alltatup
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AK, what do you mean "fresh-leaf/coconut oil infused capsules"? Please direct me to more information.
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AK, what do you mean "fresh-leaf/coconut oil infused capsules"? Please direct me to more information.
AKgramma
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That is just a description and the recipe is very flexible, if you are not keeping track of how much CBD/THC is in each dose. I take them as a preventative, to maintain a state of wellness and to lower the pain from osteoarthritis. And, no, I don't get high on the capsules.
An infusion does not have to take hours under heat, if you melt the Coconut oil, add your fresh leaf (and other trim) or dried, powdered, and cured, and let it steep for an hour. I don't get the high temps that others do, because I don't want to evaporate out any of the 100 or so compounds in the plant.
Once the mixture has steeped for an hour, I can strain out the larger bits of fresh leaves, or leave the powdered herb in the infusion. I let it slightly set up in the fridge for a few minutes. Then I stuff the thickened mixture into 00 gelatin capsules with a skewer, then cap and freeze them.
I tried storing them in the fridge for the long term and ended up with mold, so I keep them frozen, and take them directly. They dissolve quickly enough once swallowed.
This is nothing compared to what you folks are trying to do here, making powerful medicines for serious illness. My goal is simply pain relief and maintenance.
Hi SweetSue,
Beautiful plants you have there!
I thought of using fans and trim for hot tea. I don't know if you are a tea lady, but I love tea. In a Mrs Tea I make a 20 oz cup every day. I like the taste, but doesn't get me high (but my garden grow does).
AKgamma, how do you decarboxylate cannabis naturally? Just curious.
Beautiful plants you have there!
I thought of using fans and trim for hot tea. I don't know if you are a tea lady, but I love tea. In a Mrs Tea I make a 20 oz cup every day. I like the taste, but doesn't get me high (but my garden grow does).
AKgamma, how do you decarboxylate cannabis naturally? Just curious.
AKgramma
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Cannibus naturally decarbs over time, during the cure. Just dry and cure the trim/leaves the same way you cure buds. Naturally cured cannibus keeps all its compounds, altho some of the THCA breaks down into TCH. Min 1 month cure, but it changes in smell and effects over time, as it ages.
EXAMPLE: I have Bubbleicious buds I jarred this time last year, and some I jarred in May. The older batch has a heavy piney smell. The batch jarred in May smells fruity. Both batches are from clones from the same mother.
Using heat to decarb cooks off some of the turpenes and evaporates some of the other healing compounds, but it is, of course, a lot faster.
I also naturally brew the alcohol-cannibus mixtures at least a month, then process them according to whatever recipe I'm using for meds and edibles.
No matter how you use the cured cannibus: dried, powdered, or left leafy for tea, it will be a great addition to your cooking. You have to experiment how much herb to use in your cooking to find the level at which you don't get high, if you want to be upright and clear-headed during the day. Otherwise, you can make a big batch of potent chili or stew and freeze single-serving batches for a quick microwaved meal about a couple hours before bed.
AKgramma ,
Thanks for the explanation and quick response. Reps to you. Thanks
Thanks for the explanation and quick response. Reps to you. Thanks
alltatup
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AK, ok, so you get the pain-relief consuming it raw without getting high; that is what I would like. I wonder why it is that the analgesic effect kicks in, but the high doesn't. So I assume that there would be no mood-altering effects at all with your method, which I would like for anxiety and stress.
So it looks like I am going to have to use a little heat and choose the strains I want to cook up to get what I'm looking for: I will try it again with high-CBD strains on my next grow. What I may try on the weekend is just to simmer some cannatonic leaves (perhaps with a little Lithium OG Kush) to see what the effect is.
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I agree. Absolutely delicious! I started my morning yesterday with an omelet stuffed with sautéed trim from a flowering beauty. Finally a use for the popcorn.
That breakfast had me feeling mighty good for a number of hours. Between this breakfast choice and licking my fingers while straining fresh harvest oil I didn't need any other medicinal administration all day long, and I was up until 2 AM. Impressed I am.
Getting ready to try round two.
I'm going to have to try this soon. Most of the focus in research was into the euphoric effects of THC, which somehow got to be seen as a bad thing. I'll never understand how easy we were to dupe.
Even now, the common accepted understanding is that CBD is non-psychoactive, and nothing could be further from the truth. That sense of wellbeing you get with CBD oils is euphoria. we don't yet know what other cannabinoids are contributing to the euphoric effect, but for the most part the plant appears to have evolved with the ability to elevate the mood when ingested raw. Hi SweetSue,
Beautiful plants you have there!
