SweetSue's Cannabis Oil Study Hall

Hi Im wondering what strain was used? Any purple in the flowers or stems?

I found this today:

Here's the Adams patent from 1940 describing the method of CBD isolation.
"It has been found that from the extracts of hemp (Cannabis sativa or Cannabis indicia) a red viscous oil can be obtained, commonly known as red oil, from which a pure crystalline compound, cannabidiol, can be isolated (Adams, Hunt and Clark, J. A. C. S. 62, 196 (1940). Through a chemical study (J. A. C. S. 62, 196, 732, 735, 1770 (1940); see also J. A. C. S. August and September numbers, 1940), it has been shown to have the structural formula: CH3 OH C OH CH3 CH2 (Formula I)

With the exception of the position of the double 20 bond in the left hand cycle in the above formula the structure of cannabidiol is well established. Investigations show this left hand cycle to be a tetrahydro benzene ring.

Cannabidiol is a crystalline compound, M. P. 66-67° (cor.), and forms long white rods when crystallized from petroleum ether (B. P. 30-60° ). It has an [a]27D-125°, and is physiologically inactive so far as marihuana activity is concerned.

The principal object of the present invention is to provide an improved process for isolating cannabidiol from red oil obtained from hemp.

Other objects of the present invention will be apparent as the description proceeds.

The isolation of cannabidiol from red oil obtained from hemp is described in detail in J. A. C. S. 62, 196 (1940). This process which includes the treatment of purified red oil with 3,5-dinitrobenzoyl chloride and the formation of cannabidiol o, bis-3,5-dinitrobenzoate has been found of particular value for the isolation of the desired product. Ammonolysis of the benzoate, i. e. diester, yields cannabidiol in pure form.

The process as set forth in the J. A. C. S. 62, 55 196, 198, 199 (1940) serves to illustrate the present invention.

Cannabidiol bis-3,5-dinitrobenzoate.-A solution of about 50 grams of purified red oil, B. P. 175-195° C. (2 mm.), in 200 cc. of dry pyridine was poured rapidly with shaking and cooling on 85 grams of 3,5-dinitrobenzoyl chloride. The mixture was heated on a steam cone for two hours with occasional shaking and was then poured into ice and hydrochloric acid (200 cc. of concentrated hydrchloric acid, 500 cc. of ice). It was filtered or decanted and the insoluble material was washed several times with dilute hydrochloric acid. The residue was dissolved in 600 cc. of benzene and filtered. The insoluble material consisted mainly of 3,5-dinitrobenzoic acid.

The benzene solution was washed with dilute hydrochloric acid, then with aqueous sodium bicarbonate and finally with water. The benzene was evaporated and the residue was dissolved in 500 cc. of dry ether. This solution was treated with norit (20 grams), filtered, and then concentrated to 300 cc. On cooling in an ice-salt mixture with constant stirring, crystallization set Sin. After one hour, the product was filtered and washed with cold dry ether. Upon purification of the desired product by recrystallization from 800 cc. of a mixture of methanol and methyl acetate (2:1), it was obtained as white rods M. P. 106-107° C. (corr.).

Cannabidiol.-A solution of 50 grams of cannabidiol bis-3,5-dinitrobenzoate in 100 cc. of toluene was placed in the glass liner of a high pressure reaction vessel. The mixture was cooled by dry ice and about 100 cc. of liquid ammonia passed into it. The liner was then placed in the high pressure reaction vessel and the cover quickly fastened. The high pressure reaction vessel was allowed to stand for five hours at room temperature. At the end of that time the excess ammonia was allowed to escape and the product, which had set to a solid mass, was digested with 400 cc. of petroleum ether (B. P. 60-110° C.). The solid 3,5dinitrobenzamide was filtered and washed with two 50 cc. portions of petroleum ether. Filtrate and washings were combined and extracted six times with 150 cc. portions of boiling water to remove the last traces of 3,5-dinitrobenzamide. The petroleum ether was then evaporated and the i residue distilled, B. P. 187-190° C. (2 mm.) (bath temperature 220° C.). The resulting product, i.e. cannabidiol, was obtained as a pale yellow resin.[/b]

It will be obvious to those skilled in the art that the present invention is not limited to the details of the process outlined above. The scope of the present invention accordingly should be determined by the claims annexed hereto.

1. In a process for isolating cannabidiol from red oil obtained from hemp, the step which consists in treating the red oil with 3,5-dinitrobenzoyl chloride to form cannabidiol bis-3,5-dinitrobenzoate.

2. In a process for isolating cannabidiol from red oil obtained from hemp, the step which consists in isolating the cannabidiol from said oil as the dinitrobenzoate ester.

