SweetSue's Cannabis Oil Study Hall

[SweetSue]

Demarek.. what I do at this point is rest my container of cold oil in a shallow dish with warm water... just enough to help it run...

I think that's the way to do that, but we can wait for Sue, the expert, just to be sure..

We are all learning here.

We're all lab rats here Danolo. None of us are experts.

Danolo nailed it. Place the dish with the cold oil mix into a warm water bath. After a few moments it warms up nicely and you can stir again and it'll draw up much more easily.

I'm excited for you. There's no looking back from here. Let the natural healing continue.

 

[SweetSue]

It has been a couple of years now Sue. I'll check my notes (this will take sometime)

We all appreciate the effort to dig it out. Thank you so much for being so dedicated to his dream.

 

[SweetSue]

Thanks Danolo,seems reasonable. I just hope i made the mix ratio correct. I went 1gr.cco-5gr. olive oil-10gr. lechithin.

The formulation we worked out was 1 part CCO, 4 parts carrier oil, 1 part lecithin.

However, the original formula from Cajun had us using an additional tablespoon of lecithin and 3 tablespoons of carrier oil in addition to the 1 part CCO and 5 parts Carrier oil in a 5:1 formulation, and that formulation was effective, so if you did indeed use that much lecithin I wouldn't hesitate to use them as is and anticipate healing to be the result.

 

[SweetSue]

I actually have the recipe in my notes from my first day of research on this site.It came from the base treatment regimen thread. 51 #762 I could have it all wrong though. Sometimes all this info has my head spinning.

We can all identify. It's a lot to take in, and most often there's a sense of urgency pushing you to try to get it faster. You're doing so well dmarek. In time it becomes more organized and you feel like you can breathe again. You wouldn't believe how much it intimidated me in the beginning.

 

[dmarek413]

We can all identify. It's a lot to take in, and most often there's a sense of urgency pushing you to try to get it faster. You're doing so well dmarek. In time it becomes more organized and you feel like you can breathe again. You wouldn't believe how much it intimidated me in the beginning.

Thank you Sue for the vote of confidence. I just feel so needy, and a little guilty for taking up your time. But, i feel it is important that I figure out this ratio. One last time.... I am currently dosing a total of 1.3 gr. a day. I need a ratio that will just fill 5 "00" capsules for five doses leaving me consuming the 1.3 gr in one days dosing. Once I figure that out i can multiply to make enough for a few days. This is the part that has my head spinning. I am assuming 1-4-1 is 1gr cco,4gr. carrier, 1 gr licithin if so, how many "00" caps would that make ? Anybody...Please ? If i can get a ratio to fill 5 "00"caps and maintain a total of 1.3 gr cco a day, i will have this figured out.Then I can multiply and make bigger batches.

 

[dmarek413]

We're all lab rats here Danolo. None of us are experts.

Danolo nailed it. Place the dish with the cold oil mix into a warm water bath. After a few moments it warms up nicely and you can stir again and it'll draw up much more easily.

I'm excited for you. There's no looking back from here. Let the natural healing continue.

Thanks for replying to this issue Sue, this is a big one for me. May just be my last hurdle before i have this process understood.After filling the caps, should they be kept in the fridge to avoid separation ?Thank you again !

 

[SweetSue]

Thanks for replying to this issue Sue, this is a big one for me. May just be my last hurdle before i have this process understood.After filling the caps, should they be kept in the fridge to avoid separation ?Thank you again !

I always keep mine in the refrigerator. Oils can go rancid if left out on the shelf after being heated. I realize we use them up faster than that, but this also cuts down on the capsules seeping small bits of oil and getting messy. I store all of my prepared oils in the fridge.

The process seems so intimidating when you begin. The pressures of needing to get it right often jumble things in the brain, which is why we keep this door open at all times. Once you've done this at least once the entire process becomes much more commonplace. You'll be pleasantly surprised at how natural it becomes.

 

[Danolo]

Thank you Sue for the vote of confidence. I just feel so needy, and a little guilty for taking up your time. But, i feel it is important that I figure out this ratio. One last time.... I am currently dosing a total of 1.3 gr. a day. I need a ratio that will just fill 5 "00" capsules for five doses leaving me consuming the 1.3 gr in one days dosing. Once I figure that out i can multiply to make enough for a few days. This is the part that has my head spinning. I am assuming 1-4-1 is 1gr cco,4gr. carrier, 1 gr licithin if so, how many "00" caps would that make ? Anybody...Please ? If i can get a ratio to fill 5 "00"caps and maintain a total of 1.3 gr cco a day, i will have this figured out.Then I can multiply and make bigger batches.

Ok, just remember this:

1 gram = 1 millilitre (ml) = 1 cubic centimeter (cc).

