SweetSue's Cannabis Oil Study Hall

Back with more questions. I made some of the bio bombs for my sister out of the Indica, a little messy, but probably not bad for my first try. She used all of them and I think it went pretty well. I bought a couple grams of CBD oil (THC-A 1.80%, THC 13.30%, CBD-A 15.30%,
CBD 51.30%) My question is should I mix The CBD and the Indica (THC 82.9%,CBD 0.16%) together, or keep them separate? She thinks she is ready for the 5:1 ratio. Thanks everyone. You are all amazing.
 
Hey Duarte, good for you! Making Bio bombs for a loved one!

I mix oils... I have a standard RSO type CCO that I mix with a high CBD oil... adding the olive oil and lecithin, and a day in the fridge, and its ready!

Mixing them provides an almost equally balanced level of THC to CBD.



My wife has been using 5:1 for the past few weeks now and has shown HUGE improvement in her Rheumatoid Arthritis.
 
SweetSue said:
One of the panelists today mentioned a patient who found relief from psoriasis at very high doses of CBD. I've been considering starting an Industrial Plant Auto next. I believe that strain is a 8:1 CBD:THC, and I'd been thinking it might be a good one for treating diabetes. I don't know why, but I've a sense that diabetes is going to require higher levels of CBD. If I can successfully get one to harvest we can experiment.

Interesting thought: take these fancy seeds we purchase and toss them out in the wild, and a couple generations down the road you're back to a balanced ratio. Nature strives for balance. In all likelihood, the vast majority of what we treat would respond positively to a balanced ratio plant.
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The Industrial Plant Auto is one hell of a good plant. I do have small difficulties in growing her but that's, it really is a must have if you want a high CBD strain. What I am planning on doing next whe I've harvested her i'm going to mix her up eith a high THC strain for RSO, I was thinking about Aurora B or White Widow but we'll see. That means that I will have a 20%CBD and 25%THC RSO... Sounds like something I would use after one hell of a deployment out in Afghanistan!
 
rikvasen said:
The Industrial Plant Auto is one hell of a good plant. I do have small difficulties in growing her but that's, it really is a must have if you want a high CBD strain. What I am planning on doing next whe I've harvested her i'm going to mix her up eith a high THC strain for RSO, I was thinking about Aurora B or White Widow but we'll see. That means that I will have a 20%CBD and 25%THC RSO... Sounds like something I would use after one hell of a deployment out in Afghanistan!
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Absolutely rik. You be careful out there. :hugs: :Love:
 
Duarte said:
Back with more questions. I made some of the bio bombs for my sister out of the Indica, a little messy, but probably not bad for my first try. She used all of them and I think it went pretty well. I bought a couple grams of CBD oil (THC-A 1.80%, THC 13.30%, CBD-A 15.30%,
CBD 51.30%) My question is should I mix The CBD and the Indica (THC 82.9%,CBD 0.16%) together, or keep them separate? She thinks she is ready for the 5:1 ratio. Thanks everyone. You are all amazing.
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What I do: keep the supply separate and in the fridge; Mix them in small quantities as I make different concentrations of solutions for different dose requirements. With what you have, you can make pretty much anything - many different anythings.
 
Kind of an extension of the fresh cannabis olive oil extraction and the dried cannabis edible oil extraction methods and and bio bombs:

What if I was to finely grind the plant leftovers with the edible oil and LSL (that is liquid sunflower lecithin - im a lazy typer :)) after the straining step, adding a little more edible oil (like hemp oil because there is nutrition to be had) to make it more liquid then put that in capsules?

I'm thinking that gives people a good supply to use all day to maintain the constant cannabis intake component of the treatment.

Now I'm thinking that you would swallow them in this case (but maybe not). Using not clear capsules, perhaps coloured, you could take them anywhere for stealth ongoing dosing - even disneyland those donkeys.

No loss of cannabinoids from the extraction process, and may even allow people to reduce the primary doses. Just like using butter extraction leftovers for baking.
 
SweetSue said:
A good day at the Cannabis Health Summit. Another big day tomorrow starting at 12 noon, PST. Sometime next week they'll have the summit formatted sometime next week and I can start getting better notes.

Whe it was over I was wandering through the tabs I've had open on this iPad, trying to do some digital housekeeping, and came across one I was reading from Steep Hill Labs on trichomes. I found this interesting.

