I was just talking to him today Sue I will drag us both back.
SweetSue's Cannabis Oil Study Hall
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Oldbear
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Sue and/or Canyon can you help me out here (again)?
I'm struggling with one aspect of these formulas. The cannabinoids per capsule seems to be based on 1000 mg of cannabinoids per cc/ml of CCO That would be what I was referring to earlier as Pure Cannabis Extract.
It reinforces my understanding that knowing the cannabinoid load in the capsules is very important perhaps essential.
My difficulty is in having no way to buy or make a CCO of that strength.
I'm wondering how to proceed..... any advice?
These cannabinoid levels, are they examples of what Canyon was doing or are they recommended load levels for treating something?
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In order to know the true cannabinoid count you need to have some lab readings, or make best guesses based on breeder claims. You also need to know the efficiency rate of your extraction method of choice. Once you have that information in hand you can calculate the mg of a chosen cannabinoid per ml of oil produced.
Extraction rate x percentage of cannabinoid content for the one you're tracking = extraction multiplier
(ex: 10% x 0.85 = 8.5% or 0.085)
Extraction multiplier x the total grams of plant material processed = total grams of that cannabinoid available with this method
Total grams calculated x 1000 = total mg of that cannabinoid available
Those calculated mg / total ml of oil used in the processing = total mg of the chosen cannabinoid in each ml of oil produced.
Won't it be nice when we have neighborhood testing centers with low prices? Either that or home testing meters that can give us a good reading. The tCheck is one such device, but only good for THC. Hopefully someone will come up with a usable one for both THC and CBD, at the very least.
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Oldbear, I console myself in knowing that with cannabis you have the luxury of knowing no one's going to get hurt. The big concerns with cannabinoid therapies are getting too low a dose, which will be ineffective, or too high a dose, which can cause the opposite effect you desire in a sensitive patient or possibly take receptors off line.
If you follow the policy of starting sub-therapeutically and titrating slowly and thoughtfully there should be no concern about the doses.
If you follow the policy of starting sub-therapeutically and titrating slowly and thoughtfully there should be no concern about the doses.
Oldbear,
A consistent amount of cannabinoids is going to be more important than the actual strength of the compound you are making. You are going to need to find your own comfort zone with dossing and it will change over time.
However, most of the extracts I have purchased have all been around 70% total cannabinoids, though I have seen some rough looking RSO goo that had tested around 37%. The infused oils I have made were probably in the 4 to 6% range. That should get you within a workable range.
Looking over some information from a dispensary in Albuquerque, their capsules range from 4.1 to 60.39mg of THC per capsule and they recommend one every 12 hours.
Most commercial eatables have a serving size of 10 to 15 mg. That is rather low, though my wife can barely handle that much.
Dispensary prices for wax, shatter, honey, etc. have stabilized around $70 per gram where I travel. Flowers will run $9 to 12 plus tax. Canadian prices should be comparable soon.
I never know
A consistent amount of cannabinoids is going to be more important than the actual strength of the compound you are making. You are going to need to find your own comfort zone with dossing and it will change over time.
However, most of the extracts I have purchased have all been around 70% total cannabinoids, though I have seen some rough looking RSO goo that had tested around 37%. The infused oils I have made were probably in the 4 to 6% range. That should get you within a workable range.
Looking over some information from a dispensary in Albuquerque, their capsules range from 4.1 to 60.39mg of THC per capsule and they recommend one every 12 hours.
Most commercial eatables have a serving size of 10 to 15 mg. That is rather low, though my wife can barely handle that much.
Dispensary prices for wax, shatter, honey, etc. have stabilized around $70 per gram where I travel. Flowers will run $9 to 12 plus tax. Canadian prices should be comparable soon.
I never know
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Not a bad idea, but too much technology. A glove and some coconut oil as a lubricant and you're right in. Deep insertion hits the blood vessels feeding directly to the liver. If you're using this method you're either treating liver cancer, in which case we hope you've used competitive inhibition practices, or you're looking to get really high for a long period of time.
Shallow insertion gets absorbed into the system without the pass through the liver on the way in.
You had the principles correct, just had the effects reversed.
Oldbear
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I'm delighted to report I have found a supply of Pure Cannabis Extract / CCO
well ok at least a picture of some.
