SweetSue's Cannabis Oil Study Hall

Oldbear said:
The thc dose and pain mitigation solution remains elusive for me. I have yet to find a dose that provides any significant pain relief. But will keep experimenting. Im hoping the low / no sugar plan helps.
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I noticed that my joint pain is a whole lot less if I severely limit my processed carbohydrates, like bread, sugar, etc. That, combined with whole-plant cannibus ingestion lowers the pain about 25 to 50% on a good day. And my normal pain meds are simply OTCs. So all three together help me at least be able to get around with a walker.
 
Hi SweetSue,
I'm new to this group420. I'm trying to learn as much as I can on using CBD right now for my Rheumatoid Arthritis. I wish that cannabis was legal here in TX but it's not yet. Only for epilepsy. I also suffer from chronic back pain. I have a lot of reading to do here. Thank you for everything you're doing. I really appreciate everybody contributing to this cause. I'm sorry for the loss of your husband.
 
Calhrt said:
Hi SweetSue,
I'm new to this group420. I'm trying to learn as much as I can on using CBD right now for my Rheumatoid Arthritis. I wish that cannabis was legal here in TX but it's not yet. Only for epilepsy. I also suffer from chronic back pain. I have a lot of reading to do here. Thank you for everything you're doing. I really appreciate everybody contributing to this cause. I'm sorry for the loss of your husband.
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:welcome: Calhrt :hugs: Thank you for the condolences. He's off somewhere in the cosmos thankful that I figured out how to get on with joyful living without spasms of grief. :battingeyelashes: I'm honored that this was where you chose to do your first post. Let me be the first to welcome you to the family you didn't realize you had. :laughtwo: Easiest community in the world to settle into.

A Texan eh? Ahhhh shucks....... I have such a soft spot for Texas. Went to university out in Abilene.

Lucky for you cannabis is easy to grow. Do you have anywhere to grow your own? Texas may be one of the last holdouts. Hard-headed individualists can be easy to mislead with the right media push. Eventually they won't be able to deny their own family member's cures and the state will go legal too. We're learning legality has its issues. :cheesygrinsmiley: Until then, and probably after then, you'd be producing your own high-quality meds and doing something about these health concerns.

Magnus has a great study hall on topicals where they're working on wonderful formulations for pain creams and other topicals. You might want to check them out.

Don't hesitate to ask any questions. Please don't feel you have to read all those pages to be able to walk into the current room. We have no problem with answering questions. You'll get answers, not attitude, unless the attitude is happy. :cheesygrinsmiley:

Chronic pain responds most favorably to a balanced ratio of CBD to THC. Get your ratio right and then increase until the THC is doing what you need it to do. How are you administering for pain management, if you don't mind sharing?
 
AKgramma said:
I noticed that my joint pain is a whole lot less if I severely limit my processed carbohydrates, like bread, sugar, etc. That, combined with whole-plant cannibus ingestion lowers the pain about 25 to 50% on a good day. And my normal pain meds are simply OTCs. So all three together help me at least be able to get around with a walker.
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Thanks so much for sharing this. I need to do that too.
 
Hi Sara thanks so much sharing this and for the suggestions on probiotics etc More websearching coming up. :)


SaraLinni said:
You know what?!!! I was having the SAME thoughts when I was taking the THC. Exactly the same. It was the holidays, so sugar was more prevalent than it had ever been, but I very much thought I noticed a correlation between extra (processed) sugar that day and feeling worse. But I wasn't on it long enough to really test that out by the time I noticed.

However, I've heard many times that eating sugar depletes magnesium, and magnesium soothes the feelings from THC.... The connections are there, I just don't see them clearly yet.

I'm doing well, but I haven't tried adding the THC in yet. I'm still taking my CBD oil, diluted. I've increased from a dilution of 1/10 to 1/5, 3 drops per day. I'm about to mix my next batch today, and I'm not ready to increase the concentration yet. I'm considering diluting more again and taking more often. I'm just not sure. Sue is encouraging me to do start capsules. I simply haven't done it yet, as my batch was lasting me a loooong time.

Here's the interesting thing - I'm feeling MAJOR depression. Different from negativity, and sadness, and whatever. Just an underlying (overreaching???) flatline. The first week was good, just mellow. 4 days ago, I had my first anxiety attack I've had since I started the CBD (because I took my old B12, which was much harsher, I guess). The CBD knocked it out when I took it, however, I noticed that when I got this anxiety, I got a spark back. LESS depressed and more motivated. It was an interesting revelation, and I didn't like its implications.

I've had anxiety so long that I think my brain doesn't know what to do without that distraction. I've always judged my mom because she doesn't function, has NO DESIRE to function, unless there is chaos and drama needing her attention. Well, yeah. Apparently, I don't either, even if I create internal chaos and drama rather than wait for it to happen on the outside.