So, your latest formula: I am assuming 1-4-1 is 1gr cco,4gr. carrier, 1 gr licithin if so, how many "00" caps would that make ? has a total of 6 grams, or 6 cc's, or 6 ml's. Typically the 00 capsules hold 1 cc so you would get 6 caps. When I fill my caps I tend to not fill them right to top, to avoid spills, so, for example, my last batch was 18 cc's of mixed oil and I got 21 caps from it.

Hope that clears it up. Feel free to ask...I'm still learning here too.

 

[SweetSue]

Thank you Sue for the vote of confidence. I just feel so needy, and a little guilty for taking up your time. But, i feel it is important that I figure out this ratio. One last time.... I am currently dosing a total of 1.3 gr. a day. I need a ratio that will just fill 5 "00" capsules for five doses leaving me consuming the 1.3 gr in one days dosing. Once I figure that out i can multiply to make enough for a few days. This is the part that has my head spinning. I am assuming 1-4-1 is 1gr cco,4gr. carrier, 1 gr licithin if so, how many "00" caps would that make ? Anybody...Please ? If i can get a ratio to fill 5 "00"caps and maintain a total of 1.3 gr cco a day, i will have this figured out.Then I can multiply and make bigger batches.

We started out with the formula Cajun gave us, the one you were working from in your notes. Here in the Study Hall we determined a need to better control the dosages for higher cannabinoid loads, and this is what we came up with.

BioBomb Capsules - Continuing rework[/SIZE]

20:1 = 1 cc CCO + 16 cc carrier oil + 4 cc lecithin

1000 mg cannabinoids /21 capsules = 47 mg cannabinoids per capsule.

10:1 = 1 cc CCO + 8 cc carrier oil + 2 cc lecithin

1000 mg /11 capsules = 91 mg cannabinoids per capsule

5:1 = 1 cc CCO + 4 cc carrier oil + 1 cc lecithin

1000 mg/6 capsules = 167 mg cannabinoids per capsule.

This will probably be more helpful with the next batch you make.

The universe gave me the gift of time. When my husband died I was able to live comfortably on the pension he left me. This is what I'm doing with my retirement years. Please, save yourself any concern that you're taking up too much of my time. This is what I'm here for and what gets my juices going. Use me at every opportunity.

 

[dmarek413]

We started out with the formula Cajun gave us, the one you were working from in your notes. Here in the Study Hall we determined a need to better control the dosages for higher cannabinoid loads, and this is what we came up with.

BioBomb Capsules - Continuing rework[/SIZE]

20:1 = 1 cc CCO + 16 cc carrier oil + 4 cc lecithin

1000 mg cannabinoids /21 capsules = 47 mg cannabinoids per capsule.

10:1 = 1 cc CCO + 8 cc carrier oil + 2 cc lecithin

1000 mg /11 capsules = 91 mg cannabinoids per capsule

5:1 = 1 cc CCO + 4 cc carrier oil + 1 cc lecithin

1000 mg/6 capsules = 167 mg cannabinoids per capsule.

This will probably be more helpful with the next batch you make.

The universe gave me the gift of time. When my husband died I was able to live comfortably on the pension he left me. This is what I'm doing with my retirement years. Please, save yourself any concern that you're taking up too much of my time. This is what I'm here for and what gets my juices going. Use me at every opportunity.

You are amazing Sue,while i dont even know you, i feel you have a spot in my heart. I am pretty sure I got it now, I have a 1-4-1 batch in the fridge right now. The 1-5-10 batch filled twenty caps. Should I use four at one time to get my daily dose ?Seems like a lot of caps to insert anally but the way I see it if I want that full gram dose I have to take all twenty in one day.Or...maybe I should just slip one extra dose in each day with the 1-4-1 caps till gone. Any thoughts ?

 

[dmarek413]

Ok, just remember this:

1 gram = 1 millilitre (ml) = 1 cubic centimeter (cc).

So, your latest formula: I am assuming 1-4-1 is 1gr cco,4gr. carrier, 1 gr licithin if so, how many "00" caps would that make ? has a total of 6 grams, or 6 cc's, or 6 ml's. Typically the 00 capsules hold 1 cc so you would get 6 caps. When I fill my caps I tend to not fill them right to top, to avoid spills, so, for example, my last batch was 18 cc's of mixed oil and I got 21 caps from it.

Hope that clears it up. Feel free to ask...I'm still learning here too.

You may still be learning but you seem to be pretty smart. its awesome that you try to help others while you learn. I value your insight very much...thanks again !

 

[dmarek413]

This is my first post where I am not going to be asking questions for help. I have to say...it feels great to finally feel like I've got this down. Figuring out the dosing was like a weight being lifted off my shoulders. Now all that is left for me to do is to get my cco tested tomarrow to make sure I am using good enough oil.For anyone else just starting out that feels overwhelmed....relax,slow down,take a deep breath and read read read.There is an invaluable wealth of good info on this site. And some outstanding compassionate people here dedicating their time and knowledge to teach us newbies the ropes. I sincerely thank everyone involved and I wish everybody the very best of luck with what ever battle they are fighting !