3. A process for isolating substantially pure cannabidiol from red oil obtained from hemp which comprises (a) treating hemp red oil with 3,5-dinitrobenzoyl chloride, (b) separating the cannabidiol bis-3,5-dinitrobenzoate formed in (a) from the red oil mixture, and (c) subjecting the benzoate ester of (b) to ammonolysis.

4. The product cannabidiol bis-3,5-dinitrobenzoate.

ROGER ADAMS.

Written August 16, 1940"

Ok folks, I've got one for ya.

Has anyone had any discussions about "Red" oil?





I happened upon it after having discussions with a fellow oil maker. This oil maker mentioned having a ring of red oil at the top of his purging pan while making a batch of oil. He thought it might have something to do with not having dried his buds enough before conducting the solvent extraction.

This made me curious, especially after having heard that something about red oil was mentioned in Shona Banda's Book, "Live Free or Die".

After a CCO extraction, I allowed the waste material to fully dry. I repeated the stripping process with cold water instead of alcohol. I only used about an ounce of material. I conducted the typical CCO process utilizing the rice cooker then over to the coffee mug warmer and ended up with the product pictured above.

My curiosity is this: Does this substance hold any medicinal properties/value?

I do not reside nearby any testing facilities, so did not have the opportunity to see what I had. The smell and taste were way too awful to try. Not really sure what it would be good for, if anything. I do not use chemical fertilizers or pesticides so have no worries regarding contamination.

Just thinking out loud here, inviting ideas.
 
I'd not considered this Oldbear. In essence, a collection of study halls? I think that's a decent idea. We should ask the mods if something like this is possible. When I started the hall I had no expectation it'd be this expansive. Magnus already started this process.

What does everyone else think?

When I was working, it was normal to break a large group into smaller ones to research a subject. Then they would report back to the big group. So like that - breakout groups. All linked and organized together of course.
 
A quick question for you CCO gurus..

I have 1 cc of a CCO that is apparently (7% THC / 27% CBD)

and I have another cc of CCO that is : (37% THC / 24% CBD)


I'm just working out the doses for some BioBombs for my wife. One of the factors we want is to have an equally balanced amount of THC vs CBD. So, I would like to mix these two oils together, which would give me a concentration of 22% THC and 25% CBD... pretty close to equal, huh?

Right now we use two caps for each oil, but now with making Bio Bombs and the added experience of rectal insertion, we'd like to get it into one capsule.

So, my question is: These two oils are from the same manufacturer, and we've been using them individually for a couple of weeks and they seem to do the job. Do you think there is any risk to mixing these two oils together, and then cutting them with the appropriate carrier oil and lecithin?
 
A quick question for you CCO gurus..

I have 1 cc of a CCO that is apparently (7% THC / 27% CBD)

and I have another cc of CCO that is : (37% THC / 24% CBD)


I'm just working out the doses for some BioBombs for my wife. One of the factors we want is to have an equally balanced amount of THC vs CBD. So, I would like to mix these two oils together, which would give me a concentration of 22% THC and 25% CBD... pretty close to equal, huh?

Right now we use two caps for each oil, but now with making Bio Bombs and the added experience of rectal insertion, we'd like to get it into one capsule.

So, my question is: These two oils are from the same manufacturer, and we've been using them individually for a couple of weeks and they seem to do the job. Do you think there is any risk to mixing these two oils together, and then cutting them with the appropriate carrier oil and lecithin?

I don't see a problem with your mixing the oils. In fact, I fully believe in mixing strains for the best possible combination.

However, I will mention, I prefer that patients use the highest THC possible when using as a medicine, especially for managing something such as cancer. When it comes to seizures, I have hears of great successes with high CBD.

I hope it all works out for her.
 
I'm impressed Danolo. :high-five: Quick thinking and quick action. I'm with Gigi on the higher THC, but this is a great jumping off point, and since she's primarily dealing with RA this may be exactly what she needs. The THC values should do well for the management of pain. That was my only concern.

You guys are beginning to make this make sense for me. Words cannot fully convey my appreciation. :hugs:
 
:laughtwo: I forgot why I stopped in. I've been having a niggling discomfort in the left knee joint, to the inside. I may have turned wrong and then aggravated it by running up and down the stairs right after that. Anyway, just a few minutes ago it started to really act up, to the point that walking was becoming uncomfortable. For someone who moves around as much as I do in a day this is unacceptable. I was relaxing into the idea of being pain-free and I suddenly remembered I had a pain cream on hand.

So I used it. Rubbed it in all around the knee joint and down the calves.