I thought of using fans and trim for hot tea. I don't know if you are a tea lady, but I love tea. In a Mrs Tea I make a 20 oz cup every day. I like the taste, but doesn't get me high (but my garden grow does).
AKgamma, how do you decarboxylate cannabis naturally? Just curious.
If you blend a little coconut oil into that tea it might get you a little touch of euphoria. That may not be what you're after, but it's a thought. The cannabinoids need an oil to bond to. As a plain tea you're getting valuable nutritional input that would be enhanced with better cannabinoid absorption.
We're going to start developing gourmet lists of chemovars that compliment each other.
you've opened a whole new can of worms. Lol!
AKgramma
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And you have to adjust the amount of cooked leaves in your dishes. Start with less, rather than more, testing till you find that point at which you start feeling a bit dizzy, then back off.
Each batch you make will be different, as each plant is different. Even if you mix leaves and budlets from different plants, you still have to experiment on how much to add to your cooking.
If what you cooked makes you high, add a cup of cooked rice or stewed tomatoes to the dish to dilute the cannibus. It works for me!
alltatup
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We're going to start developing gourmet lists of chemovars that compliment each other.
I conscientiously chose to use as little heat as I could to wilt the leaves I ate. As you all saw in my original post, it was a blend of 8 strains!!! Which may very well account for how strong it was. The synergy was amazing.
I will try what AKgramma is doing: to cook up a batch of leaves with some olive oil, blend it after cooking it, fill capsules and freeze them. I do believe that the strongest effects will come from using the freshest ingredients--the living plant.
medmanmike
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AK, I understand cannabis naturally decarbs over time. Here's a question for you: any idea if frozen fresh leaf or bud will naturally decarb in the freezer? I'm sitting on bags of trim (in the freezer) some of it a year old and wondering if it could be classified as "fresh". And, would there be a need to Decarb it for oils, edibles, etc.? Thx.
medmanmike
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Sue, I made some pain cream a while back using the recipe you've highlighted here. I do not get any pain relief from it. This was my first attempt so I used some questionable leaf and trim I had. My thought was to warm it enough to return it to liquid, and add some CCO to increase its potency. My question, have you (anyone?) reworked the "whipped" cream like I'm suggesting? Not sure how the whipped cream will react to being reheated/melted down. Thx.
Rang3rDang3r
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Hey sweet sue was wondering if you could help a newbie here .... j know the answer is amongst the pages here but ...my question is do I add the LSL before or after decarbing in the EVOO ...maybe my question should be rather does it make a difference :-D ...I plan on doing a 36 hour infusion to make some caps ...got some cbd medi haze from my LP and it smokes terribly and very harsh :-(
Oldbear
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Hi...Ive been doing edible oil decarbs and extractions of LP provided flower for about a year. Ive done enough experiments that Ive earned my official LAbRat badge 
Based on my results, doing side by side comparisons, I can share that:
- having LSL in the oil up front doesn't hurt anything
- LSL doesn't help with the Decarb or the Extraction
- my recommendation would be to add the LSL after the oil has been strained / drained off from the plant material
- an essential step is to melt the LSL into the EVOO concentrate while its warm then put it in the fridge overnight or longer (24 hours)
- then warm it up (say to 180f) to put in to the capsules.
I have found that the infused Olive oil and liquid sunflower solution tastes pretty good so Ill squint a ml into my mouth, swish it all around and not swallow for as long as I can. The saliva glands eventually win then down the hatch.
I wish I knew the origin if that horrible taste. Hoping its not 'approved by Health Canada' pesticides that are not intended to be swallowed.
Based on my results, doing side by side comparisons, I can share that:
- having LSL in the oil up front doesn't hurt anything
- LSL doesn't help with the Decarb or the Extraction
- my recommendation would be to add the LSL after the oil has been strained / drained off from the plant material
- an essential step is to melt the LSL into the EVOO concentrate while its warm then put it in the fridge overnight or longer (24 hours)
- then warm it up (say to 180f) to put in to the capsules.
I have found that the infused Olive oil and liquid sunflower solution tastes pretty good so Ill squint a ml into my mouth, swish it all around and not swallow for as long as I can. The saliva glands eventually win then down the hatch.
I wish I knew the origin if that horrible taste. Hoping its not 'approved by Health Canada' pesticides that are not intended to be swallowed.