Danolo would you like to assist in cleaning this bowl?
well ok at least a picture of some.
Danolo would you like to assist in cleaning this bowl?
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I'm delighted to report I have found a supply of Pure Cannabis Extract / CCO
well ok at least a picture of some.
Danolo would you like to assist in cleaning this bowl?
Ummmmm.....hello?
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Update on the daughter's results
We've been having conversations about how she's handling the cannabinoid therapy and changes she's noticed. She shared that despite the capsules and the way they relieved her anxiety she still had lots of tension at night and would worry about falling out of bed. Any woman who fights for mattress real estate will appreciate her concern.
We were giggling about how I'd wake up and her father'd left me a sliver of the bed. Anyway, she'd wake in the morning with sore muscles from the lactic acid overload. Moving was painful until she got things warmed up.
Well, recently she started having a bite of a Candy Cane brownie before slipping into bed and discovered she woke up completely relaxed and able to bound out of bed. Candy Cane is in the neighborhood of 15% THC I believe, and the brownies are equivalent to a half gram each with approx. 73 mg of THC apiece, so she's probably getting somewhere in the neighborhood of 15 - 20 mg in that little bite. She eats the rest of the brownie throughout the day. She's having a lot of fun doing things like having some brownie and going shopping. It's fun watching her explore life without the anxiety that's haunted her all this time.
And this plant is illegal why???????
We've been having conversations about how she's handling the cannabinoid therapy and changes she's noticed. She shared that despite the capsules and the way they relieved her anxiety she still had lots of tension at night and would worry about falling out of bed. Any woman who fights for mattress real estate will appreciate her concern.
We were giggling about how I'd wake up and her father'd left me a sliver of the bed. Anyway, she'd wake in the morning with sore muscles from the lactic acid overload. Moving was painful until she got things warmed up. Well, recently she started having a bite of a Candy Cane brownie before slipping into bed and discovered she woke up completely relaxed and able to bound out of bed. Candy Cane is in the neighborhood of 15% THC I believe, and the brownies are equivalent to a half gram each with approx. 73 mg of THC apiece, so she's probably getting somewhere in the neighborhood of 15 - 20 mg in that little bite. She eats the rest of the brownie throughout the day. She's having a lot of fun doing things like having some brownie and going shopping.
It's fun watching her explore life without the anxiety that's haunted her all this time. And this plant is illegal why???????
HizzyB
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I have a short term goal now
Make bio bombs!!
Make bio bombs!!
HizzyB
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Update on the daughter's results
We've been having conversations about how she's handling the cannabinoid therapy and changes she's noticed. She shared that despite the capsules and the way they relieved her anxiety she still had lots of tension at night and would worry about falling out of bed. Any woman who fights for mattress real estate will appreciate her concern.
Well, recently she started having a bite of a Candy Cane brownie before slipping into bed and discovered she woke up completely relaxed and able to bound out of bed. Candy Cane is in the neighborhood of 15% THC I believe, and the brownies are equivalent to a half gram each with approx. 73 mg of THC apiece, so she's probably getting somewhere in the neighborhood of 15 - 20 mg in that little bite. She eats the rest of the brownie throughout the day. She's having a lot of fun doing things like having some brownie and going shopping.
And this plant is illegal why???????
That's great she enjoying herself
I think it's illegal for two reasons
One being: lots of wealthy
People like Pacific Northwest paper mill barons wouldn't be in the position there in and oil tycoons and of course pharma but just maybe it's also a form of population control
Some like the paper barons consider people like us "feeder fish" and want us to be gone
They knew what they were doing in 1937
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Sadly, I think I'd have to agree with you Hizzy. Looking over Paul Ryan's idea of a health care bill one wonders if he'd be happiest if all these lazy, worthless poor people and women would just die off already.
It's beyond their control now. In 1937 we didn't have digital neighborhoods.
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Good to hear. I have a different view of dosing than what I've been seeing out there in the medical community. My plan is to get you on a regular scheduled dosing of BioBombs and keep a constant pressure at lower doses rather than a couple larger doses or one singular dose a day. BioBombs are the best way I've found to do that.