No pain or discomfort. Effortless walking and standing. Like no problem had ever existed. Almost unbelievable, if I wasn't experiencing it myself as I type these words. The effect was instantaneous, within seconds of application.

Just wanted to share that. This is the pain cream recipe supergroomer worked out. Thank you for that effort supergroomer. :hugs: :Love:
 
Hi Danolo Ive been mixing oils for experimenting with different doses. I usually combine them in a little dish in a water bath. Just enough to warm the oils and allow them to mix easier. Suggest you start with a small amount of your materials.

Ive been experimenting with different carrier oil combinations. Someone posted a recipe to start with If you have little droppers, try 5 parts (drops) coconut, 3 drops olive, 3 drops sunflower lecithin. Then add as many drops from each CCO you have to make the strength you want.

I like to make very tiny batches during this test phase, so I don't end up with something I cant use. That said, you can always add more cco or more carrier mix afterwards to change a test batch to something stronger or weaker.

No cannabis compound gets left behind. I even rinse out the mixing dish with say coffee then drink it up.

A quick question for you CCO gurus..

I have 1 cc of a CCO that is apparently (7% THC / 27% CBD)

and I have another cc of CCO that is : (37% THC / 24% CBD)


I'm just working out the doses for some BioBombs for my wife. One of the factors we want is to have an equally balanced amount of THC vs CBD. So, I would like to mix these two oils together, which would give me a concentration of 22% THC and 25% CBD... pretty close to equal, huh?

Right now we use two caps for each oil, but now with making Bio Bombs and the added experience of rectal insertion, we'd like to get it into one capsule.

So, my question is: These two oils are from the same manufacturer, and we've been using them individually for a couple of weeks and they seem to do the job. Do you think there is any risk to mixing these two oils together, and then cutting them with the appropriate carrier oil and lecithin?
 
Hi Danolo Ive been mixing oils for experimenting with different doses. I usually combine them in a little dish in a water bath. Just enough to warm the oils and allow them to mix easier. Suggest you start with a small amount of your materials.

Ive been experimenting with different carrier oil combinations. Someone posted a recipe to start with If you have little droppers, try 5 parts (drops) coconut, 3 drops olive, 3 drops sunflower lecithin. Then add as many drops from each sample you want to make the strength you want.

I like to make very tiny batches during this test phase, so I don't end up with something I cant use. That said, you can always add more cco or more carrier mix afterwards to change a test batch to something stronger or weaker.

No cannabis compound goes unused. I even rinse out the mixing dish with say coffee then drink it up.

Good morning Oldbear. :hugs: I thought I might be the only person so miserly about my cannabinoids. :laughtwo:

Excellent idea. I've mixed up a batch using as little as 0.2 CCO. The smaller batch lets you test without finding out the 90 capsules you made are too weak. :straightface:
 
Ok, so I made some Bio Bombs today.

From 2 cc's of CCO I got 46 X 1cc caps.

2 cc's CCO + 32 cc's of Olive Oil + 8 cc's of liquid Lecithin.

2000 mg cannabinoids/46 = 43.5 mg cannabinoids per cap.

Our plan is for her to take one a day at bed time for two days and pay attention to how her body reacts. If that works well, then we plan to move up to two a day.

As I was mixing this oil, and filling the caps, I was happily aware that this was good medicine.

So, caps done, and I now have to clean up... my little mixing bowl has a layer of oil left, so I take a piece of tortilla, and swab it out, and eat it.

That was about three hours ago, and I am still very baked. This is potent oil.:cco:

Now, with the added bio availability of using olive oil and lecithin, I'm expecting these caps to be quite strong.

Thanks for all your info and encouragement... now we'll see how these work... I'll let you know
 
Hi Danolo Ive been mixing oils for experimenting with different doses. I usually combine them in a little dish in a water bath. Just enough to warm the oils and allow them to mix easier. Suggest you start with a small amount of your materials.

Ive been experimenting with different carrier oil combinations. Someone posted a recipe to start with If you have little droppers, try 5 parts (drops) coconut, 3 drops olive, 3 drops sunflower lecithin. Then add as many drops from each CCO you have to make the strength you want.

I like to make very tiny batches during this test phase, so I don't end up with something I cant use. That said, you can always add more cco or more carrier mix afterwards to change a test batch to something stronger or weaker.

No cannabis compound gets left behind. I even rinse out the mixing dish with say coffee then drink it up.


Ha! Yes Bear, I found out about clean-up. :)

I'm interested in what you wrote about making tiny test batches... you make it sound easy, so, next time I get some CCO, I may just try some testing. I'll likely be mixing two CCO's, so I may be able to experiment with varying concentrations of THC or CBD.