 

[SweetSue]

This is my first post where I am not going to be asking questions for help. I have to say...it feels great to finally feel like I've got this down. Figuring out the dosing was like a weight being lifted off my shoulders. Now all that is left for me to do is to get my cco tested tomarrow to make sure I am using good enough oil.For anyone else just starting out that feels overwhelmed....relax,slow down,take a deep breath and read read read.There is an invaluable wealth of good info on this site. And some outstanding compassionate people here dedicating their time and knowledge to teach us newbies the ropes. I sincerely thank everyone involved and I wish everybody the very best of luck with what ever battle they are fighting !

We do this for love and it's satisfying when someone gets to the breathing easy part. With experience comes confidence.

 

[Oldbear]

After reading these last few posts, and thinking that some precision to medicinal dosing is required, here are some questions:

What is the CCO element in these formulas? and how do you know the level of cannabis compounds in it?

Why are the ratios and formulas reversed? Example 5:1 = 1 cc CCO + 4 cc carrier oil + 1 cc lecithin really means
(x units carrier oil + y units lecithin) + 1 unit of CCO

X+Y = 5 units in this specific example.

For clarity would it be easier/better to use 3 numbers? Ergo rather than 5:1 one would use 41 to describe a particular solution being recommended.

Isn't the result of adding and mixing these 3 things Concentrated Cannabis Oil (CCO)?

So again, what exactly is meant by 1 CCO? How does someone make that? Or buy that?

Many recipes start with a volume of fresh or dried buds and/or sugar leaves. Then use a volume of liquid(s) to extract the cannabinoids and terpines into a solution. Sometimes the extraction liquids are removed. Sometimes they are not. Often the concentration of the solution is changed by adding other liquids to it.

I think the process of reducing the concentration of a solution (Im using this word to mean something is dissolved in something else) is easy to understand. Different medical needs need different concentrations.

But where does that 1 CCO come from? I'm thinking its origin comes from solvent extraction methodologies where the solvent is then removed. That super sticky gooey yummy goodness that remains.

But when you dont use solvent extractions, or cant buy pure cannabis oil, how does someone go about replacing the 1 CCO element in these formulas?

The other major variable in effective healing is knowing with reasonable precision how much thc and cbd is in that 1 unit of CCO and therefore the final solution that goes into capsules or however its being taken. Terpine profiles add a level of complexity Im not able to deal with yet.

need to take a break .... office worker in front of a keyboard posture is killing me

edit to fix the smiley face >> 4 : 1 : 1

 

[Lady Dory]

You may still be learning but you seem to be pretty smart. its awesome that you try to help others while you learn. I value your insight very much...thanks again !

Danolo, Dmarek, and of course our SweetSue

I thank you all as well... just as overwhelmed! So much simply just basic info to learn, then add the growing techniques (harvest, drying, storage...) then recipes for capsules, bio bombs, edibles, So much out there "overwhelming" just seems inadequate.

I follow and learn!

"Follow the shells, they will always lead you home"
Dory

 

[SweetSue]

You are amazing Sue,while i dont even know you, i feel you have a spot in my heart. I am pretty sure I got it now, I have a 1-4-1 batch in the fridge right now. The 1-5-10 batch filled twenty caps. Should I use four at one time to get my daily dose ?Seems like a lot of caps to insert anally but the way I see it if I want that full gram dose I have to take all twenty in one day.Or...maybe I should just slip one extra dose in each day with the 1-4-1 caps till gone. Any thoughts ?

I would go with the extra dose until the 1-4-1 caps are gone. Don't overwhelm yourself. The fact of the matter is, we're discovering that even in cases of cancer the cannabinoid load necessary for healing is most often way below the 1 gram a day protocol set forth originally by Rick Simpson. In my opinion your ECS will be capable of keeping healing momentum in a positive direction as you press on, regardless of whether you get this entire dose in every single day.

Consistency in dosing schedules that keep constant pressure on the tumor cells may well be more important to the success of the therapy than the dosage levels, within reason, of course. Always keep in mind that in the end the ECS runs on your belief system. Choose to believe with every dose that this therapy is supporting natural healing. Let that profound belief in the healing potential of your ECS be the backbone of your cannabinoid therapy. Your inspiration to develop the protocol that works for you will come out of that expectation. This is a more important part of the therapy than we often credit it with.

 

[SweetSue]

Danolo, Dmarek, and of course our SweetSue

I thank you all as well... just as overwhelmed! So much simply just basic info to learn, then add the growing techniques (harvest, drying, storage...) then recipes for capsules, bio bombs, edibles, So much out there "overwhelming" just seems inadequate.