I'm not really interested in symptom control, I'm focused on encouraging natural healing with a continuious load of cannabinoids. This is still in its infancy, but we're seeing promising results. And it's so easy once you have the oil on hand. You're really good at that part Hizzy.
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Green Flower Media's 2017 Health Summit kicks off on the hour. Google if you're interested. I'm busy for the next eight or so hours.
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A good day at the Cannabis Health Summit. Another big day tomorrow starting at 12 noon, PST. Sometime next week they'll have the summit formatted sometime next week and I can start getting better notes.
Whe it was over I was wandering through the tabs I've had open on this iPad, trying to do some digital housekeeping, and came across one I was reading from Steep Hill Labs on trichomes. I found this interesting.
YELLOW TRICHOMES: A very common belief is that yellow colored trichomes are a sign that the cannabis flower is old and that the trichomes are decomposing into unwanted material, such as CBN. This is a common misconception that is not necessarily true.
Firstly, not all cannabinoids are colorless. One of the most brightly yellow-colored cannabinoids is CBD, a VERY valuable cannabinoid. For example, when observing Harlequin strains under a microscope (regardless of how immature or old the flowers are), the yellow coloration of high CBD containing trichomes is immediately apparent, the flowers having a very different look than those of a classic high THC-A strain. Trichome head size is also usually smaller, and many CBD trichomes are sessile, meaning the trichomes are stalkless, the heads forming on the surface of the petals of the flower.
Whe it was over I was wandering through the tabs I've had open on this iPad, trying to do some digital housekeeping, and came across one I was reading from Steep Hill Labs on trichomes. I found this interesting.
YELLOW TRICHOMES: A very common belief is that yellow colored trichomes are a sign that the cannabis flower is old and that the trichomes are decomposing into unwanted material, such as CBN. This is a common misconception that is not necessarily true.
Firstly, not all cannabinoids are colorless. One of the most brightly yellow-colored cannabinoids is CBD, a VERY valuable cannabinoid. For example, when observing Harlequin strains under a microscope (regardless of how immature or old the flowers are), the yellow coloration of high CBD containing trichomes is immediately apparent, the flowers having a very different look than those of a classic high THC-A strain. Trichome head size is also usually smaller, and many CBD trichomes are sessile, meaning the trichomes are stalkless, the heads forming on the surface of the petals of the flower.
HizzyB
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Good to hear. I have a different view of dosing than what I've been seeing out there in the medical community. My plan is to get you on a regular scheduled dosing of BioBombs and keep a constant pressure at lower doses rather than a couple larger doses or one singular dose a day. BioBombs are the best way I've found to do that.
I'm not really interested in symptom control, I'm focused on encouraging natural healing with a continuious load of cannabinoids. This is still in its infancy, but we're seeing promising results. And it's so easy once you have the oil on hand. You're really good at that part Hizzy.
Thanks a lot
Been busy all day trying to fix the car
Fun stuff
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Big Hug
I often think of a car as "slavery by vehicle"
I haven't owned one now for almost 20 years. One of the benefits of living in an urban area where everything is within walking distance. I also have generous friends who come to my rescue with their vehicles. I love unconditionally and enthuse about them and they drive me where I need to go. I don't take advantage. It's a good arrangement for all of us.
I have great respect for those who keep a vehicle in their lives. Some day I hope to rejoin that class and pay auto insurance again. Time to get back to Callanetics.
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One of the panelists today mentioned a patient who found relief from psoriasis at very high doses of CBD. I've been considering starting an Industrial Plant Auto next. I believe that strain is a 8:1 CBD:THC, and I'd been thinking it might be a good one for treating diabetes. I don't know why, but I've a sense that diabetes is going to require higher levels of CBD. If I can successfully get one to harvest we can experiment.
Interesting thought: take these fancy seeds we purchase and toss them out in the wild, and a couple generations down the road you're back to a balanced ratio. Nature strives for balance. In all likelihood, the vast majority of what we treat would respond positively to a balanced ratio plant.
Interesting thought: take these fancy seeds we purchase and toss them out in the wild, and a couple generations down the road you're back to a balanced ratio. Nature strives for balance. In all likelihood, the vast majority of what we treat would respond positively to a balanced ratio plant.