Rang3rDang3r
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Hey thanks alot OB ... that's Alot of good info !!! so I'm gonna start it tonight and hopefully in a couple days I'll have some potent product !!! as for the taste I don't know why... even when I mix it in with another strain it's terrible ... i bought it for the ratio 2.5 thc - 7.5 cbd .... but it's terrible hahahahHi...Ive been doing edible oil decarbs and extractions of LP provided flower for about a year. Ive done enough experiments that Ive earned my official LAbRat badge
Based on my results, doing side by side comparisons, I can share that:
- having LSL in the oil up front doesn't hurt anything
- LSL doesn't help with the Decarb or the Extraction
- my recommendation would be to add the LSL after the oil has been strained / drained off from the plant material
- an essential step is to melt the LSL into the EVOO concentrate while its warm then put it in the fridge overnight or longer (24 hours)
- then warm it up (say to 180f) to put in to the capsules.
I have found that the infused Olive oil and liquid sunflower solution tastes pretty good so Ill squint a ml into my mouth, swish it all around and not swallow for as long as I can. The saliva glands eventually win then down the hatch.
I wish I knew the origin if that horrible taste. Hoping its not 'approved by Health Canada' pesticides that are not intended to be swallowed.
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The higher CBD plants are yuk! They're working on that in the breeding world. I just heard rumblings of a new chemovar, that I've forgotten the name of, but it has fruity tones and taste. What a relief, eh?
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Yeah Mike, with the pain creams it's all about high THC, so you want quality plant material.
Yes, I have reworked the whipped cream, and it comes out the same. I suspect you'll be much happier with the new results. Stop back and update us please.
Oldbear
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I came across this today:
Quote Originally Posted by SweetSue
You'll get the best cannabinoid profile if you use the whole plant. Remove the necrotic fans and let everything else hang to dry for at least five days. It takes a bit longer for the plant to dry like this because air movement around the buds is restricted by the leaves, but it will dry. You want 15% moisture or less when you begin processing.
I strip the bark off the thicker stem and branches to keep the bulk out and make the ratio more bud than chunky stem, but the branches I keep in get chopped loosely. I don't stress much about it. Small but not powdery. You want mostly bud, so if you're weighing it out shoot for 80-90% bud and 10-20% everything else. Use all the sugar leaves. The trichomes on the sugar leaves are actually more potent than those on the buds in many cases, or at least that's what Doc keeps telling us, and he should know.
This explains a lot of things ie why munching on leaves is effective, why in the old days smoking the leaves was effective are but 2 examples.
SweetSue when you do fresh harvest, do you leave the leaves in the pot?
Quote Originally Posted by SweetSue
You'll get the best cannabinoid profile if you use the whole plant. Remove the necrotic fans and let everything else hang to dry for at least five days. It takes a bit longer for the plant to dry like this because air movement around the buds is restricted by the leaves, but it will dry. You want 15% moisture or less when you begin processing.
I strip the bark off the thicker stem and branches to keep the bulk out and make the ratio more bud than chunky stem, but the branches I keep in get chopped loosely. I don't stress much about it. Small but not powdery. You want mostly bud, so if you're weighing it out shoot for 80-90% bud and 10-20% everything else. Use all the sugar leaves. The trichomes on the sugar leaves are actually more potent than those on the buds in many cases, or at least that's what Doc keeps telling us, and he should know.
This explains a lot of things ie why munching on leaves is effective, why in the old days smoking the leaves was effective are but 2 examples.
SweetSue when you do fresh harvest, do you leave the leaves in the pot?
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I no longer use stems or branches, but yes, I use leaves. I take out the fans without noticeable trichomes and leave everything else in. If you look closely the sugar leaves have trichomes on the underside all the way out to the tip.
TricycleOfDoom
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I'm so grateful for all this sharing. I have 2 Dinamed CBD plants and was wondering about decarbing for best CBD results.
The test results show the percent of decarb, the black highlighted results. That flower was decarbed at 240 F for 1 hour in the oven. You can see that got about 90% of the cbd decarbed.
Oldbear
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Thanks for posting that lab test.
I was initially puzzled as to how the % by weight could be over 100%
Then the bulb turned on
% active THC is the % of actice thc to all thc types detected.
I was looking around their web site and cam across this test from a concentrate:
PSI Labs
Yikes
I was initially puzzled as to how the % by weight could be over 100%
Then the bulb turned on
% active THC is the % of actice thc to all thc types detected.
I was looking around their web site and cam across this test from a concentrate:
PSI Labs
Yikes