My whole life has been driven by fear... of something. The fears aren't gone, but the physical manifestation of it is being soothed... so now I need to learn new normals. I want be driven by JOY and FUN and CURIOSITY, not just fear of needing to get something done or not being good enough or something. I guess it was learned behavior, and I have to find the alternative.


If it helps you OldBear - digestive enzymes, good probiotics, cinnamon and even turmeric supposedly help the body deal with the sugar you do eat. All are also good anti-inflammatories and potentially good for pain. The enzymes helped me with pain a lot when I could take enough of them in the past. I think the best turmeric is from The Synergy Company.

Ok, that's my super long update. Hahaha!!
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Oldbear said:
Hi Sara thanks so much sharing this and for the suggestions on probiotics etc More websearching coming up. :)
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Oldbear, with probiotics you want something with at least 50 billion cultures. I noticed what they sell in local stores nprarely gets over 30 billion.
 
SweetSue said:
Oldbear, with probiotics you want something with at least 50 billion cultures. I noticed what they sell in local stores nprarely gets over 30 billion.
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Ok thanks for info. Ummm I dont know much about this. Is it as simple as taking 2 capsules to get to 50B+
 
Oldbear said:
Ok thanks for info. Ummm I dont know much about this. Is it as simple as taking 2 capsules to get to 50B+
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Yes, it is that simple, but most are sold to be taken one a day, and pricing may entice you to look online.
 
Lab Rat Update:

A while back I posted that I was going to assess if the temperature of the tincture/oil made a difference to the bio availability and outcome of a dose.

Ive done enough trials with this to conclude it doesn't really make a difference - on me anyway.
 
Calhrt said:
Hi SweetSue,
I'm new to this group420. I'm trying to learn as much as I can on using CBD right now for my Rheumatoid Arthritis. I wish that cannabis was legal here in TX but it's not yet. Only for epilepsy. I also suffer from chronic back pain. I have a lot of reading to do here. Thank you for everything you're doing. I really appreciate everybody contributing to this cause. I'm sorry for the loss of your husband.
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Welcome and you are in the right place for help. Cannabis will definitely help.
 
So, a new problem needing your input and help.

In treating my wife's RA, she's been taking a CCO that we get from a local dispensary (so we don't really know what's in it) but its been providing us with good pain relief and doubtless doing work on inflammation as well.

Then I started looking at the BioBomb suggested by Sue.

But, we have a problem with oil and fats. My wife had her gall bladder removed many years ago, and so consequently its harder for her stomach to process oils and fats, without the added boost of bile provided by the gall bladder.

Oddly enough, I too had my gall bladder removed, just a year ago, so I'm still adjusting to a low fat diet.

We do have one useful supplement, an enzyme product, that among other things contains ox bile. And so if she's going to be eating something with a lot of oil, she will take one of these enzyme caps and that will usually avoid the stomach upset and pain.

So, I suspect that if we do go with a biobomb and its higher amounts of carrier oil, we'll have to use, and perhaps increase our use of, enzymes to deal with the oil.

Hmmmm, maybe we should consider suppositories.

Any experience or ideas on this?
 
Danolo said:
So, a new problem needing your input and help.

In treating my wife's RA, she's been taking a CCO that we get from a local dispensary (so we don't really know what's in it) but its been providing us with good pain relief and doubtless doing work on inflammation as well.

Then I started looking at the BioBomb suggested by Sue.

But, we have a problem with oil and fats. My wife had her gall bladder removed many years ago, and so consequently its harder for her stomach to process oils and fats, without the added boost of bile provided by the gall bladder.

Oddly enough, I too had my gall bladder removed, just a year ago, so I'm still adjusting to a low fat diet.

We do have one useful supplement, an enzyme product, that among other things contains ox bile. And so if she's going to be eating something with a lot of oil, she will take one of these enzyme caps and that will usually avoid the stomach upset and pain.

So, I suspect that if we do go with a biobomb and its higher amounts of carrier oil, we'll have to use, and perhaps increase our use of, enzymes to deal with the oil.

Hmmmm, maybe we should consider suppositories.

Any experience or ideas on this?
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I've had my gall bladder removed as well, and I've not had any issues with the carrier oils. You're talking mere milliliters in an individual dose, and it may be that the cannabinoids help with the processing of those fats. I don't know about that end of the digestive process.

I'd consider trying suppositories, if only to see if she can tolerate them. They're a way to dramatically increase the cannabinoid dose and offer more support for the ECS.
 
:Love: Here I am , stoned sane again !!! walleye and friends !:Love::circle-of-love::420:
 
Danolo said:
So, a new problem needing your input and help.

In treating my wife's RA, she's been taking a CCO that we get from a local dispensary (so we don't really know what's in it) but its been providing us with good pain relief and doubtless doing work on inflammation as well.

Then I started looking at the BioBomb suggested by Sue.