I follow and learn!

"Follow the shells, they will always lead you home"
Dory

That's why we're here Dory, to walk you through the process until you have the confidence to do it on your own. The same goes for growing. The forums are designed to look over your shoulder and help advise you to a successful harvest as you learn the gentle art of raising cannabis.

Every one of us felt overwhelmed at one time or another. We simply stuck with it until it got easier.

 

[SweetSue]

After reading these last few posts, and thinking that some precision to medicinal dosing is required, here are some questions:

What is the CCO element in these formulas? and how do you know the level of cannabis compounds in it?

Why are the ratios and formulas reversed? Example 5:1 = 1 cc CCO + 4 cc carrier oil + 1 cc lecithin really means
(x units carrier oil + y units lecithin) + 1 unit of CCO

X+Y = 5 units in this specific example.

For clarity would it be easier/better to use 3 numbers? Ergo rather than 5:1 one would use 41 to describe a particular solution being recommended.

Isn't the result of adding and mixing these 3 things Concentrated Cannabis Oil (CCO)?

So again, what exactly is meant by 1 CCO? How does someone make that? Or buy that?

Many recipes start with a volume of fresh or dried buds and/or sugar leaves. Then use a volume of liquid(s) to extract the cannabinoids and terpines into a solution. Sometimes the extraction liquids are removed. Sometimes they are not. Often the concentration of the solution is changed by adding other liquids to it.

I think the process of reducing the concentration of a solution (Im using this word to mean something is dissolved in something else) is easy to understand. Different medical needs need different concentrations.

But where does that 1 CCO come from? I'm thinking its origin comes from solvent extraction methodologies where the solvent is then removed. That super sticky gooey yummy goodness that remains.

But when you dont use solvent extractions, or cant buy pure cannabis oil, how does someone go about replacing the 1 CCO element in these formulas?

The other major variable in effective healing is knowing with reasonable precision how much thc and cbd is in that 1 unit of CCO and therefore the final solution that goes into capsules or however its being taken. Terpine profiles add a level of complexity Im not able to deal with yet.

need to take a break .... office worker in front of a keyboard posture is killing me

edit to fix the smiley face >> 4 : 1 : 1

The notation of 1 cc CCO is for the one gram of Concentrated Cannabis Oil. Stored in a syringe it fills 1cc. This formulation is for using CCO, and isn't applicable to, say, an infused oil, which has its own valuable place in the medicine bag. For instance, the fresh-harvest oil I make with PsyCro's method is reputed to be effective against cancer. Without CCO, you don't have BioBombs. The BioBombs are an effective way to increase bioavailibility and stretch resources.

We can estimate the number of cannabinoids, but we can't be exact without testing. But we can make educated guesses as to the overall cannabinoid load, and from there make some best-guesses as to the expected concentration of the major cannabinoids based on what we know was the expected performance of the strain.

Again, we can't be certain of any of it without lab testing, and the reality is that most of us don't have funds or access to have the testing we need done. Knowing this, we take comfort in the fact that this herbal approach to healing has never killed anyone and the worst side effect we anticipate is too much euphoria. We can't hurt anyone with cannabinoid therapy, and our chances are greatest that we can augment natural healing.

It's an imperfect system prohibition has thrust upon us. This is our best effort to right that social wrong.

 

[Danolo]

Yeah, what Sue said..

I buy CCO from a dispensary, but who knows what's in it? So far, its been fine... positive results for healing.

But I think the only way to know what you using is the make it yourself.

Here in Canada we have changes coming to the law, so we'll see.

 

[Oldbear]

This is good. My motivation here is to try and improve that imperfect system. I'm seeking an improvement in the precision of a medical dose for a serious condition. If we get that wrong people will die, especially if they forego traditional treatment protocols (with all their flaws).

Hopefully fellow Study Hall members will work with me and each other to improve that precision. My math and science brain, and a desire to help others with issues far more serious than mine, requires it.

To scope down the complexity may I suggest we deal only with Bio Bomb therapy? If we can improve that, it is applicable to all other forms of taking cannabis as a medicine.

The simpler elements of the baseline BioBomb therapy Beta version. (all this is not new, just a compilation of what has been posted on here many times.)

A quantity of gel caps size 000 (Is this the correct one - could be 00E or 00). Each one contains 1.3 ml. Empty Capsule Size Chart

A volume of edible oil. Coconut if treating a liver problem. Olive, grapeseed, hemp, and others all readily available.

A volume of liquid sunflower lecithin

Common mixtures of carrier oils(recommended ratio of 4:1 edible oil to sunflower lecithin) to CCO
20:1 = (16:4):1
10:1 = (8:2):1
5:1 = (4:2):1

Next comes the tricky part.....