YELLOW TRICHOMES: A very common belief is that yellow colored trichomes are a sign that the cannabis flower is old and that the trichomes are decomposing into unwanted material, such as CBN. This is a common misconception that is not necessarily true.
Firstly, not all cannabinoids are colorless. One of the most brightly yellow-colored cannabinoids is CBD, a VERY valuable cannabinoid. For example, when observing Harlequin strains under a microscope (regardless of how immature or old the flowers are), the yellow coloration of high CBD containing trichomes is immediately apparent, the flowers having a very different look than those of a classic high THC-A strain. Trichome head size is also usually smaller, and many CBD trichomes are sessile, meaning the trichomes are stalkless, the heads forming on the surface of the petals of the flower.
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Sue, I've seen this too! My last grow, I noticed (can't remember which strain, either Blueberry, Blue Dream, White Widow, Northern Lights or Super Silver Haze) these tiny "Candy Dots" like yellowish-golden bumps on the leaves. I don't ever recall noticing these before, so in my case it might be a strain thing, or I'm just not paying attention! LOL!

I think this is extremely important info. It gives us another "clue" as to what each strain is doing/going to do (produce). I also agree that the Terpenes play a much larger role than one thinks.

Still thinking that a "natural decarb" aka GrowGoddess' ND Sap, or allowing bud to age, retains more of the terpenes than any heating method. Just my 2¢.
 
medmanmike said:
Sue, I've seen this too! My last grow, I noticed (can't remember which strain, either Blueberry, Blue Dream, White Widow, Northern Lights or Super Silver Haze) these tiny "Candy Dots" like yellowish-golden bumps on the leaves. I don't ever recall noticing these before, so in my case it might be a strain thing, or I'm just not paying attention! LOL!

I think this is extremely important info. It gives us another "clue" as to what each strain is doing/going to do (produce). I also agree that the Terpenes play a much larger role than one thinks.

Still thinking that a "natural decarb" aka GrowGoddess' ND Sap, or allowing bud to age, retains more of the terpenes than any heating method. Just my 2¢.
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I'm pretty much thinking the same thing Mike, but the science suggests the decarb change occurs at a much slower rate than we think when left to cure naturally, so you may need more than a few months.

However, there's a possibility that left to decarb naturally you're getting a wider selection of cannabinoids. We still know so little about cannabis and the oils they produce. In watching the summit I was struck by just how important the terpenes are. Once again I'm in awe of the way we've been able to get healing without them, since making CCO the way we now do typically destroys all of the terpenes. It says a lot about the power of cannabis.
 
I have to make note of this once again. I'm taking capsules made with the fresh harvest oil of the CBD Critical Cure, a 2:1 CBD:THC ratio. Typically I take my morning capsule and follow it with a brownie that has the equivalent of a half gram of Carnival, a high THC sativa, so the effects of the capsule are lost in the mix.

But today, for the second time, I took the capsule at 9 AM and haven't yet taken the brownie dose. But I noticed I'm high. I mean I can feel enough euphoria that I'm realizing I'm overdosing my system. This is powerful oil, I believe due to the fact that it's processed fresh and must retain a fair amount of the terpenes. You also get the chlorophyll when you do this, and chlorophyll is similar to hemoglobin in plant form. I'm wondering what effect the chlorophyll might be contributing?

Regardless of what it is, this oil is potent enough to be useful for me as a regular med, leaving Carnicpval for special occassions, like lunch. :laughtwo: I'm going to try using just them for today and see how my body feels about it.

I watch these cannabis health summits and come away every time questioning my consumption levels. Lol!
 
Duarte said:
Back with more questions. I made some of the bio bombs for my sister out of the Indica, a little messy, but probably not bad for my first try. She used all of them and I think it went pretty well. I bought a couple grams of CBD oil (THC-A 1.80%, THC 13.30%, CBD-A 15.30%,
CBD 51.30%) My question is should I mix The CBD and the Indica (THC 82.9%,CBD 0.16%) together, or keep them separate? She thinks she is ready for the 5:1 ratio. Thanks everyone. You are all amazing.
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I'm glad to hear the protocol is progressing. Give her our best wishes.

As Danolo pointed out, mix the oils together. It's recommended that you mix the strains in advance for oil production, but perfectly acceptable to combine them as one for storage, if that's the way you intend to use them.
 