But, we have a problem with oil and fats. My wife had her gall bladder removed many years ago, and so consequently its harder for her stomach to process oils and fats, without the added boost of bile provided by the gall bladder.

Oddly enough, I too had my gall bladder removed, just a year ago, so I'm still adjusting to a low fat diet.

We do have one useful supplement, an enzyme product, that among other things contains ox bile. And so if she's going to be eating something with a lot of oil, she will take one of these enzyme caps and that will usually avoid the stomach upset and pain.

So, I suspect that if we do go with a biobomb and its higher amounts of carrier oil, we'll have to use, and perhaps increase our use of, enzymes to deal with the oil.

Hmmmm, maybe we should consider suppositories.

Any experience or ideas on this?
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Suppositories are a lot easier than they sound. I just use regular gel capsules. Better bioavailability than oral dosing and less psychoactive if that's a factor for you.

Also part of the reason for the Bio Bomb formula is to aid absorption, thus reducing/eliminating need for enzymes, so should not cause a problem taken orally especially at low doses. I have no experience with gall bladder issues, so I hope that's true for you.
 
Danolo said:
Sara, I know that THC affects different people in different ways, sometimes, but I really feel you are safe using it. I would suggest starting small and slowly work up as it feels good.

Cannabis, and the THC has changed my life all for the better... and same goes for my wife.

Both of us were raised in a drug culture during the 60's and 70's and so we do have some experience with mood altering substance, and without a doubt cannabis is the ONLY one of all the different drugs that we trust whole heartedly.

I hope you enjoy your THC.... welcome to mellow...:byebye:
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Thank you for the support and vote of confidence!!! :)

I was trying a 1:1 CBD:THC during December... and... anxiety and discomfort paralyzed me for a couple of weeks. It was pretty harsh. Apparently, I'm the lucky 1% of the population who reacts this way. Hurray me!!!! :cheertwo:

However, everyone tells me that more CBD will counteract those unpleasant effects so that I can start building my tolerance. I just have to get brave and do it.

I was diluting my 1:1 30x (and still feeling awful) and I'm currently diluting my CBD 5x. SOOOOO.... I'm trying to decide how to start with the 1:1 with my current CBD dilution. 50x dilution, maybe? Maybe more. Not sure. I'm tired of being miserable, so I want to start as safely as possible.

I have no doubts it will change my life. I'm counting on it, in fact :)
 
Oldbear said:
Lab Rat Update:

A while back I posted that I was going to assess if the temperature of the tincture/oil made a difference to the bio availability and outcome of a dose.

Ive done enough trials with this to conclude it doesn't really make a difference - on me anyway.
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Ol Bear, I remember your post and I beg to differ. THe cannabis infused olive oil I kept in the fridge seems a lot stronger than the one that sits out on the shelf. I have had only a second opinion on that but it make s sense as all the volatile goodies (terpenes etc) probably dissipate faster in warmth or daylight outside the fridge. Oil also gets rancid. I tasted some CBD oil from Europe that was down right belligerent . I suspect it was rancid. Back in the day I bought a dropper vial of acid . I was told that it was kept in the dark in ice water to keep it from turning into something less desirable. THe difference between an enjoyable experience and a bad trip.
 
Danolo said:
So, a new problem needing your input and help.

In treating my wife's RA, she's been taking a CCO that we get from a local dispensary (so we don't really know what's in it) but its been providing us with good pain relief and doubtless doing work on inflammation as well.

Then I started looking at the BioBomb suggested by Sue.

But, we have a problem with oil and fats. My wife had her gall bladder removed many years ago, and so consequently its harder for her stomach to process oils and fats, without the added boost of bile provided by the gall bladder.

Oddly enough, I too had my gall bladder removed, just a year ago, so I'm still adjusting to a low fat diet.

We do have one useful supplement, an enzyme product, that among other things contains ox bile. And so if she's going to be eating something with a lot of oil, she will take one of these enzyme caps and that will usually avoid the stomach upset and pain.

So, I suspect that if we do go with a biobomb and its higher amounts of carrier oil, we'll have to use, and perhaps increase our use of, enzymes to deal with the oil.

Hmmmm, maybe we should consider suppositories.

Any experience or ideas on this?
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While not the biobomb, my wife (who had her gall bladder removed 5 or 6 years ago) handles infused coconut oil with no problem. Maybe try making a small batch of coconut oil and make some brownies and see how that works. :circle-of-love::peace:
 
Thanks Supergroomer...I'm sure that she would tolerate an edible better (She hates brownies! How did I ever get hooked up with her???!!! :rofl: ), so, that is an option, certainly.

It doesn't always cause a problem, so we're currently experimenting with eating something with the capsule, a glass of milk, an enzyme, and so on. I'd also be willing to try different carrier oils...I don't know if any oil is easier to digest.

If I ever get the chance to grow, I will definitely be make some brownies.... :)
 
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