My wife already teases me about being "the mad doctor". :passitleft:
 
Excellent work Danolo. We'll be waiting to hear how she reacts to them, but your reaction offers hope. It does have that mad scientist feel sometimes. Lol! Most often I feel like I'm channeling some medicine woman.
 
Yes you can make a sample pretty much any size you want. I think we need lab coats with a logo / crest .... say "Im a 420LabRat"

Ha! Yes Bear, I found out about clean-up. :)

I'm interested in what you wrote about making tiny test batches... you make it sound easy, so, next time I get some CCO, I may just try some testing. I'll likely be mixing two CCO's, so I may be able to experiment with varying concentrations of THC or CBD.

My wife already teases me about being "the mad doctor". :passitleft:
 
Momma said "take ALL the medecine" So no choice :)

Good morning Oldbear. :hugs: I thought I might be the only person so miserly about my cannabinoids. :laughtwo:

Excellent idea. I've mixed up a batch using as little as 0.2 CCO. The smaller batch lets you test without finding out the 90 capsules you made are too weak. :straightface:
 
My wife already teases me about being "the mad doctor". :passitleft:

Sometimes I hum to myself "Papa's in the kitchen mixin up the medicine," but it doesn't take long before one of my girls walks in and asks to help. They open the capsules and load the machine or set up the jars and filters. First time I remember being in awe that it's even possible to make my own and thinking how weird it is to have my girls around something that used to be taboo not long ago. It's amazing how fast this became business as usual.

note to those concerned: I don't let them handle the actual medicine, and they all know how powerful it is and not to touch, just like the other pills I take.
 
Sometimes I hum to myself "Papa's in the kitchen mixin up the medicine," but it doesn't take long before one of my girls walks in and asks to help. They open the capsules and load the machine or set up the jars and filters. First time I remember being in awe that it's even possible to make my own and thinking how weird it is to have my girls around something that used to be taboo not long ago. It's amazing how fast this became business as usual.

note to those concerned: I don't let them handle the actual medicine, and they all know how powerful it is and not to touch, just like the other pills I take.
Soon enough Cannabis will be out of the taboo!

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Wednesday night at 5 PM PST, 8 PM EST Green Flower Media is doing a live streaming class on terpenes, if anyone's interested.

A random thought:

Consider the difference in emotional momentum between

"I'm going to beat this disease and heal!"

and

"I'm going to allow the natural healing to occur."

Just something that's been tumbling around inside my head for a couple days. My brain's starting to shut out anything not associated to vacation plans. :laughtwo: Thank goodness I'm retired. Lol!
 
I have a couple of questions (all cannabis related but not necessarily oil-related -- I hope that's okay).


1. Is hashish oil a form of CCO? Could it be used interchangeably?


2. My boss' 8-year-old golden retriever has just been diagnosed with a rare form of bone marrow cancer. Are there any cannabis treatments for dogs that could potentially save her life?


3. What do people with MMJ licences do when they're travelling by plane? Do you take your medicine with you or do you have to resort to over the counter medication?


4. When talking measurements, what does "cc" mean, e.g. "2 cc's CCO + 32 cc's of Olive Oil + 8 cc's of liquid Lecithin"?

:thanks:
 
I have a couple of questions (all cannabis related but not necessarily oil-related -- I hope that's okay).


1. Is hashish oil a form of CCO? Could it be used interchangeably?


2. My boss' 8-year-old golden retriever has just been diagnosed with a rare form of bone marrow cancer. Are there any cannabis treatments for dogs that could potentially save her life?


3. What do people with MMJ licences do when they're travelling by plane? Do you take your medicine with you or do you have to resort to over the counter medication?


4. When talking measurements, what does "cc" mean, e.g. "2 cc's CCO + 32 cc's of Olive Oil + 8 cc's of liquid Lecithin"?

:thanks:

1. Part 1. Sort of. Part 2. Potentially, but it may require alcohol and filtering, or heat if you are looking for something edible.

2. CCO in the form of RSO (heat decarbed cannabis oil) has been known to work for animals just as much as people. The dosing should be tapered back considering the dog's weight. Start off with small amounts and work up, just like with people. You can even get away with offering the dog a roach daily. If nothing else, CCO or the daily roach, will help the dog be more comfortable.

3. It is not legal to travel across state or country boarders, sometimes even city, with cannabis, period. For me, I must obey the law.

4. Technically cc = cubic centimeter which is pretty much equivalent to a mL = milliliter, which is pretty much a gram.
 
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