SweetSue said:
I'm pretty much thinking the same thing Mike, but the science suggests the decarb change occurs at a much slower rate than we think when left to cure naturally, so you may need more than a few months.

However, there's a possibility that left to decarb naturally you're getting a wider selection of cannabinoids. We still know so little about cannabis and the oils they produce. In watching the summit I was struck by just how important the terpenes are. Once again I'm in awe of the way we've been able to get healing without them, since making CCO the way we now do typically destroys all of the terpenes. It says a lot about the power of cannabis.
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Yes, lots yet to learn! I was looking on Steep Hill's site for the "Yellow Trichome" piece and couldn't find it. Please link. While there, I noted that many of the boiling point temps for Terpenes are very high 300º F +. I've always been under the impression that Terpenes "boil" off at very low temps - even temps in the 80s for example in the grow room. So, what am I missing here?

It's experiment time! Do you recall my comment about making bio-bombs with decarbed bud? Today I made some up. Here's what I did.

Filled five 00 caps with 0.1 g of decarbed bud - (240ºF for 90 min). I used ¼ oz of Blueberry, Blue Dream, Northern Lights and White Widow. Lab tested for an average of 20+% cannabinoids.

Melted and stirred 4cc of coconut oil and 1 cc of Lecithin. I was able to get approx. ¾ cc of the combined oils into each cap. About 20 drops each. They're in the refrigerator for 24 hours, then I'll warm to room temp and back in the refrigerator. I think I'll do this three times in the hope that the cooling and warming with help mix the material up and make the package more bio-degradable.

I tried to adhere to the 5:1 ratio (1 cco, 4 carrier, 1 lecithin) for the bio-bombs, but there's not quite enough room in the cap for a full 5cc of the oils. Would you have any suggestions for this moving forward? (Note: I learned not to pack the bud tight - leave it loose - allows for better circulation of the oils throughout the cap).

I'll let you know how the "bomb" works in a couple of days!
 
medmanmike said:
Yes, lots yet to learn! I was looking on Steep Hill's site for the "Yellow Trichome" piece and couldn't find it. Please link. While there, I noted that many of the boiling point temps for Terpenes are very high 300º F +. I've always been under the impression that Terpenes "boil" off at very low temps - even temps in the 80s for example in the grow room. So, what am I missing here?

It's experiment time! Do you recall my comment about making bio-bombs with decarbed bud? Today I made some up. Here's what I did.

Filled five 00 caps with 0.1 g of decarbed bud - (240ºF for 90 min). I used ¼ oz of Blueberry, Blue Dream, Northern Lights and White Widow. Lab tested for an average of 20+% cannabinoids.

Melted and stirred 4cc of coconut oil and 1 cc of Lecithin. I was able to get approx. ¾ cc of the combined oils into each cap. About 20 drops each. They're in the refrigerator for 24 hours, then I'll warm to room temp and back in the refrigerator. I think I'll do this three times in the hope that the cooling and warming with help mix the material up and make the package more bio-degradable.

I tried to adhere to the 5:1 ratio (1 cco, 4 carrier, 1 lecithin) for the bio-bombs, but there's not quite enough room in the cap for a full 5cc of the oils. Would you have any suggestions for this moving forward? (Note: I learned not to pack the bud tight - leave it loose - allows for better circulation of the oils throughout the cap).

I'll let you know how the "bomb" works in a couple of days!
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I'm assuming you meant "bioavailable" there Mike. :laughtwo: I think the amount of carrier oil and lecithin you got into each capsule will be sufficient to the cause.

Hey... I'm excited about this experiment. GG said she found the naturally decarbed buds surprisingly effective for euphoric purposes. Hopefully the addition of the carrier oil and lecithin improves bioavailability. The big difference here is obviously the concentration of cannabinoids, but we're learning that less is definately more with cannabinoid therapies anyway.

I look forward to your ongoing reports.
 
I have a new thread in the BioBombs. This is something that's too valuable to keep in these pages with everything else. I'd appreciate it if we could move the majority of the discussion on them to this new thread. You all know me, and you know I'm not going to be upset with ongoing conversation about them over here. I'd just like to centralize the work on it from here on out. We still have the work on coco butter suppositories to get behind us.

Haha! Unintended pun.


https://www.420magazine.com/community/threads/biobombs-cannabis-oil-kick.356122/
 
SweetSue said:
I'm pretty much thinking the same thing Mike, but the science suggests the decarb change occurs at a much slower rate than we think when left to cure naturally, so you may need more than a few months.

