medical Marijuana for Seizures.

I have to get something to eat. :laughtwo:
 
Ok I have spent a very interesting hour reading about the evolution of coffee brewing devices. It an interesting story.

That has lead me to a thing called a moka pot also called a stove top expresso maker. I'll get a 1 cup version which is perfect for my small batches.

These work by using steam pressure to force the liquid through the coffee from the bottom. Using a mix of edible oil and water, it should be able to push warm oil through the bud bits. But it will only go through once, which is to AK's point that if wont be enough extract the goodies.

Hmmm maybe this isn't going to work. No harm done .... I can play with the French press.
 
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