However, there's a possibility that left to decarb naturally you're getting a wider selection of cannabinoids. We still know so little about cannabis and the oils they produce. In watching the summit I was struck by just how important the terpenes are. Once again I'm in awe of the way we've been able to get healing without them, since making CCO the way we now do typically destroys all of the terpenes. It says a lot about the power of cannabis.
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Allowing whole plants to dry in a shed attic (no windows) was common in my day. Roots and all hung upside down and left to air dry. Just the colas with branches loosely packed in a brown paper bag worked well for smaller quantities. Then into mason jars.

More recently Ive been using a light decarb 210F at 30 minutes just to drop the water content a bit, I'm getting dry enough to crumble easily but still smelly outcomes, This is starting with partially dried purchased flowers. For fresh, when I get some, I'll start at an hour to see what happens.
 
Soooo just wanted to tell you guys that I had one hell of an infection in my teeth and now after 16 heavy surgeries at the dentist and just 2 more to go, it was tough... I did use Cannabis oil to ease the pain and that pretty much helped but tomorrow a big tooth needs to be removed and I uh... I'm not looking forward to it. Cannabis oil will do the trick for me! And soon I'll make my own.

I still have fine grinded buds that I need to convert into oil!
 
rikvasen said:
Soooo just wanted to tell you guys that I had one hell of an infection in my teeth and now after 16 heavy surgeries at the dentist and just 2 more to go, it was tough... I did use Cannabis oil to ease the pain and that pretty much helped but tomorrow a big tooth needs to be removed and I uh... I'm not looking forward to it. Cannabis oil will do the trick for me! And soon I'll make my own.

I still have fine grinded buds that I need to convert into oil!
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I had the last five teeth pulled all at once last year and used cannabis to get through the experience with almost no discomfort.

Good luck to you rik. Those challenged teeth speak to a serious endocannabinoid disfunction. Have you considered a maintenance dose of capsules made with infused oils? This would get a steady supply of cannabinoids into your system to assist the journey to homeostasis.
 
SweetSue said:
I had the last five teeth pulled all at once last year and used cannabis to get through the experience with almost no discomfort.

Good luck to you rik. Those challenged teeth speak to a serious endocannabinoid disfunction. Have you considered a maintenance dose of capsules made with infused oils? This would get a steady supply of cannabinoids into your system to assist the journey to homeostasis.
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I actually really don't like capsules... I do use cannabis oil that I bought for 20 euro's with 2.1% CBD so that's not a whole lot but it works. I prefer using normal RSO in my coffee! Like now I... actually put 12 drops in there? But well just to look how it works on my body on bigger amounts. But thank you Sue! I'm glad I still have you guys to ease the surgeries!
 
medmanmike said:
Yes, lots yet to learn! I was looking on Steep Hill's site for the "Yellow Trichome" piece and couldn't find it. Please link. While there, I noted that many of the boiling point temps for Terpenes are very high 300º F +. I've always been under the impression that Terpenes "boil" off at very low temps - even temps in the 80s for example in the grow room. So, what am I missing here?

It's experiment time! Do you recall my comment about making bio-bombs with decarbed bud? Today I made some up. Here's what I did.

Filled five 00 caps with 0.1 g of decarbed bud - (240ºF for 90 min). I used ¼ oz of Blueberry, Blue Dream, Northern Lights and White Widow. Lab tested for an average of 20+% cannabinoids.

Melted and stirred 4cc of coconut oil and 1 cc of Lecithin. I was able to get approx. ¾ cc of the combined oils into each cap. About 20 drops each. They're in the refrigerator for 24 hours, then I'll warm to room temp and back in the refrigerator. I think I'll do this three times in the hope that the cooling and warming with help mix the material up and make the package more bio-degradable.

I tried to adhere to the 5:1 ratio (1 cco, 4 carrier, 1 lecithin) for the bio-bombs, but there's not quite enough room in the cap for a full 5cc of the oils. Would you have any suggestions for this moving forward? (Note: I learned not to pack the bud tight - leave it loose - allows for better circulation of the oils throughout the cap).

I'll let you know how the "bomb" works in a couple of days!
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Good experiment. I wonder if mixing the decarbed bud with the oils prior to going in the capsule makes a difference? When I get a chance Ill try that. Ill make a few of each to test.
 
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